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How He Automates 99% of Content with Claude Code (Full Guide)

Sandy Lee interviews Lazaros, who took a podcast from zero to 6.18 million views in five weeks by routing research, scripting, editing, emotion-ranked short-form repurposing, and scheduling almost entirely through Claude Code.

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Big Idea

The argument in one line.

One operator ran research, scripting, editing, and scheduling for an entire podcast through Claude Code alone — the leverage came from consistent folder structure and reusable style rules, not from any single clever prompt.

Who This Is For

Read if. Skip if.

READ IF YOU ARE…
  • A solo creator or busy professional with limited time who wants a repeatable system for turning one long-form recording into weeks of short-form content without hiring an editor.
  • Anyone building an interview show from zero who wants a concrete process for guest research and finding a unique angle before hitting record.
  • A creator already making shorts manually who wants to see a granular, prompt-by-prompt workflow for emotion-based hook ranking and automated music-matching.
SKIP IF…
  • You're looking for narrative-editing or cinematography technique — the video covers almost no manual editing decisions; nearly all of it is delegated to Claude Code.
  • You need the actual code or full prompt text for the tools referenced (video-use, Remotion, the Shazam-style model) — the video describes what they do, not how they're built.
TL;DR

The full version, fast.

Lazaros grew a podcast from zero to 6.18 million views in five weeks by routing almost the entire production pipeline through Claude Code. Before recording, he has Claude scrape a guest's past interviews into a searchable index to find an angle nobody else has used, then brainstorms by asking for 100 possible angles instead of one. After recording, the same transcript-plus-timestamps method drives both the intro edit and short-form repurposing: Claude finds compelling moments, classifies each by the emotion it triggers — weighted toward fear and FOMO — and ranks them for a four-times-daily posting schedule. A persistent per-project CLAUDE.md file and saved style 'skills' let every session reuse the same captions, colors, and music-matching rules without re-explaining them.

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Voices

Who's talking.

00:00hostSandy Lee
00:00guestLazaros
Chapters

Where the time goes.

00:0002:57

01 · Cold open + guest introduction

A compiled highlight-reel trailer (channel grown to 2.7k subscribers and 6.18M views in five weeks) cuts into Sandy introducing Lazaros and framing the episode: how he uses Claude Code to run 99% of his content pipeline, from research to scheduling.

02:5705:57

02 · Getting the first guest — John Kiriakou

Lazaros tells the origin story: he recognized ex-CIA officer John Kiriakou at a tavern in Cyprus, worked up the nerve to ask him onto a podcast that didn't exist yet, then texted him once a day (bumped at day's end) until the logistics were locked and the episode got recorded.

05:5707:30

03 · The Loom that landed Nick Saraev

After the Kiriakou episode did well, Lazaros posted the win inside his Maker School community. Nick Saraev commented under it, so Lazaros used one of Saraev's own outreach techniques — a Loom video — to pitch him, and flew to Canada five days later to record.

07:3009:03

04 · Manifesting vs. deliberate awareness

Sandy calls Lazaros's confident pitching 'manifesting.' Lazaros reframes it through Think and Grow Rich: writing down who you want to meet doesn't summon them, it sharpens the everyday decisions that move you toward that goal.

09:0313:24

05 · Why fly to Canada, and the confidence gap

Lazaros explains why in-person outreach beats a cold online ask when the goal is a real connection, then admits his first-ever on-camera interview (studio lights, first time holding a mic) rattled his voice — he had three days' notice and no time to overthink it, comparing it to deciding to skydive and jumping the next week.

13:2414:36

06 · The three-part framework: pre-production, production, post-production

Lazaros splits any content project into three phases and says preproduction research has never been easier than with Claude Code — the John Kiriakou episode is the example that follows.

14:3618:18

07 · Scraping for the angle (plus a sponsor read)

For the Kiriakou episode, Lazaros had Claude scrape every past interview transcript into an index file, then queried it to find an angle nobody had used yet — Kiriakou's Cypriot roots and the island's geopolitical split — and to flag overused questions. A mid-roll HubSpot-sponsored plug for a free 'Complete Guide to Claude AI' prompt document runs in the middle of this segment.

18:1820:51

08 · A framework, not a rigid script

Lazaros never writes a word-for-word script — he builds a loose framework (intro beats, a couple of bullet points per segment) and stays reactive to whatever the guest says, threading their last sentence into his next prepared question in real time.

20:5123:36

09 · The intro decides everything

Editing the long-form podcast itself is minimal — a Claude Code skill or repo like video-use or Remotion can auto-switch camera angles by speaker. The real leverage is the intro: it must deliver on the exact promise made in the thumbnail the instant the video starts, so Lazaros a/b-tests multiple intro angles that all still pay off.

23:3627:39

10 · Turning one long-form episode into ranked shorts

Same framework, reused: give Claude the transcript with speaker labels and timestamps, then have it find clips that induce emotion, classify each by the feeling it produces, and rank them best to worst. Lazaros weighted negative emotions like fear more heavily because they land harder than positive ones.

27:3935:09

11 · Live demo in Claude Code — building shorts for the Nick episode

Lazaros screen-shares his real project folder (organized by client and by podcast, each with a CLAUDE.md context file) and drives Claude live: pick the transcript, brainstorm emotional hooks (FOMO, fear, motivation), draft the clip script, then generate a rough vertical cut with video-use.

35:0938:45

12 · Aim for rejection — the outreach mindset

Asked how to get over the fear of cold outreach, Lazaros says he reframed rejection as a game — like not knowing what card you'll draw in blackjack — and now aims for 100 rejections, confident a win arrives before he gets there. His rule: it's not about avoiding the no, it's about how far you get before it.

38:4544:09

13 · Inside the workspace and the emotion tags

Lazaros walks through his GitHub-backed folder structure (clients, company projects, podcasts) and explains why fear was the dominant emotion tag on his John Kiriakou shorts — he'd scraped Kiriakou's past interview titles and found almost all of them played on fear, tracking his belief that negative emotion registers more strongly than positive.

44:0951:57

14 · The music library trick

Lazaros collected songs from reels he liked, had Claude run them through an open-source Shazam-style model to identify and download the exact track, then had Claude tag each song's emotion by transcribing the source reels that used it — so a fear-tagged clip automatically pulls fear-tagged music from a 10-song library.

51:571:02:12

15 · Tier one, two, three — publish everything, let the market decide

Every candidate clip gets made and ranked into tiers; Lazaros posts one tier-one clip and backfills with tier-two/three across four daily slots, since YouTube doesn't penalize high posting frequency. He also compares DM-automation tools — dropping ManyChat, which nearly billed him $6,000 in per-contact fees after one viral post, for the free-for-two-accounts Xerneo.

1:02:121:06:32

16 · Claude Code from your phone, and closing

Lazaros describes running the pipeline remotely — drafting a thumbnail from the gym via the Claude mobile app's remote-control feature, keeping his laptop awake with a caffeine utility, and sending Claude a prompt whenever he has five free minutes. He closes by watching captions and music finish rendering live before thanking Sandy.

Atomic Insights

Lines worth screenshotting.

  • Scraping a guest's entire back-catalog of past interviews into a searchable index before recording reveals which angles are overused and which ones nobody has asked yet.
  • Asking an AI for one good answer produces a narrow result; asking for 100 angles and reading all of them is what surfaces the one that actually works.
  • The intro is worth disproportionate production effort because it alone decides whether someone who already clicked the thumbnail keeps watching.
  • Ranking short-form hooks by the emotion they're likely to trigger, weighted toward fear and FOMO, works because negative emotion registers more strongly than positive emotion.
  • Publishing every plausible clip instead of pre-selecting favorites turns the audience into the filter — real performance, not guesswork, decides what gets repurposed further.
  • Posting four times a day on YouTube carries no algorithmic penalty, which makes volume-then-curate a viable content strategy.
  • Music selection for shorts can be automated by tagging a personal song library with the emotion of the reels each track was pulled from, then matching tags to new clips.
  • A single viral DM-automation post can trigger thousands of dollars in per-contact billing before an operator realizes some platforms charge for every contact who ever messaged once, even after deletion.
  • Talking about an unbooked goal as if it's already happening can function like a self-fulfilling prophecy by sharpening which day-to-day decisions actually move toward it.
  • Reframing cold outreach as a game with a numeric target — aim for 100 rejections — makes repeated rejection tolerable enough to keep going.
  • A persistent per-project context file lets an AI assistant retain formatting and workflow rules across sessions instead of re-explaining the setup every time.
  • Saving a reusable style 'skill' per project keeps AI-generated shorts visually consistent without re-specifying captions, colors, or layout in every prompt.
  • The more expensive, higher-capability AI model earns its cost during heavy research and tool-calling phases; a lighter model is sufficient once the workflow is already set up.
  • In-person guest recording builds a stronger personal connection, but online recording produces content returns faster — the right choice depends on whether the goal is relationship or volume.
Takeaway

How one operator ran an entire podcast through Claude Code.

AI CONTENT SYSTEM

The leverage in an AI-run content pipeline comes from consistent project structure, reusable style rules, and transcript-driven prompting, not from any single clever prompt.

