Jamie Sea walks Lewis Howes through the five nervous-system layers — the "Wealth Container" — that decide how much money a person can actually let themselves receive.
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Big Idea
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Money blocks live in the nervous system rather than in strategy, and learning to receive — starting with something as small as accepting a compliment — is what actually unlocks financial abundance.
Who This Is For
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You've learned every marketing and sales tactic you can find but still feel blocked, exhausted, or afraid to be visible with your business.
You deflect compliments, downplay your achievements, or feel a flash of guilt when you outearn people close to you.
You're a woman running a coaching, content, or service business who wants a nervous-system-first lens instead of another tactical funnel.
You've had a taste of real financial success and it triggered anxiety, self-sabotage, or an urge to pull back from being seen.
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You want a step-by-step marketing or sales tutorial — this is entirely about internal and nervous-system work, not tactics.
You're looking for scientific validation of concepts like human design or nervous-system money blocks — none is offered here; it's presented as the speaker's own framework and belief system.
TL;DR
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Jamie Sea argues that the biggest barrier to making more money is not strategy but the ability to receive — most people's nervous systems were never trained to feel safe holding wealth, praise, or visibility, so the body creates procrastination, overthinking, or self-sabotage to keep things familiar. She frames this through the "Wealth Container," five layers (visibility, loyalty, responsibility, ease, identity) that cap financial growth, and shows how each shows up: deflecting compliments, fearing you'll outgrow your family, working yourself into burnout to prove you deserve success, or hiding your real self online. Her core prescription is internal: build safety and self-worth from within rather than from outcomes, learn your own natural energy and decision-making style instead of copying others' strategies, and treat pressure and judgment — not circumstances — as the real drivers of nervous-system dysregulation.
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Cold-open teaser clips introduce Jamie Sea and the episode's premise: the nervous system, not gender or personality, decides how much financial abundance someone can hold.
01:05 – 02:49
02 · Nervous System & Money
Jamie explains the subconscious mind and nervous system as one connected system: the subconscious stores identity and beliefs, and the nervous system enforces them by triggering fear whenever growth feels unfamiliar.
02:49 – 06:47
03 · The #1 Money Block
The single biggest block to making more money is named as the ability to receive, and Jamie uses how someone takes a compliment as a live diagnostic for their relationship with receiving.
06:47 – 09:13
04 · Earn More Without Burnout
Jamie and Lewis discuss why hustling from scarcity leads to burnout, and why safety and self-worth need to be generated internally rather than earned through outcomes.
09:13 – 14:02
05 · Finding Internal Safety
For people with real financial uncertainty, Jamie recommends starting with self-compassion and actively noticing existing abundance (clean water, a working fridge) to move the nervous system out of survival mode before taking action.
14:02 – 21:05
06 · The Wealth Container
Jamie introduces the Wealth Container framework: five nervous-system layers — visibility, loyalty, responsibility, ease, and identity — that cap financial growth, with most clients stuck in responsibility and loyalty.
21:05 – 28:54
07 · Hustle vs. Magnetic Mindset
Jamie contrasts two energetic states behind identical business actions — "this has to work" scarcity versus "I hope it works" abundance — and explains why the abundance state produces more resilience and less burnout.
28:54 – 32:07
08 · Overcoming Money Shame
Jamie traces money shame back to childhood exposure to parents' financial stress and inherited beliefs that wealthy people are bad, and shares her own father's continued disbelief that she can be both wealthy and generous.
32:07 – 37:06
09 · Human Design in Business
Jamie describes using subconscious work, nervous system work, and Human Design together with high-level clients, including a client whose lifelong colitis resolved after she started making decisions from her body instead of her head.
37:06 – 44:43
10 · Fear of Visibility
Visibility is named as the biggest block for the women Jamie coaches: fear of judgment creates a performative on-camera persona and causes people to hide even while posting regularly.
44:43 – 51:43
11 · Stop Strategy Hopping
Jamie explains that constantly switching strategies is a nervous-system search for temporary safety rather than proof a strategy failed, and describes staying "blinders up" and never comparing herself to other creators.
51:43 – 57:07
12 · Overcoming Indecision
Overwhelm from too many project ideas is reframed as a nervous-system response designed to keep someone in what's familiar; Jamie recommends choosing whatever feels most doable in the current season of life.
57:07 – 1:00:21
13 · Navigating Massive Success
Jamie recounts the moment she and her husband realized they needed a financial adviser, and how she used self-compassion to regulate through the discomfort of an unfamiliar new level of wealth.
1:00:21 – 1:08:13
14 · Reprogramming Your Inner Critic
Pressure and judgment are named as the two biggest drivers of nervous-system dysregulation; Jamie describes reframing the inner critic as a supportive inner voice to build resilience for bigger risks.
1:08:13 – 1:11:01
15 · Three Truths & Greatness
Jamie closes with her three truths to leave behind — presence, self-love, and listening — and defines greatness as fully becoming who you were always created to be.
Atomic Insights
Lines worth screenshotting.
The moment you have to sell, believe in yourself, or communicate with conviction, that is a receiving process more than it is a making-money process.
How someone receives a compliment is a fast diagnostic for their relationship with receiving money, praise, and visibility in general.
Symptoms like procrastination, hyper-hustle, and overthinking are often the nervous system pumping the brakes on growth the person consciously wants.
Money itself is neutral; it only amplifies whatever value system a person already has.
There are five nervous-system layers that cap financial growth: visibility, loyalty, responsibility, ease, and identity, and most people get stuck in just one or two of them.
The fear of outgrowing the people who raised you is one of the most common invisible ceilings on income.
People who carried heavy responsibility young often become hyperindependent adults who can't delegate, which caps income by capping capacity.
Two people can take identical business actions and get different results depending on whether the driving energy is scarcity ("this has to work") or abundance ("I hope it works, and I'll learn either way").
Neutrality about outcomes, succeeding or not without either meaning something about self-worth, is what produces resilience and the ability to try again.
Chronic burnout in business can come from working against a person's natural energy type rather than from the workload itself.
Strategy only runs a small fraction of a mature business's results; the rest comes from the internal state of the person running it.
Constantly switching strategies is often the nervous system chasing temporary safety in "just follow the rules," not proof the strategy itself failed.
Feeling overwhelmed by too many possible directions is often the nervous system keeping someone stuck in the familiar rather than a real lack of clarity.
Pressure and judgment, not actual circumstances, are the two biggest drivers of nervous-system dysregulation.
A sudden jump in income can trigger the same self-sabotage patterns as scarcity, including pulling back and avoiding visibility.
Takeaway
Money blocks live in the body, not the strategy
MONEY MINDSET
The block to earning more is rarely a missing tactic — it's a nervous system that hasn't yet learned how to feel safe receiving what it's chasing.
01Creating Financial Abundance
Financial ability is not fixed by gender or personality; it's shaped by how safe a person's nervous system feels holding more than it currently has.
The gap between wanting more money and actually having it is usually a receiving problem, not a strategy problem.
02Nervous System & Money
The subconscious mind and the nervous system aren't separate systems: the subconscious stores the story of what's 'possible,' and the nervous system enforces it by triggering fear whenever growth gets too close.
Symptoms like procrastination, overthinking, and hyper-hustle are often the body's way of pumping the brakes on unfamiliar growth, even growth the person consciously wants.
03The #1 Money Block
Learning tactics like ads, launches, or social media strategy solves only part of the equation; actually selling requires the ability to receive, which is a separate skill.
How someone responds to a simple compliment is a fast diagnostic for their relationship with receiving: deflecting, minimizing, or explaining it away signals discomfort with being seen.
People are conditioned early to be 'digestible' and not stand out, so learning to receive praise, money, or attention has to be relearned deliberately as an adult.
04Earn More Without Burnout
Hustling from scarcity and hustling from purpose can look identical from the outside but produce very different outcomes; one burns the person out, the other sustains them.
If the 'why' behind chasing money is only the money itself, the drive will always feel fleeting because self-worth gets outsourced to an external result.
Safety has to be generated internally first ('I am enough') rather than earned externally through achievement, or the goalpost will keep moving.
05Finding Internal Safety
When someone has no financial certainty, the first move is compassion for the current situation, not pressure to fix it immediately.
Actively noticing what abundance already exists shifts the nervous system out of survival mode, which is a prerequisite for clear decision-making.
The brain cannot generate real strategy or momentum while operating from fight-or-flight; regulation has to come before action.
