A 15-minute Q&A on cold outreach versus brand building, picking a price by raising it until demand cools, and why distribution is the only moat left.
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Big Idea
The argument in one line.
You will always be grinding for clients, so pick the channel by how long you can go without money, and set price by raising it until demand cools rather than calculating it.
Who This Is For
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READ IF YOU ARE…
A new AI automation freelancer deciding between cold outreach and building an Instagram or YouTube audience to land the first clients.
Someone running cold email or cold calls who is getting positive replies but does not know how to convert a lead magnet into booked calls.
A solo operator who has never priced a service and is stuck trying to find the perfect number before launching.
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You want a step-by-step cold call script; he says outright that others are better at it and his experience is five to ten years old.
You want a tight tutorial; this is a loose daily Q&A with a personal trip recap in the last third.
TL;DR
The full version, fast.
Nick Saraev argues that whether you cold DM or post content, you are grinding either way, and the real question is how long you can survive without income. Outreach pays in days, brand building pays more later. He sets prices by starting low, raising them until demand drops to a manageable level, and repeating. He recommends pairing cold calls with cold email, hyper-personalizing lead magnets, selling subscriptions for predictable revenue, and treating customer acquisition as the lasting moat since AI still cannot get customers end to end.
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Whether you cold DM or build a brand, you are grinding in some form six to twelve months out; the only choice is which grind.
Brand building pays off more per hour of effort, but it takes weeks or months of posting before you see any return.
Cold outreach and Upwork applications can land a first $500 client within three days, which is the short-term cash a new business needs.
Send a cold email and then call asking whether they got it; the coordination separates you from the spam calls they get all year.
A templated lead magnet is something a prospect could prompt out of ChatGPT; hyper-personalized assets or a custom lead roadmap are what still land.
Optimize what you publish for AI agents as consumers, since ranking first in agent search could mean large transaction volume.
Which AI coding tool you use matters less than you think; use whatever works until it doesn't, then switch.
Nick made up his pricing, starting under $50 and raising it each time demand stayed too high until it settled at an acceptable level.
You do not need a perfect price algorithm; put out a price, get a few customers, and ask whether you earned enough per unit of work.
Selling as a person grows faster but caps enterprise value and locks you in as the deliverer; selling as a brand grows slower but can be resold.
Subscriptions let you project revenue within roughly 20 to 30 percent; one-time fees make month one bigger and month two a mystery.
The top reason people fail his program is front-loading, taking five days of material in one day and burning out by day three.
Ramp effort like linear progression in the gym: start low and slow, then increase volume over time.
Customer acquisition through PPC or social growth is a stronger moat than most deliverables because AI cannot yet get customers end to end.
Nick says marketing and distribution is about 80 percent of his business right now.
Takeaway
Pick your grind, then price by testing
WHAT TO LEARN
Every acquisition channel is work, so choose by how long you can go without income, and find your price by raising it until demand cools.
Cold outreach and content creation are both grinds; the deciding factor is how many months you can survive before the money shows up.
Outreach can produce a first paying client in days, while brand building pays more per hour but only after weeks or months of unrewarded posting.
Pair cold email with cold calls and open with whether they got your email, so you stand apart from generic spam calls.
Replace templated lead magnets with something personalized, like a roadmap or real leads, since anyone can prompt a generic one from ChatGPT.
Set price by starting low, raising it whenever demand is too high, and stopping when the volume is acceptable for the work involved.
Selling as a person grows faster but ties you to delivery; selling as a brand grows slower but can be resold and staffed.
Prefer subscriptions when you want predictable revenue, and ramp your own effort gradually so you do not burn out in the first three days.
Glossary
Terms worth knowing.
AEO / GEO
Answer engine optimization and generative engine optimization: shaping content so AI assistants and AI search cite or recommend it.
Lead magnet
A free asset offered to a prospect in exchange for attention or contact details, such as a report or roadmap.