  • Scrape a prospective guest's full back-catalog of past interviews into a searchable index before scripting anything, so you can find an angle nobody has used yet.
  • When brainstorming an angle or hook with an AI, ask for 100 options and read all of them — a narrow single-answer prompt tends to produce a generic result.
  • Build a loose framework instead of a word-for-word script for interviews; staying reactive to what the guest just said produces better follow-up questions than reciting prepared ones.
  • Put disproportionate effort into the intro specifically — it pays off the promise made in the thumbnail and decides whether a click turns into a watch.
  • To turn one long recording into short clips, feed an AI the full transcript with speaker labels and timestamps, then ask it to find and classify emotionally compelling moments.
  • Rank short-form hooks by the emotion they're likely to trigger, weighting fear and other negative emotions more heavily — they measurably outperform neutral or positive hooks.
  • Treat every plausible clip as worth publishing rather than pre-selecting favorites; post on a fixed daily cadence and let real performance data tell you which ones to double down on.
  • Automate music selection by tagging a personal song library with the emotion of the reels each track was pulled from, then matching that tag against the emotion of the new clip.
  • Reframe cold outreach and rejection as a game with a numeric target — for example, 100 rejections before you expect a win — rather than a pass/fail judgment on each ask.
  • Save reusable style rules — caption position, color palette, font — as a named 'skill' per project so an AI assistant applies them consistently without re-explaining every session.
  • Keep a persistent context file inside each project folder so an AI assistant retains formatting and workflow rules across sessions instead of starting from zero each time.
  • Reserve the more expensive, higher-capability AI model for research and heavy tool-calling phases, then switch to a cheaper model once the workflow and formatting rules are already established.
  • Watch for automation tools that bill per contact rather than per message sent — a single viral post can turn a 'free' DM funnel into a five-figure bill overnight.
  • A five-minute prompt sent from a phone between other tasks is enough to keep an unattended content pipeline moving, if the underlying project structure and rules are already set up.
Glossary

Terms worth knowing.

CLAUDE.md
A markdown file kept inside a project folder that tells an AI coding assistant the goals, sources, and formatting rules for that project, so they don't need to be re-explained every session.
Claude Code skill
A saved, reusable set of instructions — such as caption placement or color rules — that an AI coding assistant applies automatically to a given type of task without the rules being retyped each time.
Remote control (Claude mobile)
A feature in Claude's mobile app that lets a user send prompts to an active Claude Code session running on their computer directly from their phone.
Tiering (content ranking)
Sorting finished short-form clips into performance tiers, best to worst, so the strongest clips get priority placement in a posting schedule.
Resources

Things they pointed at.

04:40channelMaker School (community)
09:10bookThink and Grow Rich
13:00productOffset Studios, Calgary (podcast studio + camera/color work shoutout)
15:50productHubSpot — free 'Complete Guide to Claude AI' prompt document (sponsor read)
17:30toolChrome DevTools / Claude Chrome extension (for scraping YouTube transcripts)
21:40toolvideo-use and Remotion (Claude Code video-editing skills/repos)
33:00toolClaude Opus (heard on the recording as "Opus 4.7" — likely a transcription mishearing of the actual Anthropic model name)
33:10toolFable (referenced as a tool Lazaros does not currently use / can't afford)
39:10toolGitHub (backs up his full project workspace)
42:10toolOpenRouter / OpenAI API key (GPT image generation for thumbnails)
42:20toolSupabase (optional long-term data storage)
47:30toolOpen-source Shazam-style song-identification model
52:30channelDiary of a CEO (Steven Bartlett) — question style + music inspiration
55:50toolXerneo (free-for-2-accounts posting/DM scheduler)
56:40toolManyChat (DM automation — dropped over per-contact billing)
1:02:30toolClaude mobile app — remote control of an active Claude Code session
Quotables

Lines you could clip.

02:30
I refuse to use anything else.
Short, absolute, self-contained brand statement about Claude CodeTikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
05:00
I just texted him twice a day until he showed up.
Concrete, funny, proof-of-persistence line from the cold-outreach storyIG reel cold open↗ Tweet quote
16:40
My usual prompt is give me a 100 different angles that I can go for. I read all of them. 99% of them are completely horrible, and then you find one that kind of works.
The single most copyable prompting tactic in the episodenewsletter pull-quote↗ Tweet quote
21:40
The most challenging part and the most important part, at least in my opinion, is the intro because it decides after people click.
Names the central production principle in one lineTikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
25:50
What is gonna make me feel the most amount of difference from what I'm feeling right now, which is a brain rot?
Vivid framing of the emotion-ranking logic behind his hooksIG reel cold open↗ Tweet quote
33:20
All of the shorts that you mentioned were all made in a single day and then scheduled for two weeks.
The proof-of-batching flex that anchors the video's whole promiseTikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
36:40
It's not necessarily getting the no. It's how far can you go before you get the no.
Reframes rejection as a measurable metric instead of a verdictnewsletter pull-quote↗ Tweet quote
41:00
Unfortunately, humans experience negative emotion at a much larger scale than positive ones.
Blunt, quotable justification for the fear-weighted hook strategyTikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
48:20
If you see that piece of music being used across multiple reels that their transcript conveys fear, it then probably means that song is about fear.
The clearest explanation of the automated music-to-emotion matching tricknewsletter pull-quote↗ Tweet quote
57:30
If I were to use ManyChat for this specific thing, I would have paid $6,000.
Shocking concrete number, functions as a cautionary-tale hookTikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
1:04:10
If you have the vision and you are able to communicate it with Claude, you'll basically be able to turn it to life with just words. It's like speaking to an editor.
Closing thesis line for the entire AI-as-collaborator argumentIG reel cold open↗ Tweet quote
Topic Map

Where the conversation goes.