06The Wealth Container
There are five nervous-system layers that cap how much financial abundance someone can hold: visibility, loyalty, responsibility, ease, and identity.
People who took on heavy responsibility young often become hyperindependent adults who can't delegate, which caps their income by capping their capacity.
The fear of outgrowing family or community is a common invisible ceiling; succeeding can unconsciously feel like betrayal of people who haven't grown the same way.
07Hustle vs. Magnetic Mindset
Two people can take identical actions and get different results depending on whether the underlying energy is 'this has to work' (scarcity) or 'I hope it works' (abundance).
Operating from 'it has to work' usually means outsourcing trust to outside strategies and other people's opinions instead of building trust in one's own judgment.
Neutrality about outcomes, without either meaning something about self-worth, is what produces resilience and the ability to try again.
08Overcoming Money Shame
Shame around money often traces back to childhood exposure to a parent's stress about bills or debt, which gets internalized as a belief system about money.
Believing wealthy people are inherently bad or greedy is a common inherited belief that has to be consciously separated from one's own values.
Money itself is neutral; it only amplifies whatever value system the person already has.
09Human Design in Business
Chronic exhaustion in business can come from working against a person's natural energy type rather than the workload itself.
A useful decision filter for anyone is 'is this a full-body yes, or not'; treating maybe as a no removes a lot of wasted energy.
Strategy runs a small fraction of the results in a mature business; most of the outcome comes from the person's internal state.
10Fear of Visibility
Performing for the camera instead of being natural on it usually signals unresolved fear of judgment, not a lack of charisma or ideas.
Hiding in plain sight is common; someone can post consistently and still withhold their real opinions or personality out of fear of pushback.
When something authentic triggers a strong reaction in others, that reaction is a projection of the other person's own beliefs, not a verdict on what was said.
11Stop Strategy Hopping
Constantly switching strategies is often the nervous system chasing the temporary safety of 'just follow the rules,' not proof the strategy itself failed.
Comparing methods against other creators or businesses creates noise that makes it harder to find what's naturally sustainable for a specific person.
A tactic 'working' for someone else is usually because it's genuinely aligned with how they operate, not a universal rule everyone should copy.
12Overcoming Indecision
Feeling overwhelmed by too many possible directions is often the nervous system keeping someone stuck in the familiar, not a real lack of clarity.
A useful filter for choosing what to build next is picking whatever feels most doable in the current season of life and energy capacity.
Decision-making styles differ by person, and knowing whether decisions land through voice, gut, or quiet intuition removes a lot of self-judgment about being 'indecisive.'
13Navigating Massive Success
A sudden jump in income can trigger the same self-sabotage patterns as scarcity, including pulling back and avoiding visibility.
Talking to oneself the way a good parent would helps regulate the nervous system through unfamiliar levels of success.
Not needing to be an expert in everything, and instead bringing in support for what's unfamiliar, removes a false requirement that blocks a lot of growth.
14Reprogramming Your Inner Critic
Pressure ('you should be further along') and judgment ('you should know better') are the two main drivers of nervous-system dysregulation, more than the actual circumstances.
How someone talks to themselves after a mistake shapes which stress response shows up next: over-proving, playing small, busywork, or a total stall.
Becoming a safe place to return to after a setback, through self-compassion rather than self-criticism, is what allows someone to take bigger risks going forward.
15Three Truths & Greatness
Presence, self-love, and listening were named as the three most important things to leave behind, not a business tactic or accomplishment.
Greatness was defined as becoming fully who someone already was created to be, without the baggage of inherited stories about who they're supposed to be.
Glossary
Terms worth knowing.
Wealth Container
Jamie Sea's term for the nervous-system and subconscious capacity that determines how much financial abundance a person can hold, expand into, and receive without self-sabotaging.
Human Design
A personality/decision-making system referenced in the conversation that assigns people a type (such as Generator or Projector) and an "authority" describing how they're meant to make decisions.
Generator (Human Design)
In Human Design, a type described as meant to act only on a full-body "yes," typically sensed through the gut, rather than deciding from the head.
Projector (Human Design)
In Human Design, a type described as naturally seeing systems, patterns, and problems in others rather than generating constant output themselves.
Sacral authority
In Human Design, a decision-making style described as a fast, gut-level yes-or-no response to a choice.
Splenic authority
In Human Design, a decision-making style described as a quiet, instant intuitive knowing that doesn't need to be logically justified.
Nervous system dysregulation
A state in which the body's stress response (fight, flight, freeze, or fawn) is activated, making clear thinking, decision-making, or feeling safe difficult.
“The moment you actually have to sell or believe in yourself or communicate or be able to actually have conviction in what you have to offer, that is actually a receiving process more than it is a making money process.”
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03:50
“Do you say, 'oh my gosh, I got it off the dollar rack,' or 'I haven't washed my hair in five days'? It's this deflecting. It's minimizing. It's pushing away.”
instantly relatable self-diagnostic anyone can test in real time→ TikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
10:08
“Where is there already abundance within me? Where is there already abundance available? Can I turn on the faucet? Is there water?”
grounding reframe for anyone feeling broke or in scarcity→ newsletter pull-quote↗ Tweet quote
12:20
“The more deeply even men could be in touch with that side of themselves, they unlock unbelievable abundance.”
provocative gender framing that invites debate→ TikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
14:38
“There's five specific layers: visibility, loyalty, responsibility... and we have ease and identity.”
names the episode's core framework in one breath→ IG reel cold open↗ Tweet quote
17:17
“Every cell of my body just broke. Like, I just felt like I should hand my bag over to her. Who am I to be able to have more than my mother?”
vivid client story about outgrowing family→ newsletter pull-quote↗ Tweet quote
memorable maxim from Lewis's own mentor story→ newsletter pull-quote↗ Tweet quote
1:00:42
“Pressure and judgment — those two things will absolutely activate your nervous system.”
names the actual mechanism behind self-sabotage→ TikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
1:09:07
“Be present... love more deeply, yourself, and listen.”
closing three-truths summation, quotable life philosophy→ newsletter pull-quote↗ Tweet quote
Topic Map
Where the conversation goes.
00:00 – 06:47denseWhy the body blocks money before the mind agrees to it
06:47 – 14:02denseLearning to receive: compliments, burnout, and internal safety
14:02 – 32:07denseThe Wealth Container: five layers and money shame
32:07 – 44:43denseHuman design, visibility fear, and ditching borrowed strategies
44:43 – 1:00:21steadyDeciding what to build and handling sudden wealth
1:00:21 – 1:11:01denseRewiring self-talk and the three truths to leave behind
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Why are women more designed to create abundance
in financial terms than men? I would say the the magic sauce for money.
It is this balance of softness and love. The more deeply even men could be in touch with that side of themselves. They unlock.
Unbelievable abundance. Unbelievable. She's an educator, an author, and an entrepreneur who after building two 7 figure businesses, she walked away from all of it and rebuilt her life from scratch.
We have the inspiring Jamie C in the house. What would you say then is blocking people's ability to make more money the most? There's
five specific layers, visibility, loyalty, responsibility.
So when someone shows me a specific behavior, I can look and I can look at their social media. I can look at the way that they're communicating and I know exactly what layer is activated.
What is the thing that
is mentally blocking them or emotionally blocking them from creating more financial abundance. So think about it this way is when you are How do our nervous system and our identity affect our ability to make more money?
That is a actually very interesting process. I think most people, when they learn about the subconscious mind or learn about growth or the nervous system or identity work, it's in two separate camps.
There's the subconscious mind camp. There's the nervous system camp. And I actually see them as one solid experience.
The subconscious is everything that's taking in the story. Your identity is built in there. Everything that you know about yourself, the way you perceive what you can actually achieve, what you think is possible, uh, how safe it is for you to actually grow, what you believe is, uh, holding you back or keeping you where you are, and then the actual nervous system is the thing that's communicating directly with all of those stories and all of those perceived limitations.
And the nervous system is then going to always be the one that's saying, hey. You're getting too close to where we are unfamiliar,
and we're gonna pump the brakes. Even if it's more money, what people want?
And that is the interesting thing because you would say, consciously, I desire all of this growth. I want the bigger business, or I want to feel more confident. And the body is putting all of the brakes because it doesn't know how to actually familiarize itself there.
And it shows up as the procrastination or hyper hustle or even this process of, you know, overthinking or feeling a lot more fear or a lot more doubt.
All of the sensations that you're feeling in the body is direct communication
and information from the subconscious mind about your identity. So what would you say then is blocking people's ability to make more money the most?