Key man risk
The danger that a business depends so heavily on one person that it loses value or stops working if that person leaves.
Clipping strategy
Posting many short clips of a person's content across accounts to collect views cheaply and spread their face widely.
Linear progression
Gradually adding load or volume over time, borrowed from strength training, instead of starting at maximum effort.
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Welcome to my daily updates channel where I answer all of your questions about my business that does over $400 ,000 in revenue a month. I start every video off literally by just scrolling down to my about two week cutoff and then answering all the questions bottom up. So if you guys want more on that, then feel free to ask whatever question you want down below.
I'm more than happy to do so. In addition, I'll also do some building in public showing you guys a little bit behind the scenes. Why don't we dive in with Blue Meth Moments, who says, Nick, quick follow -up question for you.
First of all, thanks for featuring my last question in the thumbnail. Appreciate that. You mentioned earlier that starting a brand takes a ton of time and money, and I completely agree.
But where I'm really stuck is figuring out the exact client acquisition strategy for what I want to do. My long -term goal is to become the go -to person to come into businesses and fully integrate AI into their workflows. I know cold outreach works, but I'm not sure if it's the right fit for my end goal.
I don't want to be grinding cold DMs for random automation gigs for 6 -12 months from now. I want clients coming to me. I started an Instagram page to build an audience and authority thinking inbound lead gen is the better path here.
Hope that makes sense. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this setup. You are always going to have to be grinding in some way, shape, or form 6 -12 months from now.
If you're not grinding cold DMs, you're going to be grinding Instagram content creation. So long as you are in the driver's seat of that business and you're the person ultimately that is producing the deliverable for your outreach or your inbound, you're going to be the person that's having to do that work, right? So you can absolutely just hire salespeople to do like cold DMs for you.
That's like a big chunk of a lot of sales organizations. Same thing with cold email, same thing with door -to -door. Just like you can hire people to assist you with the content itself.
I know content seems really glamorous right up front, but I'd encourage you to keep that in mind. From the business owner's point of view, not the person doing the work's point of view, it's all the same, right? Just cash in, cash out.
The question that I think you need to answer is how long can you go without money? Because realistically speaking, you're going to go without money, most likely, far longer when you're building a brand than you will when you are doing outreach. Sure, building a brand seems more scalable, and it is.
Given an hour of effort invested into both, you will certainly receive a much higher payoff on the back end of building a brand than you will doing an hour of cold DMs. But it takes a lot longer to get to that point, because obviously you need to build the brand itself.
And that typically involves weeks, maybe months of posting, creation of high quality content, and so on and so forth without really seeing any payoff. Contrast that with cold DMs or maybe Upwork applications or maybe on Fiverr, where a lot of people that join Maker School, my program that gets your first customer in 90 days, your money back, will see results literally in the first two or three days.
I was just reading somebody saying, hey, this is the third day of me sending Upwork applications. I just landed my first client for $500. Think about that for a second.
Three days, 72 hours from now, you have your first client. Kind of insane to conceptualize, right? Anyway, the point that I'm making is you're trading off long -term for short -term with cold DMs and outreach, but don't lose the forest for the trees.
You got to make near -term money too. All right. Dara talks money.
Sorry, I just had a big steak. So also some chimichurri. Great video, Nick.
I'm building an AI lead gen agency and I've been cold calling and cold emailing AI agencies to get them leads. But I'm really struggling with cold calls. So I'd love to know what script works best for you.
I've also gotten six positive replies in two days and they all want the lead magnet. How do I book them into calls? So two things, cold call scripts.
There are many people far better than I am at cold calls. And I wouldn't recommend you listen to me for cold calling scripts. Most of the cold calling I did was between five to 10 years ago.
The landscape has changed a little bit. One thing I can tell you that certainly will work is send cold email at the same time you're running the cold calls. And then when you call, ask them if they got your email.