00:0013:24denseOrigin story + guest outreach (Kiriakou, Saraev)
13:2423:36denseClaude Code research, angle-finding, and scripting workflow
23:3635:09denseShort-form repurposing system — hooks, emotion ranking
35:0938:45steadyMindset: rejection as a game
38:4551:57denseWorkspace structure + automated music-emotion matching
51:571:02:12densePublishing, tiering, and automation-tool economics
1:02:121:06:32sparseRemote workflow + close
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00:00Within five weeks, you grew your channel to 2.7 k. Your video views is 6,180,000
00:06views. Most challenging part and the most important part is the intro. First, you have the angle that you're going to include into your thumbnail.
00:12And then when people click, you need to give them what you send to the thumbnail immediately. How did you even get started with this YouTube channel? This is gonna be a very funny story.
00:21I turned behind me, and I see John Kiriakou, the ex CIA officer. And I was like, what do I have to lose to ask him to come on my podcast?
00:28And so I did. I asked him. He gave me a phone number, and I just texted him twice a day until he showed up.
00:33For those of them who scared to go out and ask for these things, what advice do you have for them? The way I was able to get a bit more extroverted is I started seeing it as more of a game. Tell me your the whole process because you're using 99% of blog code.
00:47What is the very first step that I should follow? I refuse to use anything else. All of these shorts that you mentioned were all made in a single day and then scheduled for two weeks.
00:56If somebody's staying until the end of this podcast, what is one value they're going to gain out of this podcast today?
01:05Hey, Lazaros. I am so happy that you're here today. I personally have so many questions about you in general because you grew your channel really fast.
01:16I mean, within five weeks, you grew your channel to, like, 2.7 k, and your video views within five weeks is 6,180,000 views, which is insane.
01:28And the people that you're bringing for your podcast, they're top tier. So we wanna hear from you how you're doing this starting from zero.
01:35Honestly, last year, you told me off the camera, you're going door to door last year, and you're a little bit lost. But now you have a client who's doing 8 figure business.
01:45It's just everything is just happening all at once, it feels like. So I wanna hear more from you.
01:51The very first question that I wanna ask is if somebody's staying until the end of this podcast,
01:56what is one value they're going to gain out of this podcast today? I would say, first of all, from a mindset perspective, they're going to understand why it's so important to leverage AI for anything that is that you want to do, and that is business, content creation, or even a hobby. But, also, if you're more interested on the podcast podcast side of things, you're gonna know how to basically produce a whole podcast from beginning to end using Cloud Code.
02:19I love that. And you told me that you are using 99% using Cloud Code this whole thing.
02:26I I refuse to use anything else.
02:28You refuse to use anything else. Oh, that's awesome.
02:32You know what? So let's actually deep dive into that. But before we walk through where you walk us through the exact formula because today, you're gonna walk us through how you turn into long form video to short form video, and your short form average is about 50 k per short form.
02:50So we are gonna learn all of that because you're using ClawCode to do it. But I just wanna get into how did you even get started with this YouTube channel. What was your thought behind that?
03:00So it's gonna be a very funny story
03:02of how it started because it honestly fell in my lap. And I'm very very big believer of if you show up every single day, and you will be able to recognize opportunities. And when they just fall in front of of you, you'll be able to capitalize on them, and that is exactly what happened.
03:16As I mentioned to you off camera, I've been working on my business on myself for the past year. Before that, I was in university and also I tried a lot a lot of different side hustles including including drop shipping, TikTok shop, SMMA, and all of them failed.
03:31But every single attempt that you make is not really a failure if you learn. And so I've been attending Maker School, which is a community where we met from.
03:42And during that time, I learned how to make Loom videos, which is how you get clients off of Upwork, called Outreach, so on and so forth. And that's how I learned to speak and maybe socialize, I guess. My first language is not English.
03:54It is Greek, so it definitely improved my spoken English as well. And one day, was back in Cyprus, and I was eating at a tavern, just a very traditional low key tavern.
04:04Not a lot of people know it, only the locals do. And I turned behind me and I see John the ex CIA officer.
04:13And I turned to my dad, and I'm like, do you know this guy? Do you know who he is? And surprising him, but that's very not very much up to date with, uh, the current celebrities, but he did know John Kiriago.
04:23It's like, you have to go speak to him. So I walked up, gave him my a handshake, and to my surprise, he stood up and started talking to me for quite a bit of time. And he was very friendly, very outgoing, and I was like, what do I have to lose to ask him to come on my podcast?
04:39Which, by the way, I didn't have at all. And so I did. I asked him.
04:43He gave me a phone number, and I just texted him twice a day until he showed up. Oh my god. That's so true.
04:49That's pretty much the story. You texted him twice a day? Is that what you said?
04:53And did did he not respond at first? Or how did that work? So he's a very busy guy when I would send him one text a day to figure out the logistics, and then I was bumping it at the end of the day.
05:04And he would always get back to me. He was always very, uh, friendly and very keen on making it happen.
05:11And after a few of, uh, back and forths, I was able to book a studio, do my research using Cloud Code, and have him on the podcast. Gotcha.
05:20So I just wanna clarify. When you met him in person, you asked him if he can join the podcast, and he said yes. Correct?
05:26Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
05:27And then you were texting him, like, twice a day just to figure out the logistics and so that he didn't forget about you. Exactly.
05:35Exactly. And you recently got Nick Sarayev in on your channel too.
05:40Like, that's a great video, by the way. If you haven't watched it, go ahead and watch it because it's amazing. But you asked some really, really good questions.
05:48So I wanna get into how you're coming up with these questions for your podcast.
05:53But then before you do that, tell us the story how you got Nick on your podcast. So after I got John Kiriakou on, I posted the video. It was doing pretty well.
06:03And as we're part of the community, there's a section where you can post your wins. I was like, might as well post it on there as well.
06:09Uh, Nick actually saw the video. He commented right under it.
06:13And I was like, again, what do I have to lose to just reach out? So I used one of the one of his techniques that he's teaching in Maker School, so making a Loom video, and I used it against him in a way. Sent it to him, and surprising again, he said yes.
06:27So that very same week, so five days later, I was in a flight to Canada for sixteen hours where we made the podcast happen. Oh, that's awesome.
06:37So what did you say in the Loom video? I was like, hey, Nick. You I hope you recognize me from the John Kiragu podcast.
06:44Just like I shot my shot with him, I wanna share it with you. I spoke to a lot of people because I'm part of the same accountability group as you are. And, um, I asked, uh, the people in the group chat, hey, guys.
06:55What questions would you have for Nick? And everyone was very interested in his story, and so I pitched that idea to him. And I guess he liked it, and so we made it happen.
07:03Dude, I feel like you're really good at prepping, but also
07:07manifest is that how you call it? Manifesting?
07:10Manifesting that it will come because you act as if it happened because I wasn't part of that group. Right? And when I read it, I'm like, does this guy already got Nick?
07:19Because it just sounded like you already got him, which is kind of part of this attracting people to you.
07:25So that's amazing.
07:27Because I wanna touch on that, sorry for interrupting, but about the manifesting thing, it's very funny because are you familiar with the book Think and Grow Rich? One of the aspects is you need to write things down that you want to happen, you want to, let's say, manifest. But I don't think it's necessarily manifesting as it is you are a bit more aware of what you're looking for, like, in the long run.
07:45And so in the short run, you take better decisions to reach that end goal. Like, imagine all of the decisions in a logic tree. If you have alongside, you know where to go given the situation.
07:56And what's funny is that one of the sections from Think and Grow Rich says, write down the people you want to associate with to reach your goal. And, uh, one was Nick, and I did meet him, like, six months later after writing it down. And then there were two other people, which I'm not gonna mention yet, and I'm meeting that one other person in two weeks time, which is kinda crazy.
08:17Wow. And how how are you meeting that person, that secret guest? For your YouTube, I'm guessing.
08:22Is that right? Yeah. For the podcast.
08:24Yeah. Are you meeting that person? Like, how did you get if you don't mind just sharing the story?
08:29Maybe I can share, but I'm gonna keep it a bit more secret as of now just to build up a bit more suspense about the episode. But that particular person has a very strong personal brand. He is has collaborated with Whoop in the past.
08:43He has created one of their branches of how they're generating revenue right now, and I had a very funny connection. My cousin had a friend whose friend's brother was that guy.
08:54And so I reached out, and I'm like, hey. I interviewed John Gerago. Would you be willing to hop on the podcast?
08:59And she just responded with yes just yesterday. Oh, gosh. That is so cool.
09:03I love it. But I'm curious, like, what made you fly all the way to Canada? Well, I mean, when you send someone a cold email and they respond extremely positively and you promise them something, you have to follow through.
09:14So that was pretty much it. That's awesome.
09:17When you started content, did you have anything in mind? I know it was kinda hand it happened randomly a little bit cause you got this amazing guest, so you started your channel.
09:28Mhmm. But did you have anything back of my mind as an example? Like, I wanna build my personal brand or I wanna be, like, the number top one when it comes to podcast.
09:38Do did you have anything like that? So I definitely knew I wanted to start a personal brand because it's one of the greatest assets you can have. We definitely live in an attention economy,
09:47and you have the power to collectively influence the consciousness of people. You can do whatever you want.
09:54So okay. I know that sounded a bit bad, but it's like, you can turn it into good or you can turn it into revenue. You can influence people's lives, and I think that's very, very important.
10:04I never knew exactly what it was gonna look like, but I think the podcast format,
10:09I'm very much liking at the moment. That's awesome. And English is not your native, like you said.
10:14You were learning how to actually
10:16articulate or how to pronounce or how to learn, like, English in general while you're learning about the sales pitch for through Loom videos. Let's talk about, uh, when you first started your podcast, right, which was five weeks ago. Did you have any some sort of confidence issue or when it comes to English, anything like that?