I would say
the ability to receive. Because when we think about making money, there's so many ways. Right?
You you can learn how to scale a business. You can learn how to launch a product. You can learn all of the ways to run ads or, you know, familiarize yourself with social media marketing.
But the moment you actually have to sell or believe in yourself or communicate or be able to actually have conviction in what you have to offer, that is actually a receiving process more than it is a making money process.
So if someone hasn't learned how to receive Mhmm. More money, more abundance, more wealth,
What is the process actually learning how to feel safe to make more money and receive it and not feel overwhelmed or, like, they're gonna sabotage it? An easy way to even familiarize yourself with receiving and what your relationship is with receiving is how do you receive a compliment. Mhmm.
If someone is saying, oh my gosh. I love your shirt, or I love your hair. Do you say, oh my gosh.
I got it off the the dollar rack, or I haven't washed my hair in in, you know, five days, or oh my gosh. This? No.
It's this deflecting. It's minimizing. It's pushing away.
It's this unconscious, um, process where you just don't feel okay being witnessed, being chosen, being seen, being celebrated, and
being okay with someone paying attention to you. Why is receiving a compliment so hard for so many people then? We have been
raised to be more digestible Mhmm. To be the one who doesn't talk too loud.
The one who is, you know, use your manners. Stay on.
Stay this way. Do this. When you are in the process of making more money or selling or expanding yourself in any capacity, it doesn't even have to be with just money.
You have to recognize that the way that you are able to stand in your bigness and stand in your greatness and stand in your ability to shine is something that is most likely learned Mhmm.
And has to be learned over time. The majority of people have been taught to minimize because standing out could be this process of rejection, uh, and how your body receives rejection.
It could be pointing the finger. You're so you're too much. Mhmm.
You know, quiet down. Don't sit don't say that too loudly. And being able to receive that could almost be the ability of saying, oh, they might think that I am cocky, or they might think that I'm too much or full of myself Yeah.
When really it's just,
thank you. Mhmm. So how can someone learn to receive all the celebration, all the praise, all the abundance, all the opportunities for growth and success, for money, or what whatever it might be, while also staying a good person and not being an egomaniac or a narcissist?
It starts with your relationship of how you speak to yourself. Mhmm. Because when you achieve something, can you look in the mirror and say, I'm proud of you?
You did such a great job. Or when you make a mistake, can you say, it's okay.
I'm alright. It's okay to make mistakes. I'm it's okay to be a beginner at something.
It's okay not to thrive immediately. And can you witness yourself?
Can you see yourself? Can you receive love from yourself? Acceptance, praise, everything that you are really feeling uncomfortable receiving from others has to be something that you have to start with within yourself.
And that is a birthright to honor yourself and to be okay with receiving love from yourself.
And if anything, I would say that that's the actual differing process between someone who is an egomaniac.
Because when you honor who you are and you say kind things to yourself, it just makes you,
I would say, a more gentle person to even be with. Mhmm. Both of us went down a path early in our business careers where we are driven to make more and hustle harder and do whatever it takes and stay up all night and just figure out ways to earn more in our business.
And it leads to burnout when you live that way. And it also leads to a sense of, like, scarcity. It's like, okay.
I'm doing more, but what's the purpose? Right?
How does someone learn how to earn more with less stress, with less scarcity, and be able to receive receive it it and and feel they're deserving and worthy of it, you could feel like, oh my god.
I just made all this money, and you really can blow it up in your mind. So how do we learn to do this? So it's just yeah.
Of course. This money comes. It goes.
It's okay either way.
With the process of deeply understanding your purpose and why you're doing things, it has to be rooted in a why.
Mhmm. And most people, I'll actually sit with them and say, why do you wanna make the money?
Why do you wanna do these things? And sometimes they'll say, I wanna prove it to myself that I can, or I want to just have the I wanna have all of these other things.
And while there's nothing wrong with having all of the incredible, you know, a beautiful home or the accolades or all of the things to prove to yourself that you can. There has to be something deeper Mhmm. Besides what you're achieving.
And if it's only the money, if it's only the praise, if it's only the likes, if it's only the opportunities, that is always gonna be fleeting because we are creating a felt sense of I'm okay when the money comes in.
I'm okay when I'm praised. I'm okay only when someone else validates me, when I get a like or when I get a follow or when I reach this new goal.
And that's why most people, when they slow down, end up feeling the sense of anxiety, never enough it is.
I have to reach the next goal. They reach the goal. They keep moving, and then they can't ever slow down is because they aren't actually creating safety within their own body and their own nervous system.
And it has to be the other way around versus everything outside of me creates my safety and my okayness and my enoughness versus I am okay.
I am enough. I am good. And I create from that space, and everything else is just a byproduct of how how I see myself.
I can see people,
you know, watching or listening saying, well, but if I'm broke, I'm not okay. I'm living in scarcity, so I don't feel okay. So how do I start to feel okay inside of me when I'm month to month?
You know, I've got all these responsibilities. I'm barely sleeping. I'm working a couple jobs, and I'm in debt.
I made some bad decisions from the past, or I took these student loans out, and I wish I didn't. Whatever it might be, how does someone feel safety within themselves
when they have no certainty outside of them? As someone who has broke the majority of my life, I understand this on every cellular structure of my body. I get it.
I would say that the first thing is compassion with yourself, patience with yourself, and understanding that it's okay that it feels hard right now. Mhmm.
It's okay that you don't have certainty right now. And the next thing to kind of anchor into even more deeply is where is there already abundance within me?
Where is there already abundance available? Because when we are in a state of survival, when we are in a state of fight or flight, when we are in a state of I am not okay because I don't have enough in the bank account, which is a very valid reason.
Yes. I'll never invalidate anyone for feeling that. Very, very, very, very real and a deeply emotional experience.
However, when we actually take just a moment each day and prioritize what is already here for me, can I can I turn on the faucet?
Is there water? Mhmm. Can I go and look at the trees, and can I see how many leaves, how many blades of grass, how many people there are?
Can I sit and look at my child in the eyes and notice how much magic is here? Can I open the fridge and have an apple? Where is there already abundance that's here that you can anchor into?
Because we cannot create clarity and solid momentum and movement when we are in the survival part of the brain.
So if you can even just take a moment just to even if it's not the life you wanna live right now, even if you're not at all where you wanna be, finding it on purpose in small incremental moments so that your body can relax, so your body can feel calm, And then you can take action and take the momentum and movement, and it will be so much more powerful that way.
You mostly work with a lot of women. Correct? About 95%
are women. Yeah. I'm curious from your perspective.
Why are women more designed to create abundance in financial terms than men in your mind?
I would say that
women have an ability to experience such a maternal aspect of caretaking and such a deep understanding of there's so much that we have innately built within us that is soft, that is gentle, and we have a really beautiful balance of the masculine and the feminine energy.
So we can really deeply hold space for ourselves and hold space for others, which is really the, I would say, the the magic sauce for money.
It is this balance of softness and love and caretaking. And then there's this structure, and there's this these boundaries that we can put in and the mixture together.
I'm not saying that that's not available to men at all. Mhmm. But I think that men have I mean, all of us have been built into the patriarchal aspect of our society.
And I would say that the more deeply even men could be in touch with that side of themselves They unlock unbelievable abundance.
Unbelievable. And I see it even with the 5% of men that I do work with. The second they are able to actually tap into that and feel and pause and not force or push or compete their way to the thing or be the best at everything, but to really understand that I can be the best within myself, and I can be the best within what I teach and what I do.
And there's so much space for all of us. I kinda went through my own ego death at the end of my twenties and started my healing journey around 30 as well.
And it was right before I launched this show, School of Greatness, in this third over thirteen years ago. And I remember saying the next thing I do is not gonna be about me. It's gonna be about we.
It's gonna be about others and pointing the spotlight on everyone else rather than look at me. And we're not saying we shouldn't be putting content out there about ourselves, but that's what I needed to do at that time, which is like, I need to make this about everyone else and about collaboration, not competition.
And I think when when everyone can think from a space of collaboration over competition, everyone rises at that moment. And I'm curious then with all the women you work with and coach, what is the biggest money barrier that they have that's blocking them from financial abundance?
And what is the the number one thing that when they start implementing it, money just starts to flow?
There's multiple layers of this. The way that I actually work with this within my clients is I think about this as the wealth container. So this is the nervous system subconscious experience of what does my body feel safe enough to hold and expand and receive.
And there's five specific layers, visibility, loyalty, responsibility, and we have ease and identity.