The reason why this works is because it immediately differentiates you from the thousands of thousands of spam calls they get on a monthly or maybe yearly basis. It's now very clear that you've put an additional amount of time and effort into the process versus most other people that haven't. It also belies a certain level of coordination, which is quite important.
And so that'd be my recommendation. Hey, Pete, Nick here from XYZ. Did you get my email?
Just wondering if you remember me or if you got my email, whatever. The conversation forks from there, and you can build out script paths depending on wherever you go. Obviously, AI can help you with that quite a bit, but I would go off of proven cold call templates outbound, which is very different from inbound, by the way.
Okay, so that's that. On the positive replies into two days, they all want the lead magnet. How do you book them into calls?
It sounds like you ran a campaign that has a lead magnet as the main positive reply. So give them the lead magnet and make sure they love it. If you're not getting a lot of positive replies on it, odds are they probably don't love it.
And my take is you're probably creating just a lead magnet that's templated, that reads the same, that's something that they could just prompt chat GPT for. Lead magnets aren't really valuable these days unless they're hyper -personalized. And so maybe instead of a lead magnet, give them a roadmap for their business's leads or something, or give them some leads or something like that.
Nick, what are your two cents on AEO and GEO, both current and with a future perspective? Probably the most important single thing you can do right now is optimize everything that you are doing, not for... human consumers, but for AI agent consumers.
AI agents will be the primary consumers moving forth. So if you can rank first on some search engine for AI agents, if you can rank first for chat GPT search results or whatever, for, I don't know, some service that an agent is likely to need, then I could see you making a lot of money just in like the transaction volume alone.
Stacked is great. Keep up the awesome content creation. Thank you.
Shandell says, Nick, love the content. It's been genuinely useful. My question, I've seen you use Cloud Desktop, Cloud Web App, Anti -Gravity, etc.
I've also seen others use Codex, Cursor, Ghost TTY, Cloud Code, and so many others. If you had to pick one setup to commit to long term, what would it be? My recommendation for you would be Orca, O -R -C -A, Awesome Terminal Management Software.
That's not what I wanted to show you guys. Good Lord. How do I open a tab here?
There you go. Download Orca. I'm not affiliated.
Really cool service. It allows you to actually run multiple agents simultaneously side by side in a project folder view. And then you also obviously get all of the files on the right hand side.
That's one of the main reasons I really liked anti -gravity. When to switch over? I don't really know or think it's really all that valuable.
Just use whatever works until it doesn't work as well. Kostya says, Nick, how did you come up with the pricing of $184? I just made it up.
I make up all my pricing and I don't say that to mean that it's not worth $184, but I didn't spend more than five seconds thinking about my pricing. I initially priced Maker School less than 50 bucks. And then when I had so much demand that I didn't know what to do with it, I just raised the price.
Then that worked. And then I was like, I still have too much demand. So then I raised the price and then I still had too much demand.
I raised the price. And so eventually I raised the price up to the point where I received an acceptable level of demand. And then I was like, okay, I think I'll stay here for a while.
But now the demand is too high again, and I'm probably going to increase it. So suffice to say, you really don't worry too much about the pricing. You don't need the perfect algorithm for price.
What you need is you just need the willingness to put out a price, get a few customers for that price, and then ask yourself, okay, am I satisfied with how much money I made per unit of work? Could I make more money with less work? If the answer to that question is yes, then increase the price further.
Eventually, through statistics, you'll land on the ideal price as opposed to a bunch of bullshit in your head, which is how most people price. Have you had any issues with websites? How do you combat that?
Yeah, of course, but it's fine. Marco says, Outreaching leads as a freelancer, also having some company name I'm standing behind. Should you reach out to people as a person or as a company?
I'd recommend reaching out to people as a person. It's really a trade -off. If you reach out to people as a person, if you run your brand as a person, you'll typically have far faster initial growth, but it's at the cost of long -term enterprise value.