10:35Not necessarily about English, but about tonality and the level of my voice. It was definitely the I would say the only thing I would change about the interview with John and how it went. But if you've never done never been on camera before, at least in a studio setting with studio lights, microphones, I've never held a mic in the past, and you have John Kiriakou, which has been on the diary of a CEO.
10:56He has been on Joe Rogan, gotten tens of millions of views.
11:00You're bound to get stressed, and so my voice was a bit lowered. Oh, yeah. But that was a great podcast.
11:06Don't even stress out about that. But how did you prep yourself mentally Mhmm.
11:11During that crazy setting? Oh, I didn't. Oh, you didn't?
11:16I did. I I mean, I didn't have the time.
11:20It was John, do you wanna hop on my podcast? Three days later, I was filming it. So not enough time to process, and I think that's very important in anything you want to do.
11:28Same as I've done skydiving in the past, and
11:32I took the decision to skydive. Next week, I was skydiving, didn't have the time to back out, and never looked back. And then you just flew off the plane.
11:39That's what it is. Yeah. Like, literally.
11:42Like the podcast. Yeah. Are you more of a if I get the prompting, I just have to act on it type of person?
11:48Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.
11:51So do you act before you think? Sometimes, and that can lead into something that's extremely good or extremely bad.
11:58So I I am getting better at picking my battles with that. Still early. Yeah.
12:03That's that's good. So you're rather choosing some good decisions rather compared to bad decisions so that it can just focus and you can attract the right Exactly. Yeah.
12:13Exactly. Alright. Let's talk about Clog Code, Nazaros.
12:16This is what a lot of people are curious about because if Mhmm. Some of you who are listening right now, if they haven't started their content let's just pretend I'm I'm that person. I wanna be like you.
12:26Like, with just one video, I pop up, and I have this fancy people on my channel, but that's kinda unrealistic, to be honest. But with Cloud Code, they can start their content because I'm a busy mama, and I have a full time job, and I just have no time.
12:44So if you're talking to that person who's really busy but who wants simple content creation, like, I wanna hear the whole process. So if you don't mind, just share whatever you can, your screen. Tell me your
12:57the whole process because you you're using 99% of Cloud Code. What is the very first step that I should follow? Well, it's definitely prep.
13:05But before I go into any deeper of how I work, I don't feel like I'm very qualified to give this sort of advice. But I'm gonna tell you what I did at least for myself, how and why it worked, and then you can relate it to your particular niche. So anything I say now is about the podcast format, but it definitely works across the board.
13:23Anything you create in content is split into three parts. It's, uh, is it post preproduction, production, and postproduction.
13:31So for preproduction, I would say doing your research is extremely important, and it has never ever ever been easier to do research than ever with ClotCode. What I personally did for my podcast with John is I wanted to first nail down the angle because John has been in very many podcasts, and a lot of them did extremely well, but a lot of them kind of pretty much failed, I would say.
13:55So I wanted to have a unique angle because so many store so many of his stories are out there, and I wanted to basically differentiate myself. One of those factors was Cyprus. So I asked him about the geopolitical aspect of Cyprus.
14:10If you're unaware, we're split in two. There was big war almost seventy years ago. It's split in half, and he's part Cypriot.
14:17So I wanted to capture that audience. So finding a gap in your particular niche in your market to capitalize on as well as AI, where this is going, what how does he think surveillance state is going to evolve, so on and so forth.
14:31But I didn't reach those conclusions immediately. I basically had clot code, scrape all of his podcasts, all of his transcripts, put it in an index file, and then I started asking him questions.
14:42What are the most asked questions that I should avoid? I noted that down. And what are some areas he hasn't talked or expressed his opinions about?
14:50Hey. Real quick. If you're using Claude, but you still feel like you're only using 10% of what it can actually do, I found this free guide.
14:58It's called the complete guide to Claude AI, and it breaks down exactly how you can set this up as a real assistant, not just a chatbot. And that's exactly where we wanna get to.
15:08And everything in here in this document is actually copy and paste ready, so you can just start everything immediately. Just copy the prompt here right away. It walks through different projects.
15:19Basically, Claude is giving its own memory for a specific part of your work, which is the best part. So you're not really having to reexplain the whole process, whole context one at a time. So this document specifically has a lot of different feature, and you can use AI as your assistant.
15:37And one of them is like a new data analysis. You can use that, but my personal favorite is content. So, basically, I'm all about content, and here's a content marketing AI executive assistant that you can just copy and paste.
15:50So this is pretty much telling you what it is in here, but for you, what I suggest you to do is just copy the prompt over here, and that's it. And you make this work.
16:02And I'll put this link in the description below so you can get this for free, and thanks to HubSpot for sponsoring this video.
16:09So you're asking ClotCode to find that angle? After scraping to make sure you have the correct dataset that you want to query about. Gotcha.
16:17So you're scraping, and then what did you use exactly? Did you use ClotCode during this time, or did you use ClotCode?
16:23ClotCode
16:24every time, all the time. I don't Every time, all the time. Gotcha.
16:27I love it. All the time. What model did you use?
16:29Mhmm. 4.7
16:31at the time, Opus 4.7.
16:33And I used Chrome Dev Tools for it to be able to navigate YouTube itself, and then it would just copy paste the transcript section at the bottom right. Oh, okay. Are you talking about the good Claude extensions on Google Chrome?
16:46Yep. Okay. Gotcha.
16:48And then you're pretty much having Claude do the whole thing. That's what it is. Scraping the data and then you find the unique angle.
16:53That's not necessarily coming from you. It's Claude suggesting those unique angle. Is that right?
17:00Some of them. So Claude is pretty hit or miss. So it's basically a very good back and forth.
17:06What I really like to do with Claude for brainstorming is because if you ask it to give you one particular response, it's gonna be very narrow minded. So I my usual prompt is give me a 100 different angles that I can go for.
17:18I read all of them. 99% of them are completely horrible, and then you find one that kind of works, and you tweak and work with Claude to reach to that conclusion.
17:27Okay. That totally makes sense. You tweak it and then make this work.
17:31What about for Nick? How did you find the unique angle for him? I think we spoke about this off camera.
17:36Maybe I might have mentioned it, um, here in the podcast as well, but I'm part of our community in our group. Yeah. And I basically asked people, what do you guys want to see?
17:46Because it's the direct audience that I'm speaking to, and I have a direct channel of communication with them as well. And so the story angle really, really
17:53landed well, I believe. Oh, gotcha. So that's how you found it.
17:57You bay basically reaching out from other people to see what the audience actually wants to hear about this person specifically. Exactly. Okay.
18:04That's great. K. Now I got the scraping part done.
18:07Let's just say I have this one person I will invite to podcast. I did scraping using Cloud Code, Cloud Extensions, and then I found the unique angle.
18:16What is the next step?
18:18It's to make a script almost that shouldn't be too rigid, at least for a podcast format. If you want to relate this into a particular to another niche, let's say AI, you would need to have sort of like a framework saying, here, I wanna talk I wanna make an intro and then have a couple of bullet points.
18:37Then I want to make a demo and have a couple of bullet points. But I believe if you try to follow a script word for word, it definitely breaks the the fluency and the way the flow and the momentum of the content.
18:52So I would say definitely have a framework and then be able to work off of what the guest is saying. Be ready to adapt. And something that I did in the John Kiriaku podcast, every time he was mentioning something at the end of his sentence, I took that and then sort of maneuvered it, had a follow-up sentence to bring it onto one of the questions I had on my iPad,
19:14which I think worked well. Okay. So your brain just had to work really fast in order for you to do that.
19:19You're like, okay. The end sentence,
19:21does it match with one of the questions that I have? Is that what you're saying? I I almost was not listening to what you were saying.
19:28I was trying to grab onto what you were saying at any of that moment and try in to
19:35remember what questions I had and which one it relates to the most and how can I connect it to the next So it's not like you have all the questions prepped and then ask that specific question? You just have to be a little bit more flexible when it comes to asking questions. And Yeah.
19:50That's crazy. Yeah. Asking really good questions.
19:52So let's just say I got the script done. Right? The framework.
19:56What is the next step after the script? Um, recording, obviously, that's a little bit that's more obvious. Right?
20:02That's a little bit different setting. Let's just say we got the recording done. K?
20:05Because recording is different. I'm guessing you're not using hot code to record your video. Not yet.
20:11Not yet. Okay.
20:12But what is the next step? Let's just say I got the recording done for with this person.
20:18How can I actually edit the video? This takes the most time. This is the most frustrating
20:23part for my audience. It's like, how do I edit the video? That's a tough question at least for the long form podcast because there's really not too much editing going on.
20:32So if you install any Clothe code skills slash repo that has capabilities of editing videos such as video use or remotion, if you just give the raw footage and tell it, Claude, can you please edit my podcast so that it switches the angle every time someone's speaking?
20:48It can just do that right off the box, which is pretty neat. But the most challenging part and the most important part, at least in my opinion, is the intro because it decides after people click.
21:00So first, you have the angle that you're going to include into your thumbnail. And then when people click, you need to give them what you send to the thumbnail immediately. And so what I did with Nick, I have three separate angles, a b testing currently at the moment, that I believe three separate or different audiences are gonna be interested in to watch what Nick has to say, but the intro addresses all three.
21:24And so it the payoff happens instantly. And if you put all of your effort into the intro, then you can maximize the number of people that are sticking around till the end.
21:34So for the full transparency,
21:36Nazaros, you have an editor for your long form. Is that right? For the intro.