And when we look through these specific layers, they show up very specifically. So when someone shows me a specific behavior, I can look and I can look at their social media.
I can look at the way that they're communicating, and I know exactly what layer is activated. And I would say the majority of them fall between two of them, which is responsibility and loyalty.
Responsibility is especially for those at a younger age who held a lot more responsibility.
They have become the hyperindependent ones, the hypervigilant ones, the women who will feel like they have to do everything themselves. And you get to a place, and you know this just as well as anyone else who who runs a business, that you can't do it all alone.
No. You can't do it alone. So you'll see them, uh, with the inability to outsource or trust others.
Mhmm. They will drive themselves into hours and hours and hours when they, honestly could create so much spaciousness if they just focused on the things that they actually truly thrived in.
All of their life force energy would come back, and they'd be massively powerful. I mean, just the amount of magnetism that would pour from them would be unbelievable if they just allowed support in.
Wow. That's the receiving aspect as well. Wow.
Support in there. And then the second one would be the loyalty, which is I mean, on a biological level, we all wanna belong.
We don't wanna be othered. We don't wanna look different. We don't wanna be pointed at or laughed at or ostracized.
And it's the moment when we recognize that if you are an entrepreneur, you are going to face all of the parts of yourself that need to be witnessed.
Mhmm. And one of the biggest things is the fear of outgrowing the people that raised them.
Woah. I know that one. Looking different than the people that raise you.
Even though Your friend, community, your family, whatever might be. Right? Being different and being othered is unconsciously one of the biggest ones, I will say, in in the people that I work with, and that shows up very specifically.
I actually just had a client that experienced this massive success. She's making multi 6 figures every month.
She's loves now being able to have some of the things that she's always wanted, the beautiful bags and the things that she values.
Right? Having these luxury items, and she goes and she walks into her house, and she has this beautiful bag that she's earned. And she she's proud of it.
And her her mother says to her, oh, I I don't even know what you know, your birthday's coming, but I don't even know what to get you anymore. Like, I don't even know who you are.
Like, you have these expensive things. And she reached out to me. She says, every cell of my body just broke.
Like, I just felt like I should hand my bag over to her because who am I to be able to have more than my mother when she worked so hard? She provided for me.
She gave me everything, and here I am having so much more than her. And she doesn't even know how to identify with this version of me, and I immediately just said, that statement does not make you less loved.
It does not make you less important. It it does not make you anything other than just a person who cares, and it's okay that you feel that way. But I would say that those are the two layers of the wealth container that are consistently
activated. So the wealth container, the five layers, just so I remember visibility, loyalty, responsibility.
What were the other two? Ease and identity. Ease.
Ease is is that one. Whoof. That one comes in hot, though, uh, because that will show up as making everything much more difficult.
Uh-huh. Because if I didn't if I didn't work so hard for it, if I didn't bleed myself, drive for it, did I even deserve it?
And I know that this actually was a big thing that I navigated too. I remember when I was getting a lot of success in my first two companies, I remember going to a family.
This was like the loyalty and the ease layer coming up hot in this conversation, and I I I go to, uh, a family picnic. I hadn't seen people in a while. And there was, uh, some family members that walked up to me.
They're like, Jamie, I've been watching you online. You're doing such incredible things. I could feel everything like, oh my gosh.
I didn't even know people were watching you. Oh, no. I was just here serving my clients.
I didn't know you saw everything, and it became glaringly obvious that I was massively uncomfortable in that moment. Every cell was like, why were uncomfortable? Because I didn't know how to receive someone else witnessing me that I didn't know was seeing me, someone who's in my family.
Mhmm. I didn't know how to just accept that someone saw my goodness and that I was doing well.
And I just said, oh, yeah. Yeah. No.
It's not that big of a deal. It's not that big And, also, I'm just I'm working so hard for it. Wow.
Interesting. It was it was the deflecting. It was the pushing away.
The You're the coach of these things. Justification. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
This was in this was my first business when things started to Okay. So before you started to get into this thing. Now I'm just like, thank you.
And then you're about Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Gotcha. Um, but it was this, uh, deflecting, this pushing away, and almost, like, I had to show this badge of honor
that I had worked so hard, and that I deserved it so that you didn't think that I was this person who just had it easy. Interesting. So you're almost like, yeah, but I'm not, you know, I'm traveling nonstop.
I get no sleep. I don't see my family. You have to, like, justify Mhmm.
The success in some ways to feel like, oh, but your life is actually just as good or not better because you have these other things. You get to whatever it might be.
You know? Well, yeah. Because if you think about it, if we've always been told
I mean, for early childhood, you have to work hard if you're gonna get what you want. If you're gonna make money, you have to work hard. And I don't ever think that hard work is out of the question.
I think it's the energy that you put behind that. Because I call them sprint seasons because you're gonna have seasons where you're in a building phase.
You're gonna have to put in more effort. You're gonna have to it's the energy you're putting behind that. If the the effort is fueled with scarcity and fear and needing to be accepted, it's going to drain all of your energy Mhmm.
And it's gonna lead to burnout. But if the intentional work that you're putting into your business is fueled with belief and expansion and hope and desire and healing and just wanting to deeply serve in some capacity and be able to have a life they've always dreamt of, that energy is much different.
You're much more well resourced energetically. So break this down for me energetically.
Someone watching or listening is like, I've got this project or this idea or this launch or this thing that I really wanna put out there, and I've either been working on it, or I'm planning to start it right now and hopefully launch it in the next couple of months. Whatever it might be, this new journey of this side project or this business or something.
And one of them is like, I'm broke. I don't have anything. This has to work out, or I'm screwed.
Mhmm. They're coming from a place of scarcity or need. Mhmm.
The other one is I'm broke, but I'm creating this from a place of expansion and abundance. I hope it works out.
I'm gonna give it my all, and I'm gonna bring my unique gifts, my joy, my love, my my my excitement every single moment to this no matter what the result is.
What is the difference between those two individuals energetically
over the next few months if they consistently do those same things? The person that you mentioned first, the one who is saying this has to work. The one thing I will say is they're most likely in a process of outsourcing all of their trust to someone else.
They're in a process of outsourcing everything on something outside of themselves. So what I mean by this is that when people are in this process of it needs to work, they're usually very strategy heavy.
They're very much in the process of asking everyone else's opinion. They're probably overconsuming everything on social media, implementing every every strategy, maybe even having someone say, this is the strategy you should do to be successful, but maybe it's not.
That feels good to them, and they haven't learned what actually feels good to them because a strategy can only work if it works for you, if it feels good for you because there's millions of strategies. And they generally will work if the energy is consistent behind it.
Yeah. And if this person was to continue this way, they're most likely going to feel a lot of self doubt along the way.
Even if it does work, it'll probably be a place where they have a difficult time receiving it. Mhmm.
The fear of it the other shoe dropping of now that I have it, I have to keep going.
Otherwise, everything will fall apart. Because if you come from the energy of I'm broke, I'm everything is everything is scarce, everything I have to work so so hard to get there, that energy doesn't go away immediately when something comes It to doesn't Amplifies.
No. It brings it highlights it, and it it gets even bigger. Yeah.
And that's why so many entrepreneurs burn themselves out is because they're operating from the mentality of somebody who had to make it work. Mhmm. And they've never adapted to this person who can trust themselves.
They've never actually proof stacked that they've always figured it out. They've always been okay even if it wasn't the ideal outcome. Mhmm.
Energetically for the second person Who's coming from a place of abundance. Yep. There's gonna be deep resilience there.
There's gonna be compassion. There's going to be a neutrality around the outcome. Because when somebody is saying, I'm doing this for it's outcome I get is okay.
Because it is everything is neutral. We assign the meaning. And so if we get this outcome and we are assigning this as that's what makes me okay.
It's gonna filter through everything in your nervous system, everything in your body, everything in your mind about what does that mean about me. Mhmm. So when now it's neutral, and I can see it as neutral, it didn't maybe have the outcome.
It didn't get the launch exactly the way that I thought. Amazing.
What that's okay. I tried. What data can I look at this objectively and see this worked?
This didn't work? Where did it feel forced? Where did it not feel good?
And how can I get up and try again? There's resiliency built there because it's not filtered through. If I do this and I don't get it, I'm not enough.
I'm not okay. There's something wrong with me.
And the person who is more abundantly thinking is the one that's gonna have the resilience and neutrality around.
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When you set a goal and it doesn't come true, what was the actual purpose of reaching it?