It also locks you into being the primary deliverer of the content. I'm fine with that because that's how I've constructed my business. If you sell as a brand as opposed to a person, then you have far longer -term resale ability.
You can obviously sell the company because this doesn't rely on your face. You can obviously get other people to come in there to build things for you or to do outreach with you, and it doesn't work. Sorry, and it doesn't negatively impact you a ton.
You don't have as much key man risk. The cost of that, though, is you typically have slower growth. Nick, do you prefer selling systems as a subscription or as a one -time payment?
Subscriptions for sure. Far more projectable, your revenue, you know what you're making next month, the month after that to within maybe 20, 30%. If you do everything as a one -time, you make way more money in month one, but you don't know how much money you're going to make in month two or month three.
Have you used AI Arc to scrape leads ever? I have not, unfortunate. It's 11 .45pm, watching in a dark room, and I'm getting vitamin D from this video.
This guy wants me to go dark mode, which I've done, which I appreciate that. Epic intro. Thank you.
I used to play Overwatch 1, was a Reaper Genji main. Haven't looked at the second one. Is it good?
I think so. Yeah, I mean, I play a variety of guys. I like, um...
Winston. I'm Winston. I'm a Winston main.
Sorry, guys. What's the number one reason you see people fail Maker School? The number one reason, by far, is they take on way too much at the beginning.
They don't look at the long term of the process. And so they'll try front loading whatever they can. They take five days worth of maker school in one day, which I explicitly recommend against.
And then they burn out after like two or three days. You got to keep enough in the tank to keep going for a long time. And you also have to understand that your energy is a self -fulfilling prophecy.
If you start low and slow, but then slowly increase that over time, aka linear progression methodology, which is the same thing people have been doing in the gym for years or endurance training for hundreds of years, centuries really, you'll go far faster. So the way that I'd recommend approaching maker schools, literally come in, do one module one day at a time.
and then just proceed down the roadmap that I've given for you that slowly but surely raises your volume over time. Nick, I'm 22 after eight months of building in voice AI and one very draining pilot. I shut it down, but I got an offer from a warm network to do AI content for them.
Of course, I said yes, and it's way easier to do than the voice stacks. Thinking in terms of what I should double down on next, do you think it's a good idea to get into PPC or social media? It's very straightforward to package and has no fixed costs like the self -hosted voice builds I did.
But it also feels like a pivot in terms of my skill set, which isn't purely technical. I would pivot to PPC. Yeah.
I mean, PPC, social media growth, that's actually really the only moat, if we're being honest with each other now. You know, a variety of these other deliverables and services are nowhere near as valuable as just getting customers. Why?
Because A, I can do most of these other services. A, it's just not that good at getting customers end to end yet. And odds are people want to talk to people more than they want to talk to robots, at least right now, and probably for the foreseeable future, next few years.
So that's a skill that has far more, I think, long -term value, at least as of this moment in time. Why do you think I spend so much time on marketing and distribution? That's like 80 % of my business right now.
As someone who recently moved up from Florida back to hometown MN, that's Minnesota, strong agree on the seasons, fall weather, sweatshirts, love it, thank you. It's fall out here. You should see just how gorgeous where I live is right now.
I mean, you have the trees, you have the crinkling and crunching of leaves between my boots. You have... the beautiful like wind coming over the mountains the valley is amazing oh man i can't tell you how incredible it is living here at this moment in time bro looking like a locked video game player being backlit yeah for the mover who went quiet i don't know who who that is or what that means i gotta be honest i'm reading an ai comment right now and i gotta say forever nate i cannot be responding to ai comments all day just does not make sense scalably so as much as i love you to death buddy i think i'm gonna move on Bro, the latest and news and whatever's coming seems horrible.
We need an extended YouTube video of how to survive the next AI or super intelligence era like the way you did recently, but as a full course kind of format. Are you planning to do something like that? That's longer and goes more into details.
And by the way, love your content. No, I'm not. But that's not a bad idea.