21:41Correct. For the just for the intro. And then for the rest of it, you don't.
21:44But then for your short form, you don't have any editor. It's just all cloud code doing it.
21:49At Yes. At the Yeah. No.
21:52It's working really well. So I don't think you need to hire somebody for that because it's working really well, performing amazingly. If you don't mind sharing us, how did you actually come up with the process?
22:02People are watching this right now. How can they actually copy or
22:07the process? I'm not talking about the content. Okay.
22:10So I would take a few steps back to talk about how I work for the intro because then it translates for the shorts. It's basically the same framework. If you have the recording and you download it on your device, then you can just say to Claude, hey.
22:23Access that video, transcribe it, and put, uh, who's speaking, when, and then the timestamps right next to it. And then you basically have a a way to interact with your video. So for my different angles that I had, I went to Claude and I said, I have this three different angles for my intro.
22:41I want to have a storyline where I first talk about x person story and then have rapid fire interesting back and forth questions at the end. Can you please read through the entirety of the transcript and find me clips that go with my script that I have for my intro?
22:57And so it creates almost this framework this wireframe for you to work off of. And it's the same way I use it to make my shorts. After I published the video, I this is literally the only thing I said to Claude.
23:10Go into the transcript, and I want you to analyze every single line every single line one by one. I want you to help me prepare shorts for my long form content.
23:21I want it to be around a minute to maybe two minutes long at the maximum. Like, you're pushing emotion to the to the other person.
23:29Inducing emotion, inducing hook at the beginning. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha.
23:34Like story. Okay. Yeah.
23:35Exactly. So Claude to basically classify them by feeling. And I wanted to see what would the viewer feel, and so that's how I rank them from best to worst.
23:45After I had the hooks and said fear, uh, greed, happiness, again, gratefulness, you said which ones has the most so let's say I'm aimlessly doom scrolling.
23:56What is gonna make me feel the most amount of difference from what I'm feeling right now, which is a brain rot, let's say. And so after finding those very compelling hooks, I said to Claude, can you just make the whole clip, make make the whole scripts?
24:11And after making the scripts for the clips, you then just have to make one land in the style that you want, and I can show you live if you like. Yes.
24:20For visual person, I would love to learn. Yeah.
24:24Of course. Create a skill, and then once you have that landed, you can just say to Claude, one by one, run all of the all of the clips that you have prepared for me. You review them, and then publish them through Xerneo.
24:36And then I schedule everything through Xerneo, through Clone Code. That's awesome. Alright.
24:41That's a lot of war a lot of content right there, Nazaros. I would love to see,
24:46like, what you're actually talking about when it comes to the fear emotion, which is so smart, by the way. I haven't used that before.
24:54So I'm gonna steal that strategy, by the way. Was like, those are really, really good. But share with us what you're exactly seeing in ClawCode if you don't mind, and I would love to see if they are putting in the Excel doc or Google doc or whatever.
25:08Like, how do you even look at it? Before we move into that, I just want to say that all of the shorts that you mentioned were all made in a single day and then scheduled
25:15for two weeks. Oh, nice. Which is pretty clear.
25:18Yeah. That's why. That's how you can actually work and create content on the side.
25:23Right? Exactly. Cloud Code.
25:25And hit 6,000,000 views in in two weeks. That's crazy. And to be fair, the majority of the views were from short form, so it's definitely the way to go.
25:35So this is what he was talking about when it comes to Shorts. Can you actually click the popular? What is the most view that you got from Shorts?
25:42Oh, that's the 1,000,000. Yeah. Wow.
25:44Yeah. Yeah. That one Wow.
25:46That's awesome. And you're using emotion for this part. Correct?
25:50I'm using? You're you're using, uh, because you talked about emotions, like fear or scarcity.
25:56What emotion did you use for this specific video? For all of them, it was almost always fear. Especially, the the reason I landed on that is because I scraped, as I mentioned, all of the titles as well as the transcripts from all of John's, um, interviews, and almost all of them played on fear because, unfortunately, humans experience negative emotion at a much larger scale than positive ones.
26:20And so I linked more into that. And, uh, this one this particular short is talking about how the Iron Dome is not what is cracked up to be. And a lot of people are very emotionally charged about, uh, at least geopolitics
26:35and a particular nation at the moment. And so I think this is why this has really blown up. So it's not like a random short of the random clip.
26:42You actually did a research before you have ClockCode made it. So it's pretty much you behind the whole scene. Right?
26:48Exactly. Okay. Exactly.
26:50And if you don't mind going over your Cloud Code and then show us the whole process,
26:54Nazareth. Love to love to learn from you. So I'm gonna try and do my best because, unfortunately, I'm very close to my limit.
27:04So we're gonna see how far we can go. What what limit? I mean, what plan do you have with with Clockpit?
27:09101, but Fable has been brutal.
27:11$200 and your Yeah. You use your limit?
27:16Yeah. You can see.
27:18Yeah. It's kinda crazy. And you have to wait for until July 10?
27:22Tomorrow. Yeah. For Tomorrow.
27:24Okay. Gotcha. I was like, when is July 10?
27:26Tomorrow.
27:27After this podcast, I'm gonna take the day off and just pick up work tomorrow. I don't necessarily have a particular framework, and I think anyone that tries to copy someone else's framework is a bit wrong.
27:38So I'm just gonna walk you through my particular thought process. So I'm gonna work on this live.
27:43Mhmm. I don't have any shorts lined up for the Nick video as it was just published yesterday. So first thing I want to do is to analyze my content, analyze the colors that I'm using, and then analyze the angles.
27:58So for this particular podcast with Nick, it was very dim, very dimly lit, very brownish, and so you have to choose the color of your captions, first of all.
28:09And so with my editor, we work together. Let me mute that. And we landed on this particular format, which is yellow and white, which I think looks pretty clean.
28:18I'm curious about this whole process. The color grade, is that something that editor did, or is that something that you use ClawCode? You talked about this is, like, brownish color.
28:28Right? Like Yeah. Dark thingy.
28:30Is that because that's color grade on editing, I'm guessing, as well as setup a little bit. So did your editor did that, the whole process, or did you? So I flew out.
28:40I found a pretty neat studio, which is what you're seeing right now. And then the people that were operating the cameras at the moment, very helpful. Uh, I love them.
28:47Maybe huge shout out to Offset Studios in Calgary, and they just basically optimized the colors before sending over the raw files, and it just looks fantastic.
28:57Oh, nice. That's perfect. If you don't mind me asking for the intro, you're only having your editor do the intro.
29:03How did you find your editor, and how much are you paying this editor? Yeah. Funny story, actually.
29:08And I'm letting this video play because I wanna take a screenshot of the captions as we speak. But Mhmm. The I had the podcast with John Kirago, and the owner of the podcast studio recommended me this guy.
29:21He said he's a bit expensive. So I tried my luck with Upwork, and I was horribly disappointed, unfortunately.
29:27And I was very desperate to get something of quality, especially having John on the podcast. So I reached out to the guy. Phenomenal performance, obviously, and he charges $80 per minute of intro of this level of quality of animation.
29:43And I I would say he's worth every single penny. Amazing work, honestly. This is at least I'm doing a bit of prep on how I want it to look.
29:52And so as you've seen my previous shorts, they're vertical. I think this particular scene with Nick looks pretty good in the horizontal format, and I've seen a lot of other podcasts doing this in short form where you don't necessarily cut onto Nick.
30:08So it wouldn't be a vertical, uh, sort of aspect ratio. It will have it would be a horizontal.
30:13And that's what I wanna do. But before we go into the styling, let's talk with Claude. And I'm gonna say, hey, Claude.
30:19So I want to work on my shorts for my Nick, uh, Survive podcast. I want you to analyze the transcript word by word, and I want you to find the most compelling hooks and storylines for my shorts.
30:33I'm gonna pause it right there because something that I will improve from my previous shorts is that I didn't include myself too much into the clips. So now I'm gonna tell Claude, I want the hook to be me asking a question and then Nick answering. Every single hook should be me asking a question, and feel free to shorten that question so that it's extremely punchy and the watcher can get the payoff as soon as possible.
30:58So me asking the question should be a maximum of three seconds. Cut it as you see fit, and then have Nick answer that to the maximum of forty seconds. So the short should be anywhere from forty seconds to a minute and twenty seconds.
31:15After you scrape everything, I want you to categorize what emotion the viewer is going to be feeling. Obviously, negative emotions have a more detrimental effect on the person, and so those, I want you to add a bit more of of a weighting to them and then rank them from best to worst for us to decide.
31:36I know it's a long prompt. Appreciate it. That's a that's a whole your brain behind this.
31:40Right? That's your prompt. I love this.
31:42Thanks for sharing your prompt with us. Some people are curious about how did you even get to that point, which is the prompt. So appreciate you showing us this.
31:50Of course. This is so cool. I love the emotion part because that's perfect for the hook, especially for shorts.
31:56So you're making viewers feel a certain way after watching this video. Right?
32:01And I'm guessing for Nick, what emotion do you wanna bring out of the people? I guess I'm gonna go from for the emotions that I chose for the intro, and one is FOMO, fear of missing out. People feel like AI is taking over the world, they wanna choose the right side of history.
32:16If you can't beat them, join them. So FOMO is a big one. Fear is another one.
32:20I really like fear. I feel like fear is an emotion just like any other emotion, just people are a bit uncomfortable experiencing it, and that's why it has a big effect when people are watching. And then I would also say Mhmm.
32:31Motivation would be another one. So how to make it, how to be able to manifest,
32:36how to make things happen. So you're kinda creating this FOMO and fear so that people know they can choose the right side when it comes to AI and then motivate them eventually that they can do this as well. Exactly.
32:49Right. Thank you. Thank you for that question, actually.
32:52I might throw that in there.
32:54I want you to explore the emotion of FOMO, fear of missing out, the emotion of fear, as well as motivation, and how Nick is gonna teach them how to get to their goals.
33:06And just send that in there. For the prepping part, when it comes to scraping and also prepping for the script, how long did it take you to prep for that part, initial part? Mhmm.