What were what was the internal state you were hoping it would give you? What pressure were you putting on yourself for that specific goal? So if it doesn't come true, what were you actually hoping to feel with that?
Were you hoping to feel more successful? Were you hoping to feel more excited further along?
What was the emotional state that you were putting on that outcome? And the way to feel enough is to ensure that you are giving yourself that emotional state regardless of the outcome.
So Mhmm. Example of that would be if I was to have a launch, and I wanted to make x amount of money and it didn't come true.
And I asked myself, what was I hoping that launch would make me feel? It would make me feel that I'm enough.
I'm I'm valuable, that people want what I have Mhmm. That I feel calm, that I feel relaxed, that I feel successful, that I feel more confident.
Okay. So I'm placing all of that on something out there. Now if I wanna feel okay with any outcome, how can I give all of that to myself?
How can I tell myself that I'm proud of myself? How can I give more deep compassion? How can I find more joy in the things that I'm doing outside of just business?
How can I have more fun? How can I play? How can I be deeply present with the people in my life?
How can I have compassion for where I am right now and know that the whole point of entrepreneurship, the whole point of life is the enjoyment of the journey? It's not just once I get somewhere, I'll feel okay.
Mhmm. It's how can I feel okay with every part of this? Because we all know this to be true is that who you are in your first year of business is not who you are in the second and who you are in the third and ten years down the line.
Right? The show maybe didn't feel the exact way when the first episode versus thirteen years down And the it's really just being able to be present of what am I desiring that is outside of myself, and how can I be so intentional on finding that now?
Because it does exist in some capacity. We just are placing so much of it outside of ourselves.
Bringing it back inside for sure. It's always an inside job. When someone feels a sense of shame around money, how does that block their ability to receive more?
I think there's layers there, and it's individual to each person of, you know, was this shame because of the potential mistakes that you think you made with I see this with the stories around debt, the stories around Mhmm.
You know, people who had to take out a credit card or, you know, do the loans, and they're paying things off. And there's a lot of embarrassment of thinking, I should have made a better decision or an investment in a in a coach or in an opportunity, and it didn't come through. Mhmm.
And there's shame because I I should have gotten it right. I should have known better when you did the best you could with the knowledge that you had at the time.
And I would also say that there's sometimes layers of shame around people who were raised by people who struggled, who maybe thought of money a certain way.
You know, we're constantly getting feedback and data every moment of every day, especially in our childhood, and it shows up as, you know, your parents fighting about money. Mhmm.
The subtle bill has to be paid and the huff and the puff or the fight that's happening, and you have to close the door to not hear it. Or that we can't afford it, or that's too expensive, or who does that person think they are?
And you create this internalized experience of whatever you associate the people that are are raising me, associate with those people, that thing, and then you desire it later on in life, there's a mix of emotion there.
I want to be successful. I desire because I have a big dream and I have a big goal, but I also am really deeply embarrassed to want something that I was maybe raised to believe was bad.
Mhmm.
Did you have that growing up? I did.
Although, I'm always very careful about anything that I say about my my upbringing, mainly because with my parents, they really did the best they could.
My father was, you know, the caretaker for a lot of you know, he has a lot of a lot of siblings. And he did the best he could, and he was raised on the you work hard.
Mhmm. And he was at work all the time. And my mother, you know, she worked really, really, really, really hard as well, and it was, uh, I think, a lack of awareness, a lack of knowledge, a lack of understanding, and you you just take the story in.
Yeah. And it's you you you choose at some point to recognize that is the story mine, or is it someone else's?
And do I wanna believe that story anymore? Yeah. But it was definitely kind of an imprint of believing that people that were wealthy were bad bad people.
Really? Even to this day, my father will even say, I don't understand how you have success and you don't scam people.
Oh my gosh. Or I don't understand how you are so giving or why you donate so much or why you give back to people so much.
Most wealthy people are greedy. They're takers. They don't give.
Right? He has. He still can't understand it.
Interesting. And he and I said, you know, dad, I I think that both can be true. I think there can be good people, and I think there can be good people with money.
And there can be good people without money, and there can be people that don't have the highest value system with money without money. But the one thing that I will always say to him is that money is a new is neutral.
And when someone receives it, it only highlights their value system. So if you're a good person and you don't have a lot of resources, you likely will donate your time. Mhmm.
You will be there for other people. And then when you actually have more resources, you can help even more. And that's the value system I operate on, and I think that's the value system he always operated on as well.
And he just never saw it as, like, oh, you can be you can be an multi 8 figure founder and also be the kindest, loving, generous human.
Like, they can live together. So it was a very much a disbelief process for him.
For women who have been working really hard for maybe ten plus years who are finally starting to break free financially, they're getting to that 6 figure multiple 6 figure, multiple 7 figure mark in their business, but they're feeling burnt out and exhausted.
What type of wisdom do you share with those individuals?
This is the work that I do with a lot of my high level clients, and it's the most beautiful work. And I'm so beyond grateful to be able to to see them grow and to see them with this because a lot of them are experiencing so much growth and so much expansion all at once.
And the wisdom that I will always share with them is through the lens of three things, which is the subconscious, the nervous system, and then also human design.
Human design really takes in a lot of the way that your energy naturally flows, the the way that you decide, the way that you move. And a lot of times, what ends up happening is we create this idea of this is how you are meant to grow.
This is how you are meant to build a business. This is how you are supposed to do it. Even if I hurt myself along the way, even if my body's exhausted along the way.
This is this is what it takes in the pursuit of greatness to reach my goals. And when I actually audit the way that their design is, they've been going against the way that their energy actually moves the entire time.
I'll give you an example. So some people listening right now might not actually be familiar with with human design, but one of the most incredible things that you could ever learn is just the way that you were actually meant to have your energy move in your business. Because some of my clients are well, they're generator types.
And so if you're not familiar what this is, this is the the type of people who are meant to only say yes and only do the things in their business that are a full body yes. And it always comes from the safe role, which is in the gut.
So it's either a move forward or a move back. And most entrepreneurs are making decisions from the neck up.
They're running their business from the neck up, and no one is actually meant to make the decision from the brain. And each of us are designed so beautifully and uniquely to decide to move to create, and you reserve so much more life force energy, and you cannot possibly burn out when you actually implement those those three things with the subconscious, the nervous system, and human design.
So one of my clients is a generator type. Sacral.
Hell yes. Hell no. Um, it's the the best advice I was ever given is if it's not a hell yes, it is a hell no.
Mhmm. There's no hell maybe. And, uh, she had had colitis her whole life, stomach issues her whole life.
Within four months of working with me, gone. Wow.
Because her body was fighting her the whole way. Mhmm. And she was now creating from, do I actually want to do this?
Do I want to do that? And her body would say yes or would say no. And everything she said yes, her magnetism was unbelievable.
Wow. The amount of clients that would come in, the amount of she's like, my videos are getting millions of millions of reach, and that never happened before.
And the one thing that truly helps women, honestly, anyone at that level of of growth, immense growth, is understanding how your body works.
Because at that point, it's not a strategy game. It's it's an internal expansion game. It's always it's always that.
And you ask anyone who's who's massively successful that, yes, there's strategy involved, but it's really only running 5% of your business. Everything else is you.
Yeah. Everything else is you. Wow.
Interesting. What would you say then is the biggest block for most of the women that watch your content, that go through your training, your coaching?
What is the thing that is mentally blocking them or emotionally blocking them from creating more financial abundance? Visibility.
What does that mean? So you think about it this way is when you are when you are marketing, just in general.
Okay? So you have a business. Uh-huh.
Now you gotta go and create the content. You gotta do Put yourself out there. Yeah.
Yeah. You gotta put yourself out there. What if no one likes it?
What if no one comments? What if no one buys? How do I feel with me being me?
Who? Am I even me? Am I good enough?
There's a performative energy that also happens. I'll see them behind the scenes, and they're funny, and they're chill, and they're relaxed, and they're quirky, and they're, just so funny.
And then all of a sudden, they put the camera up, and they're like Right. This performative voice.
And, like, who? No. 20 takes.
Yeah. Trying to make it perfect. There there has to be the script.
I have to I have to follow the rules. I have to do this thing for it to work. And you find that the ones that truly honor what it takes to be seen and to honor all of the emotional experiences that come with that.
Because how can you support yourself if someone says something about you?
If someone doesn't like what you do, if someone doesn't like how you look, if they don't if you say something that it goes against the grain, uh, that someone doesn't believe in, if somebody, you know, says, I don't actually believe you.