That's not a bad idea. I don't know if somebody would actually sit down and watch like a five day, five hours, sorry, how to survive the apocalypse type video. I'm not even, I don't know if I really want to make that because my premise is not that there will be an apocalypse, mind you.
My premise is merely that, you know, the fluctuations in infrastructure are getting to the point where it's likely, you know, we'll probably have some energy blackouts that might last a few days before the world gets that shit under control. Do you just want to be in a position where you don't have food or water for a couple of days?
Probably not, right? But the same sort of thing has happened many times before. I mean, just think of like the Spanish flu in like the 1900s.
Think about like some wars. Like you should just probably have a couple days worth of food and water. AI just magnifies and multiplies the ups and downs of society, if we're honest.
So those ups and downs are just going to go more up and down. Why not be prepared? Anyway, hopefully that makes sense, guys.
I've had a blast recording today's video for you. I'm jumping on another call here fairly shortly, and I'm also doing a bunch of video recordings. Suffice to say, clipping strategy is working really well.
We did a million views on just one account. in like a couple of days for a grand total of about 10 minutes of my time. So a million views for 10 minutes of my time is great, and we're going to do far more.
The videos themselves took me 20 seconds to record. Obviously, average watch time is pretty low, but I think this is how I plaster my face all over the internet. It's like paid ads, but the CPMs are far better.
Far, far better. So yeah, you guys have probably already seen a couple of them if you follow me. Definitely seen my face on the internet, probably.
So I'm going to growth hack my way up the ladder. And I got an awesome group of guys that are going to help me with this, which I'm really stoked about. I can't say too much on that because that is unfortunately a very rippable thing that people can see, find me, and then just report a bunch of accounts kind of blows.
So yeah, we'll call it there. But suffice to say, the trip to LA was awesome. Seeing Alex was awesome.
Seeing Sam was awesome. Seeing the whole team was awesome. God damn, really love the school team.
Every time I go, I'm just like, what a great group of people. Seriously. everybody is just awesome they're just so stoked on life and like they have such great personalities it's not like hustle grind bro culture which i can really really appreciate because that's just super annoying everybody there's like very intelligent very keen and also just very friendly and um makes for an awesome awesome time so yeah stoked for the next uh school platinum event that's gonna be great and then also just stoked more generally to you know continue exploring cities in the united states i had a great few days uh in los angeles went to universal studios hollywood a bunch of pictures of me with toad and mario now somewhere on the internet so that's cute just checked out like sunset boulevard red carpet stuff right in front of like the jimmy fallon the place where they filmed fallon i think that's the guy's name right or maybe it's kimmel i don't know there's so many jimmies and jammies out there now hard to say uh red carpet that was cool seeing all the stars on the sidewalk that was cool donald trump stars i'm not doing too hot let me tell you
all the other stars were like pretty good and then like somebody had clearly taken a pickaxe to donald trump star so i was like damn dude like that kind of sucks i don't know what he got the star for if it's probably a tv show maybe it's the apprentice i used to watch the apprentice back in the day growing up my mom and i would uh we had like a thing where we'd like have a little picnic in front of the tv and watch the apprentice and despite the fact that I don't know how good the production value was in that show, and it was definitely reality TV.
It was very, very interesting as a kid. Like, hey, in this video, you need to make a hot dog stand and then make $10 ,000 with it. First one at $10 ,000 or whatever, I'd be like, how the hell are they doing that?
So a lot of that's probably subconscious sleep and bouncing around my head growing up. Anyway, taking you back to the star was not doing too hot. There was a lot of graffiti and shit on it, too.
So yeah, anyway, that was fun, all in all. Got back yesterday, and I'm just going to grind it out from here on out. I feel an immense level of urgency, immense level of urgency with developments that are currently occurring, and I'm going to act on it.
So that's it for me. Have a lovely rest of the day, and I'll catch all y 'all in tomorrow's video. Bye.
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