33:17For which particular podcast or just like scraping this person's information as well as prepping some questions, like scripting. Yeah. How long did that process take you?
33:27So twenty percent of that process, maybe even 10% of that process was the scraping, but then Claude is surprisingly horrible at making the questions.
33:36So it does everything so well, which was crazy, but I had to actually sit down and write the questions that I had on my mind because my thought process is I'm just a regular guy, and I have these questions that I really want this person to tell me.
33:52Like, I'm genuinely curious. And if I'm curious about these questions, then I'm pretty sure a lot of other people are as well.
33:58And my thought process was do the scraping, have the index, so being able giving the ability to Claude to be able to research what they said in the past, and then just brain dumping my questions and letting Claude reframe them. Something pretty neat I did as well is I scraped all of the questions from the diary of a CEO, so all of, um, the host's part as well as Jack Neil.
34:22And I told Claude to
34:24translate my questions in the way that they asked them. So you're scraping you're getting inspired by other creators as well, like what they have used, and then you're turning turning that into your own style.
34:34Right? Exactly. Exactly.
34:36Okay.
34:37You were a door knocker a year ago. Mhmm. Right?
34:39Mhmm. It's pretty scary to door knock. I door knocked in the past, like, tens of thousands of doors, a lot a ton of doors in the past.
34:47It's pretty scary every single time. It doesn't matter how many times you do it. You just don't know who you're gonna get and the answer you're gonna get.
34:54Is do you think that helped you when it comes to asking for podcasts or cold DM, cold outreach?
35:02Because I like your mindset. You said, I'm not gonna lose anything. So Mhmm.
35:05For those of them who scared to go out and ask for these things, what advice do you have for them? Oh, this is gonna sound very funny. So I was pretty I was a pretty introverted kid.
35:15The way I was able to get a bit more extroverted is I started seeing it as more of a game. Because every time you interact with someone, it's like going to the casino.
35:25Let's say you play blackjack. You don't know the card that you're gonna get next, and that is how you get that dopamine hit. Same is with socializing, interacting, knocking on doors.
35:33If you can get excited of what kind of person am I going to speak to, how can I get from a to b with this particular person? Each particular person is a challenge.
35:43Each individual person works differently, and they have their particular way that they respond to.
35:48And so I see it like a game, like a puzzle that I can solve. And each time, I just try to get better. And so if you're worried, just start playing.
35:57Aim for failures. Say, my goal is to get rejected a 100 times, and I promise you, you're gonna get your first win before you reach that. You made the game out of the whole failure system.
36:07I love that. That's that's super cool.
36:10Oh, I'm gonna take I gotta write this down. Like, I'm just thinking.
36:14Yes. Because it it for even for me too, I get a little bit scared when it when it comes to saying no people saying no to me, which is insane because I've been heard no multiple times.
36:25I've been in sales industry over ten plus years, so I should know this better. But each time when people say no, I just kinda relate that to me even though it's not. It's my product.
36:34It's my services. But so that's really good to hear that,
36:38you know, you're playing game out of this, then eventually, you're gonna get better. Yeah. It's not necessarily getting the no.
36:44It's how far can you go before you get the no. If you get the no instantly, that's worse than getting very close to the sale and not getting the no because now you know I can take you 90% of the way there.
36:55I just need to get better at that 10%.
36:57Yeah. I love that. So good.
37:00Your next person, you already got this person. The third, you talk you mentioned three people. The last person, you're gonna use connections,
37:09I'm guessing Yeah. Or anything that you can. After getting if if you're guest on the post podcast, you can leverage that in the sense that you get authority just by correlation.
37:19And then if you're with the people that you meet, you can just ask them to connect you to someone.
37:25If there's a genuine connection between you and the person you meet, they're be gonna be more than willing to connect you forward.
37:32That's awesome. Alright. Let's talk about money part.
37:35Like, how much did it cost for you to do this whole thing excluding the flight?
37:42Excluding the flight. Oh my god. That was almost all of it.
37:45That's like a third of it. Oh, really?
37:47Okay. Yeah. But I I personally wouldn't go on an on I wouldn't personally, for the first video ever, say, do an online podcast because in person, you get a different connection with the person you're connecting.
38:01So if your goal is to connect with as many people as possible, in person works the best. But if your goal is to make as much content and as fast as possible, then do online. So it depends on your goal.
38:12And and Cloud just finished. So I see both aspects, but one is a long term play and the other one is I I wouldn't say a short term, but you definitely see the returns a lot more instantly with the online just like we're doing now.
38:24Because we're coming through. Off the clock code. Like, you're doing everything from here.
38:28It's literally giving everything here. Because for me, I use Excel, like Google Sheets,
38:33and then it's putting everything there, but you're not connecting anything.
38:36Yeah. Absolutely nothing. Sometimes I can use super base if I want to keep them long term, but it's just having a very cool and clean folder structure over here.
38:46So as you can see here on the left, this is my workspace that I use every single day. I have this is also backed up on GitHub, so I can also access it through any computer. And it's separated by clients, let's say, so at least for the projects that I'm doing right now.
39:02I have my clients here. I have my company project, so my website, my internal dashboard, my client dashboard, and then here you have my podcasts. Underneath, you can see Jack Neil is hopefully the next one, but John Graco, Nexoraev.
39:16And then here you can see the whole system that is in place.
39:20You can see the thumbnails, the trailers, the transcripts, and then you also have the claude.md that tells Claude exactly what we're doing and what we're aiming for as well as giving the sources.
39:32You're having ClawCode create thumbnails too? Yeah. I give it access to GPT
39:37image too. Okay. Gotcha.
39:39Oh, for using the API key from OpenRouter or Yeah. The OpenAI.
39:43Okay. Gotcha. Yeah.
39:44Let's go back to this section. So it's got emotion for your FOMO. I see that urgency.
39:49I think it has landed pretty well on the first one. AI is the new nuclear weapon. And I think Nick nailed that completely, actually.
39:59And so let's say, I really like your first idea. Can you please expand on it and make the whole script based off the transcript and what cuts you're going to make at it at each section.
40:10Optimize for retention. So make a promise at the beginning and then have the payoff at the very end.
40:17So this is just a way of structuring the format and giving Claude the ability to not go nuts and giving him, like, sort of guardrails on where to go. And you have a format that you talked about, horizontal,
40:30vertical, what ratio, what what, um, captions you wanna put. That's already all taken care of. Claude knows that already.
40:37Correct? Exactly. But that was for the particular podcast that was with John Kiriaku.
40:42If you have a different setting at each time so let's go back. My captions for John Kiriaku were colored red.
40:50If I were to use red here, I would have been absolutely cooked because then it would blend with the background. And so for every particular piece of content I create that I want to make shorts for, I will create a skill for that basically tells Claude how to keep the same format and,
41:07uh, styling every single time. Okay. Gotcha.
41:10That makes sense. So Claude is reading your style or your screen capturing it, and Claude is reading that part of it to just mimic that. Exactly.
41:19It's not perfect from the first get go, is it? Oh, no way. No way.
41:23You you can never do that. Yeah. No.
41:25The one true thing without Fable is Emmet. Are you using Fable for this?
41:30No. Okay. I I can't afford it at the moment.
41:33Okay. That's right. So Opus or Sonnet will be just good enough for this process, is it?
41:38I would say OPUS is a bit better because you're definitely using a lot of tools, doing a lot of tool calls, and you want to be able to navigate that,
41:45uh, without too much hallucination. Gotcha. That makes sense.
41:48But once you got the the whole system set up, then you Sonnet afterwards. Right? Exactly.
41:53Okay.
41:54And are you pretty technical person? That's a good question. I would say no.
41:58Even though I do have engineering background, I don't have much experience with code. I was an electrical engineer, mechatronic engineer.
42:06But other than just basic c for Arduinos and stuff, I have I basically learned everything from free resources on YouTube. Okay. That's awesome.
42:15So this process,
42:16you learned it from on YouTube as well? Uh, this particular process, you mean, for creating videos? Yeah.
42:22Like, turning long form to short form? Not really. No.
42:26really like the way I try to learn stuff is by understanding the core principles and knowing how to apply them to make everything because, at least, my personal opinion is if you just follow what everyone else does, then you get everyone else's results as well.
42:41In order to break out of the average or at least up above a certain percentile, you need to be unique and differentiate yourself. And so this in the short term, it might not be as great because it takes longer for me to reach a particular point.
42:54But after understanding it, I can then shift it to fit my particular style. I love that. It's all about angles.
43:00It's all about angles and being adaptable and fluid and, yeah, even in nature, those who adapt survive. So.
43:08Yeah. That's right. And you're in this content game now, which is wonderful.
43:14Yes.
43:16Alright. So it looks like Claude is thinking, is Claude actually making short form videos right now? So it's surprising that it's taking that long to respond.
43:25Maybe it's the effort level that I have, but it should be just giving me back a script. Then we're gonna start working on how it looks. So the process is Claude gives me transcript.
43:35Let's say the the very basics of the format, so vertical or horizontal and how I want it to look. And then it just makes the cuts, and then we we will watch it together. After that, we bake in the captions, do the color grading, which you asked for.
43:47But since the editors did a pretty good job, I might leave it at that. And then we add the music, and we're good to go. Okay.
43:54So the music part,
43:55you just only do it during the intro for music? In the long form content. Yes.
44:00In short form, there's always music. Yes. That's right.
44:03I've realized you have the music, the suspense music that going on. Right? Every single short, the music was a little bit different.
44:10How did you find the music? That's a very good question. Uh, and I should have mentioned that before.
44:15So that was
44:17a process that I didn't expect to work. But, basically, what I did, I saw all of the reels that I really liked from podcasts and saw what songs they were using.