I don't think you're doing great. How can you hold that energy within your own body and say, I know who I am.
I know what I believe. That's the internal work. Because the more you can do that, the more you can support yourself with just that alone.
Like, no matter what anyone says, if it hurts me, if it if it affects my body on some level, there's a part of me that's that might believe that's true.
Mhmm. And that's the work. What if it is true?
If it is true, like, how can I honor that? How can I and it's usually wherever there's that raw energy of, like, oh, that freaking hurts? That was a gut punch.
Right? Or if someone says something that you are deeply insecure about your whole life, and they say something about it, you're gonna not show up in your power.
You're gonna not you're gonna you're gonna hold back. You're going to want to hide in some capacity.
And I would say the majority of people are hiding on some level. Whether they think they are or not, they'll they'll be like, okay. I'm doing the three posts today.
I'm doing the things, but they're hiding. They're not truly revealing themselves. Right?
Showing up. Yeah. Yeah.
Interesting. They do, it's profound.
I've seen you grow over the last couple years. I think I told you beforehand that I, like, I started seeing your content when you're, you know, we're kinda starting out. Maybe it looked like you were starting out, but and I was like, this person's on to something, and you're gonna be massive.
That's what I saw a couple years ago. If you keep being authentic the way you were being, which happened, with the growth that you've had and the greater financial success that you've had Mhmm.
What has been the thing that scared you the most? Visibility.
Really? Yeah. With visibility, it is the ability to be able to be okay with you standing in your power.
Because the more you actually believe in something, the more you say it with your whole chest. You're like, this is what I stand for. This is what I believe in.
The more it is going to activate something in someone else, and they're gonna say what they believe. And it's recognizing also that everything that's coming out here, I'm I'm a mirror to other people.
So if I say something fully authentic, if I say something very brave or very bold Mhmm. Or something that's very honest, right, something that I truly believe, and it goes against everything that they've ever thought, it's going to activate something in them, and they will project.
They will share with me what they believe. So I am a mirror to them, and what they say to me is whatever they believe about themselves.
Beliefs. Yeah. I actually taught my oldest daughter this because she is gonna be 13 in October, and some of her friends have social media.
She does not. And I did this actual, uh, I'm not sure if you saw it. I posted it, uh, a while back, but it was, uh, social media prep school.
Mhmm. So I took people behind the scenes. I don't show my children's identity on on the Internet.
And so she it was just her voice, but I was teaching her how to understand her mind and how to understand her body and how to understand comments and how to be very secure in who she is so that when she shows up, she's not deeply affected by the comments of other people.
And she understands what projection is. She understands if it hurts, there's something I believe about that to be true. And then she knows how to actually work through it.
She understands everything in the nervous system. She understands the layers of the wealth container.
She understands how her mind works, and that is something that I am very, very intentional about is honoring the knowledge I have and passing it on to her and to my youngest when when she's ready and being able to prepare her to have a safer environment within her own body because it's only going to get louder
Yeah. With social. What's the thing you've said online that has the biggest trigger
around money? That it could be easy. Easy to make.
I mean, easy to spend for a lot of people. But Easy to spend. Easy to make.
Yeah. It could be easy to make. Because we've been taught to trust all of the strategies.
And it's I always say that the the business world with how to grow and make money is really loud. There's so much noise.
Mhmm. Do it this way. This kind of marketing is dead.
Don't do it this way. This funnel is dead. Don't do it this way.
If you're doing it this way, you're doing it wrong. This person and it's it's massive chaos, and it's massively dysregulating to the body, and you don't know what to listen to.
And you don't know what to do because you don't know what works for you. Yeah. And if you and and I also see this with the strategy hopping.
Right? People are like, oh, okay. Strategy, I'm gonna do this one, and then and then, oh, it didn't work.
But what I find is that strategy is actually a experience for people to feel temporary nervous system regulation.
And what I mean by that is strategy feels safe. If I could just follow the rules, if I could just do it this way, then I'll get this result. But they don't even they don't even give it enough time to work.
Because if it's not working right away immediately Go on next. Yeah. And then they move, and then they jump, and then they jump.
And when you actually understand your design, you understand what feels good for you, what marketing comes natural to you, what you actually wanna create.
Maybe you just wanna be on Substack. Maybe you love podcasting. Maybe you love YouTube.
Maybe you love interviewing. Maybe you love poetry.
Maybe you love, um, you know, just picking your phone up in the car and doing these car talks. Right?
And if you have all of this noise that that's potentially wrong, you're never gonna find the thing that actually works for you.
And once you truly understand how to receive and bring safety in the body and know how you're designed and know your superpowers Mhmm. The natural byproduct of that is abundance Mhmm.
In every capacity. Whether that's money, whether that's opportunity,
it is always going to be the natural byproduct Mhmm. Of all of that. The two strategies for you then.
The tactical strategy that you're using right now that is working and the internal strategy or internal way of being that shows up most effective when you implement a launch, trying to market your business.
What are those two things? From a strategic standpoint,
something that's always been very natural for me is picking up my phone and just saying what I wanna say. I'm not a script person. I cannot do this.
Like, my brain just goes offline. And and a lot of the times when I'm actually talking, I just have this little download that's like, this is the topic that I wanna talk about. And you just riff?
And I riff. Wow. The one thing that I will say I'm very intentional about, and it's the way that my brain has kind of always functioned.
However, I've kind of mapped to how it functions and then taught it to people so that they can be intentional about that, which is I never make content just to make content. I think about where I want someone to go first, whether that's to a resource, whether that's to a video that I want them to watch, whether that's a a workshop that I'm teaching, whether that's an invitation to have a DM conversation.
I'm always thinking about Mhmm. Where do I want them to go first? What is the thing that is actually going to make that the inevitable next step?
And then I riff to that point. So you know where to send people at the end, essentially. Yeah.
Because a lot of times people are like, oh, I'll just talk about these three things, but it doesn't make sense. And then they're like, uh, what do I do now?
Wait. Wait. Where do send it now?
Like, where do I but it it it's actually a reverse engineering process. And then the internal state, I will say, is that from my human design, I'm a human design projector, which means I think in systems, I see problems. I see things that people don't see Mhmm.
Within themselves very, very easily, and I see patterns. Actually, part of my design is pattern recognition.
So I can see a pattern a mile away Mhmm. Like years before it's even gonna happen. And I can see a pattern in the way that people communicate and the way people talk, and I know what the issue is.
Mhmm. And then that's that's why my clients are able to get, you know, where they are because it's very easy for me to do that.
So that's always the energy that I actually lean into is what is the problem that I'm seeing, and that is enough. That is enough.
That is the internal state of just find the problem, the pattern, give them the solution.
Mhmm. And that is enough. I've always been a blinders up girl.
What does that mean? So I will never look at what anyone else is doing. You stay in your lane.
I never do. Wow. That's good.
People will be like, oh, have you watched this? It's like, nope. That's good.
You focus on your vision, what you're up to. It's this. That's smart.
I know I'm not scrolling. I'm not nope.
I just know how deeply it affects the nervous system and how safe your internal environment has to be because whatever you are absorbing through conversation, through social media, through what you're listening to, through the environments you're in is imprinting as truth somewhere.
Wow. That's interesting. You'd be very surprised with the amount of people that I talk to that are overconsuming.
Really? Just this. And then they're just comparing to everyone else or what are doing?
Lose sight of who they are. Interesting.
It's just this rule book that they're trying to follow. A very confusing one at that. Yeah.
You know? Because you think about all the the the marketing rules and all the you should do it this way, and then you build up this kind of idea of who am I?
Do I have to be that person to be successful? How do I have to shape shift my way there? There's just someone else getting results and say, oh, I have to do it like this person or like that person, and I have to try this thing.
Yeah. But
the reason it works for that person is maybe because that's what feels natural to them. Mhmm. They have a very regulated understanding of, like, this is the actual thing that I love to talk about, and this is the way that I love doing things.
And this is, you know, how I support people, and it feels good for them. Yeah.
And you can't you can't take someone else's process, their nervous system, their whole life experience, and expect it just to be something you can immediately step into and get that result.
And also, you just get to enjoy your own experience. Exactly. Like, it gets to be your way.
I always say to my clients, your way is the way. Your way is the way.
Every time they're like, there's a rule. Your
way is the way? Your way is the way. So how can someone know then if they're going against their way that they're meant to make more money?
If there is
resistance, if there is overthinking, if there is a process where you are actually on some level, you know it doesn't feel right.
Mhmm. If you were to really sit and be honest, you could say, I'm doing that because I feel like I have to versus I want to.
Mhmm. That will always where is there a should energy? Where is there I have to?
Where is there I need to do it this way? And I said, who who told you? Who told you that you had to?
What way do you wanna do it? Which way makes your journey so much more fun?
And if they're going against their way, their body will tell them at some point.
Yes. It it will. It'll it'll show up with either feeling like you have to hyper control everything, that you're procrastinating, that you're overthinking, that you are in a constant people pleasing, you know, fawn response where it's just what everyone else wants.
What everyone else wants, then I'll just do that. Whatever whatever product I think that this person wants, I see this all the time.
Their audience is like, oh my gosh. Would you just create this workshop? And then they do it, and no one buys it.
Why is that? Because they're not convicted in it. It's not what they actually wanna do.
And we are energetic beings. We're reading energy all day long. We're reading, you know, subtle subtle cues in the body.
We're reading energy. We feel things when we move into different rooms. I mean, you've probably felt it whenever you've walked in the space, you're like, I don't like this.
Yeah. Or immediately, the opposite. I've walked into a space and I this is a vibe.
I like this. I like these people. This feels good.
And you can tell when someone is fully convicted in something with it's not the words that they're saying. Mhmm. They're just fully deeply present with it.
It's like, I wanna create this. I want this, and I want you in it. I want you here and someone who can deeply say energetically, I believe in the work that I do, and I'm ready to lead you there.
That is a comp that is that is someone's gonna sign up, sign up, sign up, sign up versus,
hey. Here's this thing because you all asked for it. Yeah.
I mean, just because you can sell something doesn't mean you should sell something. 1000%. You know, I could launch a toothbrush business if I wanted to, but it's like, I don't care about toothbrushes.
I'm sure I could sell them. I'm sure could, and you probably do very well. You know, it's like I could do you could sell anything once you learn how to sell, but just because you can doesn't mean you should, and it's the highest form of using your energy to make money.
Mhmm. Here's one thing then. A lot of people all say, you know, I've got so many ideas.
I've got so many ideas. Mhmm. I've got I wanna launch a book, and I wanna do this course.
Wanna do my body. They got I don't know what to do. How does someone make a decision on how they're gonna make their money?
Well, one thing that I will say is that a lot of that is actually a nervous system response.
That's over that's classic overwhelm of all of these things. Right?
And the body will actually do that on purpose so that you won't move. It's actually a very subtle nervous system response of if I keep you more overwhelmed, if I keep you in lack of clarity, then you stay as you are.
And that's the nervous system and the subconscious's job. We're not primed for success, which is why this work is so important, but it's it's job.
I will keep you in what I know and how you were raised and what beliefs you have and how you see the world and how you see yourself, and I will keep you in what I know is familiar even if it's not what you want. So that actually is classic nervous system.
Yeah. And it is only until that person is able to find clarity and safety in the body and come from a regulated space and then also understand how they make decisions.
Because, for example, some people make decisions like my youngest is self projected, um, coming back to human design, which means she can only make a decision when she hears clarity coming from her voice. So it looks like, sweetie, do you want cheese?
Do you want an apple? Do you want a smoothie? And then she's like, oh, I want cheese.
No. Actually, I don't. I think I want pancakes.
No. I want cereal. And so someone else that could look like, you don't know how to make up your mind.
You're wishy washy. You're indecisive. When really, she's finding the yes in her voice.
Mhmm. For me, I'm a splenic, so mine's intuition. It's very quiet.
Right away. I just know it, and it doesn't make sense. Someone who's a sacral, it's like, it's either there or it's not.
But if you're always here, if you're always in the head, you're never gonna understand Mhmm. What feels right for you. You know, once you're really in tune with that, you trust it because we've only built trust from the mind.
And I would say for somebody who's like, I just don't know where to start. If all things of all possibilities equaled success, if every single outcome, if the book launch, the podcast launch, the product launch, all of it resulted in your happiness, all of it resulted in your joy, the money, all of it, what feels like something you can put energy into that feels exciting?
Like, the thing that you can do now. Let's just say you could even do a podcast a little let's say you could do it all, but maybe not all right now.
Mhmm. What do you in this nervous system state, this season of your life, nervous system capacity, your actual season of life?
You might be a new mother. You might be, you know, um, you know, coming out of a difficult grief season. What do you have capacity what's easiest for you to feel like you can put your energy in without it backfiring the level of this is too much for me?
Because some people are like, I wanna launch the podcast, but it's not really what they're ready for right now. Mhmm.
It doesn't feel energetically aligned right now. And even if it's the thing that you feel is not the thing that you think you should be doing, starting in a place that's easier on the body will always results
in a better outcome. Yeah. It's interesting.
When I was broke in my twenties, living on my sister's couch, I had a mentor that I was working with for many months. And at one point, I was like, gosh.
I just I just don't know what I need to do to make more money. Like, I'm just struggling. No matter what I try, it's not working.
And he said something to me. He said, money comes to you when you're ready for it. And I go, man, I feel pretty ready, though.
I'm like, I'm broke. I can really use money. You're probably so angry with that.
It's like, what is that I know. I was like, I feel ready. Like, I'm broke.
I'm ready to receive. Right? But about two years later, I started to make a lot more money.
And it started to actually come pretty quickly after that, but I started to make a lot more within the next couple years, more than I ever imagined or dreamed of. Mhmm.
And I reflect back on that, and I was like, he was right because I wasn't emotionally, spiritually ready. I also didn't have the language for understanding money.
I didn't understand what what would I do with the money. I just didn't know what would happen.
And I think I would have blown it, or I would have sabotaged it or something. So I think God or the universe was protecting me from having more money before I was actually ready to receive it, because I think I would have made poor decisions or mistakes that maybe would have kept me held me back even longer.
Mhmm. And so I just wasn't emotionally ready for it.
Yeah. And I think we're constantly expanding our wealth container to receive more based on the internal work that we're doing.
Now, also, certain businesses may have I wouldn't say a cap. I don't wanna put a limit on anything, but there may be you may not be in a business that is scalable enough to make a $100,000,000 in the next few years.
Like, it just may not be where you're gonna be at. Yeah. But you could drastically increase your income or your revenue by being creative using that energy in a different way that unlocks a new level of abundance for you.
Mhmm. So when you started to make because you've had kind of two different paths.
A path where you were generating, you know, multiple 7 figures in a business prior before this work. And then a path where you exceeded well beyond that after you started doing nervous system work around money and business.
When you started to unlock financial freedom at a whole new level where it felt effortless, where it felt in your own human design, where it felt like, oh, I'm just in my natural feminine flow.
Was there ever a moment where it became too scary because you're like, this is so much money that I didn't even know was possible at this level of ease. And when that came, how did you navigate that?
The moment it felt
like, woah. Woah. We're at a we're at another we're at another level was actually when I said I said to my husband, I was like, I think we need a financial adviser.
I think we need I I think we'd I think we have a lot in our bank account, and I don't what do we do with this? Like, what what do we I don't what am what is this?
And it was just it was just all coming in. I was like, okay. Now what?
Okay. So I remember sitting down with him, and he's like, okay. Well, yeah, let's I think I think we're ready for that.
And so we we got the financial advisers. We had the weekly calls with with them. We're moving things around.
And it was one of those moments where I had to really deeply sit with the fact that we were on a completely different level, and it felt very new.
And there was a lot of new decisions that I had to make. There was a lot of different kinds of conversations that I had to have. There was there was just it was on a completely unfamiliar level, and I think a lot of people would have been very easily triggered back into I'm just gonna not show up online anymore.
Like, very subtle self sabotage that you don't really real because it's like, oh, I have to I have to call and I have to I have to have these conversations. I have to do things that are different.
I have to, you know, invest, or I have to do these things that maybe you're not familiar with, and it can easily show up in a very subtle way. So that was a big moment for for me where it felt very stretchy.
Oh, we are in a completely different caliber. Mhmm. But, also, I think simultaneously, because I had been doing so much internal work, I remember saying to myself, it's you're fine.
It's okay. This is new. I think I was just, like, parenting myself.
You're okay. You're alright. This is new.
It's okay. And you're always gonna find the right people. Like, there's so many people available to you.
There's so many people that want to help that are experts that can help you when you don't know. And I think that's the one thing that I've always been very intentional about is if I don't know something, I'm gonna find someone to support me with that.
My dad actually asked me. He's like, what do you think actually allowed for you to be as successful as as you are? And I said, knowing that I don't know everything.