44:27And I put them all, uh, in a text file, sent it to Claude. And I told him, I want these these soundtracks to be able to just put them on to any short form I make.
44:38So you Shazam find the exact version of the song, and it found an all personas version and actually did that. It found the exact pitch and made the edge to find the particular song that podcast was using.
44:50And now I have a library of 10 songs, and I said to Claude, I want you to categorize each song by what emotion they cause. And so analyze the emotion of the video that we are making and then attach the correct music in the background.
45:04That is so smart. Okay. Just to recap, I wanna make sure I understood you correctly.
45:08You were getting inspired by other podcasts. Let's just say a diary of CEO. Steven Barlett used this specific music.
45:14I'm guessing it's open source music, meaning it's free, copyright free music. So you download this specific music, and then you attach to emotion, having Cloudco do that.
45:24So whenever let's just say you're doing motivation for this one clip and you got the motivation music, then Claude will automatically match it and then put it together. Is that how it works? Exactly.
45:35Okay. It's exactly how it works. Very well said.
45:38Dang. That is so smart. I'm I'm definitely using that.
45:40That's so smart.
45:42If you give Claude a way to relate to things
45:46that is consistent across sessions, then you just increase his performance over time. How can Claude know emotion, by the way? Is that from the words that they're using?
45:55Yeah. Just the transcript of the reel. So you can see the transcript of this reel, uh, let's say from Stephen Barlett or Jack Neil, whoever, conveys this emotion.
46:04So this sound must convey that as well. And if you have a big enough dataset, you can pick and choose what is what.
46:11So is the music without any words in it, it doesn't work then, you think? Um, you mean just having instrumental? Yeah.
46:21Yeah. Definitely. Don't put words.
46:23People get confused. Okay. So here's the thing.
46:24How would Claude know? Let's just say you're, like, doing suspense music. We know it's suspense because we're human.
46:31Like, I should say, boom. I can't even sing. But, you know, pretend this is suspense music with no words.
46:36How could Claude know this is a suspense music?
46:39Oh, okay. I I see the discrepancy. So what I described before was taking the reels, and then let's say you have a 100 short form con a 100 piece of short form content.
46:48Usually, people that do podcasts have human editors do the music, do the editing, and so humans can reliably pick and choose which songs go where.
46:58And, uh, if you get enough shorts, you transcribe them and with words that are spoken. So let's say in the podcast, I say something about a war, people are fearful.
47:09If you see that piece of music being used across multiple reels that their transcript conveys fear, it then probably means that song is about fear.
47:24So you're transferring the the actual shorts instead of the music lyrics. Okay. That that's the confusion part that I had.
47:31Okay. Perfect. Thanks for calling me now.
47:33Yeah. So this is the script.
47:35Let me very quickly go through it. It looks pretty good. It says that hook is gonna be won't AI just increase the gap between classes?
47:42Then Nick is gonna say technology like this has never been available since atomic nuclear weaponry, so on and so forth. Looks pretty good.
47:49So I'm gonna say, using video use, create an initial rough cut of this, uh, short that you have created.
48:00I want to post this on TikTok, Instagram, and so it's gonna be a vertical format for the actual file, but I want you to have the whole frame in it.
48:10So minimize the horizontal version of the podcast into that vertical frame, make the cuts, and then open it up on my laptop for me to review, and we'll work on the styling right after.
48:24Um, horizontal,
48:25vertical. I'm always confused with horizontal and vertical. I just have to, like, do this.
48:29For my podcast, because we were filming so close to each other, close-up camera, I can't really do the vertical.
48:38Like, I had to do horizontal.
48:40Yeah. I think that works a bit better, though, if I'm being honest. Uh, I think I'm off transitioning to this format as well.
48:46It stops people from scrolling because I think people are too used to the vertical.
48:51Yeah. I know. I'm gonna use that because I have a podcast with Sabrina, one of my first podcasts or even before, and I just wanna, like, use that section of it.
49:03And then I'm putting the title hook on top as well so that Yeah. That's extremely useful. Yeah.
49:09And I was doing that initially
49:11with Cloth, but then I saw it was performing well without it as well. But I do have a skill that it's, like, slide let me see if it's still on here because I just changed laptop. Yeah.
49:20Add label. So you can see here, the skill says that you add a story style label, white rounded pill just like the Instagram stickers to finish the reel. And then it just says, just find the most emotional thing, blah blah blah, when I say add the label, and it just adds a hook into the reel as well.
49:37Okay. That's really helpful. Are you using other platforms other than just YouTube?
49:41Um, so using Xerneo, I'm posting on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, which is doing nothing.
49:48It gets zero views. It's surprisingly
49:50Twitter. Yeah. Twitter's a different beast
49:53for sure. I don't even know cutting that off. Yeah.
49:57I don't I actually don't use x right now for myself. I think I got zero followers.
50:04That's crazy. I mean, text, I think, could work. And sort of like LinkedIn, you need to funnel people into that for them to be engaged.
50:11But Mhmm. Should we take a look at this? Yeah.
50:13Let's do it. To come up with new stuff or even increase
50:17the gap between technology
50:18of this kind. That's completely horrible. Completely missed the mark.
50:22Let's see. See?
50:23Even for him, he's been doing this quite a while, but you have to redo it a couple of times.
50:30We need to analyze it a bit. Let's see.
50:33Has never been made available to any group of people really since
50:39atomics. The reason I'm listening to this for a prolonged period of time, I'm trying to understand if Nick is talking too slow or too fast and sometimes just to increase retention. I'm gonna ask Claude to, uh, increase the speed by, let's say, point 1%.
50:52That might increase retention a bit more as well. Oh, that's So that's actually smart.
50:58They and Clock can do that.
51:00Yes. It's not bad. Let me see.
51:01Yeah. The hook, you completely missed the mark. It needs to begin with me asking the question and then jumping right into Nick.
51:09I want you to cross reference the transcript and look at the exact time stamps for you to make the cuts correctly and then actually visually review that you have actually made the correct cuts. Also, the speed of Nick talking by point 1%.
51:24Let's talk about the thumbnail a little bit while we're waiting. For shorts, do you have a specific thumbnail that you use?
51:31No. Just the third frame. Always.
51:33Yeah. Gotcha. Doesn't really matter.
51:35Doesn't really matter. Xerneo.
51:37And how are you using Xerneo during this process? Let's just say, Claude is done editing the video. You like it.
51:44So you save it in the folder, and you title it one, two, three, or how does that work? So maybe I can,
51:51as we're working here, pop my John Kiraku podcast clips.
51:58I have them selected by tier. So tier one is the most efficient ones, the most attracting ones, then tier two, tier three. And what I'd like to do is since I'm posting four times a day, I want to have one tier clip every single day and then backfill the rest with tier two and tier three.
52:13Wait. Hold hold on for a second. You're posting four times a day?
52:16I was. Yeah. Because I made 60 reels, and it was I was just scheduling them to one at twelve, one at six, one at twelve, and then one at six again.
52:27Okay. Wow. That's amazing.
52:29Great. Great work. Okay.
52:31You can see here that they are ranked as well. So this is apparently what we thought with Claudie was gonna be performing the best, but, uh, it apparently didn't.
52:40And I think, actually, the best performing one, which was the Iron Dome, must have been tier two, which is surprising. And as soon as your prep document that you sent me, one of the questions was gonna be, how did I pick which parts go like, become clips and which ones don't?
52:56And the answer is they all turn into clips, and then you let the market decide. And at least particularly on YouTube, you there's no penalty in you posting at least four times a day.
53:09And so you see what works. Even the worst performing ones may generate $10 worth of revenue, and then you see the ones that have generated the most revenue, and you double down on them on other platforms as well. Gotcha.
53:20Well, that is such a smart process. How did you learn all of this? Like, really?
53:25I don't know.
53:26Know. I don't don't know. Don't you're
53:28so once you're into something, you kinda deep dive into something, don't you? Yeah. But at at least particularly with, um, content, I've been consuming it all my life, and I like recognizing patterns.
53:40And so I think it has been building up at the back of my mind for the last twenty three years, and it's just coming out right now. And thanks for sharing your tips with us. I just absolutely love this because it's very approachable.
53:52You just barely started it five weeks ago. I mean, anybody who's listening right now, not necessarily podcast related, but I like your mindset how you're starting this and also how you can simplify the process using ClockCode.
54:05Exactly.
54:06Keeping it simple. Moving moving fast. Moving super fast.
54:10Yeah. Really fast. The four videos, that's super cool because you don't that means you don't have to be on your phone each time and then trying to upload.
54:17You don't do that because you're just having the API key. And Zurnio, I think it's free for two accounts. Is that right?
54:24Exactly. And that's why I'm dropping
54:26Twitter because it just charged me an extra, I think, £8 $88
54:31for no views. So I think that's gone. Yeah.
54:34Drop them. Drop them. Yeah.
54:36Mhmm. How is the performance in Instagram and TikTok? Is that pretty good?
54:39Instagram is happening quite well, actually.
54:42I can pull that up for you if you like. Mhmm. Yeah.
54:45TikTok hasn't been amazing.
54:48TikTok doesn't like automation tool, I feel like. Not necessarily.
54:52Okay. The biggest one was
54:55Oh, 1,300,000 views?
54:57Yeah. Not bad. It was, 36 k likes.
55:00And the funny thing, I had my description, comment CI for the full episode. And the moment this was published, my Mailchimp subscription ended, all of these comments
55:09haven't gotten replied to, which sucks. Why why are you using ManyChat, not Zurnio for this process? Yeah.
55:15Yeah. Thanks for calling me out. I should be using Zurnio.
55:18So go ahead do is free. I mean Yeah. But ManyChat is get can get pretty expensive, I realize.
55:23I don't know if you realize that, but every DM you send is contacts, and they charge extra for contacts.
55:31You have to keep it in your database. Correct? No.
55:34Not necessarily.
55:35Like, I delete all my contacts. It doesn't really matter. As long as they sent in one DM, it's considered as a one contact.
55:41You can't really delete off of your database. You can't. You can't.
55:45No. You can't. You've got to do that.
55:47I know. I thought I thought I could. That's why I've been deleting my contacts going back there, but they said no.
55:52As long as you send one DM, it stays as a contact.
55:56No way.
55:57Yeah. For reals. I'm not kidding.
56:00So because I got one video that got really viral. I think I have 400 k views in one video, and people commenting, like, 10,000, yeah, on Instagram recently, four days ago.