And I don't have to. I don't need to know absolutely.
Don't have to be an expert in absolutely everything in business. There are so many experts out there that can support me when I need it, and that doesn't ever have to be a limitation. I think a lot of times this is what I talk about with my clients all of the time is that when we talk about the nervous system work, when we talk about subconscious work, the the conversation that really isn't had is the inner narrative part, which is how are you actually speaking to yourself?
How are you holding yourself in your own indecision? How are you treating yourself when you make mistakes? How much pressure are you putting on yourself?
Because pressure and judgment, those two things, will absolutely activate your nervous system. They're the two main pieces that will actually create nervous system dysregulation in the body. So the ways that you are unconsciously putting a pressure cooker of stress and and cortisol on your body just by saying you should be further along, just by saying you should know better, you should figure it out by now, you should have the answers, all of that is judgment.
All of that is pressure. And that actually creates more contraction in the body, lack of clarity, and then you're operating from a completely different part of your brain. But the more that you can actually say, hey.
You're alright. Mhmm. I'm so I'm so proud of you for being brave for doing those things, and you're right on time.
There's no rush. Yeah. It's all gonna work.
And you think about it even the way that that is when I when I teach this to my clients, I say, imagine the inner narrative as a separate person outside of you. And imagine you saying, I have these big dreams.
I wanna make this money, or I wanna I have this big I wanna do this huge initiative, or I I wanna start this this brand, or I wanna launch this product, or I wanna do something new. And this person's saying to you, you're gonna fail. You're gonna mess up.
You're gonna fall down. Who's even gonna buy from you? You should be further along.
You should be smarter. You don't know enough. What is that gonna do to you when you receive it?
And it could be a a fluctuation of of aspects depending on how your body responds to it. So if you had a fight response, you're like, I'll prove it to you that I can. I'll show you.
And then it's like the hyper control, and then it's like, ah, let me be number one. Let me compete. Right?
And then there's the the fawn response, which is, okay. You're probably right.
I'll just kind of shape shift my way. I'll keep my prices low. I'll keep myself small just to be acceptable and to to be to feel safe that other people are okay around me.
There might be the flight response where you just do a whole bunch of busy work, but you don't actually do the work that moves the needle. Yeah. Yeah.
And then there might be the freeze response where you're just like, I know the thing that I want to do, but I literally cannot do it. And you also can imagine now if that person standing in front of you, and now you have this big open heart and you're excited and you're joyful and you cannot wait to reach your goals and maybe just even a little bit scared.
Right? Because every level of expansion meets up against that.
And this person says to you, you are so brave. I got you. Like, even if you might make a mistake, that's okay.
You're allowed to. It's okay. I got your back.
Like, anything that happens, I'm gonna be right by your side. I think you're amazing. I think you're incredible.
I think you're worthy. I think you're important. I think that this is the coolest thing that you could ever be doing, and I think there's so much space for you.
Mhmm. How would that allow for you to feel driven, brave, taking new risks, putting yourself out there if you always knew that you were the safest place to come back to?
Because that's why people are a lot a lot of white people are afraid to make mistakes. They are not a safe environment to come back to. So they'll do anything to avoid
Pain. Whatever Yeah. Yeah.
You are about to experience within your own experience. Wow. What do you think would be the biggest thing that holds you back from doubling your business and doubling your audience over the next twelve months, two years, three years, whatever it might be, even if that is something you want?
I do. I do. And then I will always say that the work is not about me.
It's not about me. It's about it's always been beyond me, And it's been very similar to what you were saying.
Like, the work is you were kind of shifting into I wanna I wanna provide Service.
Awareness and service Yeah. Of other people and and have these amazing expansive conversations. And for me, that has always been true about this work because it is so deeply important because I navigated it, because I see it, because the statistics of entrepreneurship and mental health and the way that it actually affects the body and the health of the body is so startling that I need to be able to get out of my own limitations Mhmm.
So that the work can reach more people. Because this is what can actually support people in their health in being more deeply present with their families, in being happier, and being more joyful, and also having the impact.
Because there's so many entrepreneurs that really truly wanna make a really big impact. And I firmly believe that if we had more awareness around that, imagine all of the heart led leaders just, like, how would that it would be life changing.
And we can't do that if we're constantly dysregulated Yeah. And living not in our power.
And I think the limitation for me would be me. It would be where it's the very human essence of the nervous system, the real human experience of I need to be able to get out of the way.
Mhmm. And I just need to be able to speak and to share and to be able to spread this as far as it can go.
That's cool. How can, uh, I'd be a support or service to you? I think you're already doing it.
Yeah. Yeah. I think you're already doing it.
I think just by having this conversation, it's just so meaningful to so many people. And it's such an important conversation because it doesn't even impact the existing people who are in business, but the the dreamers, the the kids who are deeply desiring to do big things or the conversations that might affect a parent and the work that they get to do within themselves and how they get to parent differently and then how they spread that message to their children.
Yeah. And just how it it's sometimes I even say it's just not even about the money. It's not even about the business.
It's like, how can we just experience being more balanced and more centered and more happy and more joyful and more powerful and
in service to other people. Mhmm. And I just think you're already doing that.
Well, that's so That's cool. Well, I'm excited for this to be out there because I think a lot of people are gonna find this very valuable.
So I wanna acknowledge you, Jamie, for showing up today. For people that don't know, we recorded yesterday, but but the whole power went off here. And so I I feel that there was a reason why because this was really powerful.
So I'm really glad that you're here. Me too. And, uh, I acknowledge you for stepping into your power and being a voice to so many women, mostly women who are stepping into their power because of your content, because of your coaching and your methods.
And I truly believe when more women step into their power energetically and they create from a space of wholeness. It is so empowering to watch Mhmm.
Women be able to fully step into their energetic flow, into their confidence, and be of service in the world rather than feeling like they need to play small or whatever they've been conditioned certain women have done.
And so I acknowledge you for being that voice, and I'm excited to see where you continue to grow into. Thank you.
So congrats on everything. Yeah. Thank you.
I have two final questions for you. Before I ask them, I want people to check out your podcast, the Jamie C Show.
Um, and also you have the jamiec.com, which, uh, you have different workshops on there, courses, coaching where people can find out the energy of the sale workshop if they wanna learn how to really sail from a energetic space, and Jamie c official on Instagram.
So we'll have all this linked up where people can learn more about your content and what you offer. But this is a question I ask everyone towards the end called the three truths. So imagine hypothetical scenario.
You get to live as long as you want on this Earth, but eventually, it's the last day for you. Mhmm. And you get to create whatever you wanna create from this moment on until the last day.
But for whatever reason in the hypothetical question, you have to take all of your work with you when you pass on from this earth. So we don't have this conversation anymore.
Any content you put out, it's all gone. Mhmm. But you get to leave behind three lessons to the world.
Three truths. What would those three truths be for you? The three truths that I would want to leave behind
is be present because that really is the biggest gift of everything.
Mhmm. Because when you are here in the now, it gets to be really beautiful.
Coming home.
Love more deeply yourself and listen.
Those are the three truths I would say is that when you are deeply present, when you are in the moment, everything that you desire actually can be found. And you feel so deeply regulated, and you feel so calm.
And when you listen and when you love, it's just life just gets to feel so much more beautiful.
And you also just don't even understand the amount of impact that you have when you emit just that alone, when you walk past somebody and you hold the door for them, or you ask them how their day is.
Mhmm. And that is the thing that someone else is going home and feeling better about. It's the conversations that you're having with people in the grocery store.
It's the the time that you spend not on your phone with people that you love.
It's, um, being able to hold space and to be able just to to love and to care for people. And, I mean, really, that's I think at the end of the day, that's really why we're all here.
Yeah. Yes. That's cool.
Yeah. Uh, final question, Jamie. What's your definition of greatness?
Allowing yourself to be fully who you were always created to be. Well Yeah.
Without the stories, without holding the baggage of what came before you is what do you wanna believe?
What do you want your story to be? What do you want to create while you're here? And that is, I would say, the epitome of greatness.
Mhmm. Jamie, thanks for being here. Appreciate you.
Thank you. It's powerful. Beautiful.
Beautiful. Thank you. Yep.
The kind of aspect of interdependence that honors the unique individual that has passion, has purpose, you know, has those deeper things that I think we are absolutely driven. Um, and I think again this is sometimes where we set up an expectation of relationships that it's somehow shared.
Mean a partner has all the same interest as me.
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