56:11And I can pull that up if you want. Yeah. Sure.
56:14Go for it. Sandy lee dot a I. Are are we friends?
56:17I follow you. I follow you. Yeah.
56:19You follow me? Okay. I don't think you follow me back, so I'm very offended for that.
56:22Oh, okay. You know what? Yeah.
56:24I will follow you back. I'll follow you back. I'm I'm kidding.
56:27Okay. With it.
56:29The this one right there. That one. Uh-huh.
56:33Ton of views. People saw this on YouTube.
56:36Yeah. I know. And then that's the idea behind that.
56:38I got the YouTube. I'm like, might as well just create the short form right after this. It took maybe five minutes to create this, and then it got viral.
56:47From that being said, whenever I use ManyChat, oh, it was very pricey. So I just switched back to Xarnio. Yeah.
56:54So you're using it for chat automation. How's it working for you? Oh, it's good.
56:58Yeah. The only problem is it doesn't have as many features as a mini chat, and it only can send one message like DM sent. That's it.
57:06Versus mini chat has three different variation. But Xerneo doesn't have as many capability, but I'm okay with it because it's free. But one thing I wanna say is if I were to use ManyChat for this specific thing, if I'm understanding the whole feature correctly, I would have paid $6,000 to them.
57:24Really? Yeah. Because that post got viral.
57:26Yeah. 6 k. Wow.
57:27I'm like, dang. Definitely not worth it. Yeah.
57:31And I have worked with many chat as well at least for, uh, DM automation in installing an AI agent for an ecommerce brand. Mhmm. And it was a very bad experience.
57:40Mhmm. Yeah. I would say ManyChat is great when it comes to
57:44follow me if you won't get the link, you know, because it has extra buttons in there. So you I guess you can force people to follow you a little bit more. I've tried that method too, but it just sounds a little fishy too, so that's why I just don't do that use that anymore.
57:57And, yeah, it's expensive. It's it's very expensive.
58:03Yeah. I'm just being honest. I'm like, I don't I personally am not using that.
58:06And you could even possibly, like, even why code your own thing to do the exact same job in, like, two days instead of to do vibe code the whole thing. Yeah. But way.
58:14Yeah. I do. Yeah.
58:16Actually, for the scripting part, I vibe code my app. It's called Sleeve Studio, and I'm currently working on with an engineer that how long we can do the whole script.
58:26Kinda similar to what you're doing, like, but then not turning long form to short form, but creating short form from the get go and then trying to get the viral format towards the beginning and then get the script. But, anyways, that's something I'm working on right now. That sounds very interesting, and you could definitely plug the outputs of that into something like this to actually like, after you film, it edits it immediately.
58:47Like, analyze the transcript and then executes. Yeah. Exactly.
58:51I already have that for YouTube, but I just realized for beginners, it's very complicated to start content because they gotta worry about so many different stuff. Right?
59:01So I'm like, you know what? Just simplify as much as possible. But for those of them who's not wanting to use my API key because I'm using my API, that's why I charge, Man Yeah.
59:11They can just set everything up using clot code, honestly.
59:14That's perfectly fine too. This was very good. Maybe I'll check it out as well.
59:18Yeah. Go for it. This government Oh, sorry about that.
59:20Should I let her play? Yes. Go ahead, please.
59:22We're gonna have access to this frontier models. Don't you believe it's going to increase the gap between classes? Technology So something that I really like, Claude recognized that I had a
59:33moment of silence and it jumped cut to get to the point. If it's going to increase the gap between classes. Technology of this kind has never been made available to any group of people really since atomics, like nuclear weaponry.
59:50And so when atomics were made available to people temporarily, The United States are massive massive battlefield management. One of the people has ultimate power and the ability to deploy it.
59:58This is a great model just to make every person friendly. I'm sure about that. That's basically what these models have the ability to do.
1:00:05You know, the situation here is inherently a little bit fragile. Is there a risk that the class gap will continue to grow, let's say? Uh, for sure.
1:00:13Absolutely. And I mean, I think I think it will. Now that we have the the wireframe, basically, all we need to do Mhmm.
1:00:19Is to
1:00:20just I've I've lost that screenshot, and I'm gonna be very fast. One second.
1:00:32K. Good enough. Mhmm.
1:00:34And what you're doing right now is you're capturing the the captions.
1:00:40Okay. Yeah. Exactly.
1:00:41I'm capturing the captions from the style I want to use. In this case, it was my own intro, but sometimes I will get it from a different reel. And so I'm gonna paste the style.
1:00:50I'm gonna say, this is looking great. Now all we have to do is add the captions.
1:00:55So at the beginning where I'm speaking, I want you to add the captions to the right side of the screen so that it doesn't overlay with me and it's in the middle of between the center of me and the end of the screen. And then the same for when Nick is talking, but put it on the left side. Let each word appear one at a time and let them not disappear until Nick stops talking.
1:01:16So if you're gonna move from one screen of captions to the next and there is a gap in his speech, let the captions hang so that the watcher or the viewer can actually read them. Then after you do that, add from our database the soundtrack that fits the best to this particular reel.
1:01:36There we go. I love that you're producing the whole thing. Like, this is very cool to see just because
1:01:43you're not just saying, hey. Add the captions. No.
1:01:45You're, like, very specific.
1:01:48Because if you have the vision and you are able to communicate it with Claude, you'll basically be able to turn it to life with just words. It's like speaking to an editor.
1:01:56Yeah. So how long does it take you, um, with the whole process right now? Like, I mean, maybe just ten minutes.
1:02:03Right? But the reason why I'm asking is because for those of them who has a full time job, do you think creating content on the side is possible?
1:02:12A 100%, especially with this pretty cool
1:02:15new command.
1:02:16Have you used it before? Remote control. Uh, not really, but I know how to use it.
1:02:21It was buggy when I was using it. Yeah. Oh, it's great now.
1:02:24It's amazing. So if you just do that
1:02:28and I've actually made a couple of I made my thumbnail while I was at the gym and just talking to Claude Code here and just published it on my YouTube channel. On your mobile app, you can have access to your full chat while speaking to Claude Code.
1:02:40If you add caffeine on your laptop here at the top Mhmm. It can stay awake for a prolonged period of time. And if you're able to have a system that you can communicate with Claude constantly and you make skills that create repeatable outputs that you can use, every time you have five minutes off of work, you can send a prompt and then come back to it later.
1:02:58So a 100% doable. That's awesome. And then for remote control,
1:03:01where are you opening it? Are you opening it using Clot app? Yeah.
1:03:05Exactly. So let me actually show you
1:03:07in a bit of cleaner manner. So you go into your Clot app. Mhmm.
1:03:13You tap on the hamburger menu on the top left. Mhmm.
1:03:18You click on code.
1:03:20Oh, yeah. That's right. There's code.
1:03:22Here's your session.
1:03:25There you go. I need to use this more often. Yeah.
1:03:27It's pretty good. Yeah. It was really have multiple sessions as well running at the same time.
1:03:31It was super buggy when it launched, so I'm like, never mind. I'm not you doing this anymore. But yeah.
1:03:37So this is exciting. So it's it's doing the whole thing right now, the captions. And Man, I really appreciate you sharing all of this, Nazaros.
1:03:46This is such a cool framework that you share with us.
1:03:50And, yeah, I'm excited to see what what's coming up next. So we can see that Cloeb is thinking, and it actually generated the captions and even referenced them here as the gold yellow uppercase for the punch words drop shadow.
1:04:04Perfect. So it has analyzed everything, and it handles even the authenticator and actually visually, uh, verifies them. It accessed the song library and choosing the right font.
1:04:14Where do you download those songs again? Just online?
1:04:17Yeah. So you find a reel that you like that has the music that you want. You give it to Claude, and then it uses, an open source Shazam model to find it and then download it off of YouTube or whatever source it finds.
1:04:30And just make sure that it's not copyrighted.
1:04:32Right?
1:04:34I I didn't particularly check that, but if the big dogs are using it, I would assume it's not copyrighted.
1:04:41That's right. Because some some songs you gotta pay for. Some songs, I guess that's more for long form.
1:04:46Shorts, they don't really care. Maybe. I'm not sure.
1:04:49Yeah. And once it's done, then you're gonna get the video. Correct?
1:04:52Yeah. And then I can just say to Claude to if if I like it a lot Mhmm. Just post it through through Zerno and, like, I can say schedule it in a day or two days at this particular time, and then I just relax.
1:05:05It gets posted. You just talk with Claude, if you can strategize along the way, you can basically make anything.
1:05:12Yeah. As I'm pretty sure you know as well. These governments that are gonna have access to these frontier models, don't you believe it's going to increase the gap between classes?
1:05:20Technology of this kind has never been made available to any group of people really since atomics, like nuclear weaponry.
1:05:30And so when atomics were made available to people temporarily, you know, The United States had a massive massive battlefield advantage. One group of people has ultimate power and the ability, let's say to deploy the super crazy model and just nuke every person's brain on earth because that's basically what these models have the ability to do.
1:05:48You know, the situation that you're in is inherently a little bit fragile. Is there a risk that the class gap will continue to grow, let's say? Uh, for sure.
1:05:55Absolutely. And I mean, I think I think it will. We have like recursive self improvement.
1:05:59The first company to get like a crazy recursively self improving model, like,
1:06:03even if they get it two days before another thing, that's an infinite gap of intelligence. Hey, Nazaros. I really appreciate you showing the whole process and exactly how it works.
1:06:13I mean, even for me, like, it was really helpful to see because you got the whole framework behind your brain, and you're using claw to automate 99% of it. So I appreciate you coming to my podcast and sharing your wisdom with us.
1:06:27And Yeah. Yeah. No.
1:06:28Thank you. Of course. I appreciate you, Sandy.
1:06:30Thank you so much for having me. It was
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The video opens on a cut-together trailer of the episode's best lines before the real conversation starts: a channel at 2.7k subscribers with 6.18 million views in five weeks, an ex-CIA officer landed by cold-texting a stranger twice a day, and sixty reels made in a single sitting and scheduled out for two weeks. The thread running under all of it is the same claim repeated at the top: this entire operation — research, scripting, editing, emotion-ranked shorts, scheduling — runs through Claude Code, with no editor and no editing software.

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