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The Spell Behind Every Big Lie

Owen Benjamin, the most de-platformed man in comedy, explains how charged words smuggle false premises past your guard — and why the master spell is convincing you that you are not enough.

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Big Idea

The argument in one line.

A 'spell' is a charged word that smuggles a false premise past your critical guard, and the master spell underneath all the others is convincing you that you are not enough so you surrender your agency.

Who This Is For

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READ IF YOU ARE…
  • A writer, marketer, or comedian who wants a working theory of how emotionally charged language moves people past their critical filter.
  • Anyone who feels manipulated by buzzwords like 'safe and effective' or 'melting pot' and wants a concrete question to disarm them.
  • Someone tracking Owen Benjamin's arc — the cancellation, the platform bans, the farm, the book How to Slay a Wizard.
  • A creator studying deniability-through-comedy: how joke structure lets you say things that would be censored as straight claims.
SKIP IF…
  • You want a fact-checked, evidence-first discussion — the back half asserts nukes, space, the moon landing, and Antarctica are fake with no supporting proof.
  • You have no tolerance for deliberately provocative race, identity, and sexual material used as rhetorical fuel.
  • You are looking for a tight 20-minute lesson rather than a three-hour rambling interview.
TL;DR

The full version, fast.

Owen Benjamin argues that language works like magic: a 'spell' is a charged word carrying a hidden modifier that gets a false premise past your critical gate, and his defense is to stop and ask the buzzword to name its referent ('safe for who? effective at what?'). Rhetoric, he says, points at truth without being literally true, and the energy he loads into a line (often race or identity) is just the carrier that spreads the underlying point. The deepest spell is 'you are not enough' — nihilism that makes you hand over agency — and the antidote is owning your own labor, family, and platform so there is no vector left to grab. The persuasion framework in the first hour is the reusable core; the later conspiracy claims are asserted, not proven.

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Voices

Who's talking.

00:00hostJack Neel
00:00guestOwen Benjamin
Chapters

Where the time goes.

00:00 – 01:45

01 · Cold open

Narrated intro: the most canceled comedian, professor parents, Renaissance-fair start, one tweet that ended his career. States the episode promise.

01:45 – 07:00

02 · The joke that got him canceled

The David Hogg bit, the Caitlyn Jenner and LGBT material, and why he refused to apologize for jokes he considered accurate.

07:00 – 10:20

03 · Losing everything

Banned from social and payment platforms, forced to build his own servers; reframes the collapse as the best thing that happened — farm, four kids, own platform.

10:20 – 14:00

04 · Why he pushed back

Comics complied when the money got big; he argues a comedian who can't be bought is the real threat.

14:00 – 21:40

05 · Population, family, and the Rogan episodes

Family is wealth / money is debt; his read on why elites discourage children; the deleted Joe Rogan episodes.

21:40 – 22:35

06 · Ad break (car insurance)

Host-read sponsor: car-insurance comparison tool at jackneel.com/auto.

22:35 – 28:40

07 · Words are spells

The core framework: charged words, hidden modifiers, and the 'safe for who, effective at what' defense; grammar as grimoire.

28:40 – 35:20

08 · Spells, slavery, and giving up agency

A spell is rhetoric designed to hand another person authority over you; 'slavery is a choice' as the line that gets shut down.

35:20 – 40:50

09 · Rhetoric points at truth

Why the best rhetoric is emotionally charged but not literally true, and how he jabs to see where people jab back.

40:50 – 42:00

10 · Demonstrating a spell live

Owen builds a manipulation on the spot — seeding paranoia about a partner with stats and 'clinical studies' until the behavior becomes real.

42:00 – 51:20

11 · Every lie needs some truth

Why spells must contain a kernel of truth to resonate; the human pull toward morality and the hero story.

51:20 – 53:20

12 · Original sin and baptism

His non-original-sin, choice-based view of faith; why he calls infant baptism the wrong default.

53:20 – 57:00

13 · Religion, culture, and behavior

How religious texts shape group behavior; the argument that a person's real religion shows in their actions.

57:00 – 57:40

14 · Ad break (Gemini Bitcoin card)

Host-read sponsor: Gemini Bitcoin credit card at jackneel.com/credit.

57:40 – 1:07:05

15 · What the farm taught him

Farming as the master metaphor: grain, gates, debt, and 'every government is a farmer of man'; nobility as the only real defense.

1:07:05 – 1:14:10

16 · Free will and influence

The paradox of free will under constant influence; his salmon-for-dinner story as a microcosm of taking agency.

1:14:10 – 1:20:20

17 · Religion, identity, and the shell game

Religion as 'belief in a thing that makes you happy'; race-versus-religion as a legal shell game; his 'spiritual Christian' framing.

1:20:20 – 1:29:50

18 · The most powerful wizard and cancel culture

A movie idea about the origin of spells; the 'no living heroes' policy he says a Hollywood insider told him.

1:29:50 – 1:40:55

19 · Eels, penguins, Antarctica, space

The fringe turn: unexplained eel reproduction, penguins and tuxedos, the Antarctic treaty and hidden gold, and doubts about space.

1:40:55 – 1:47:05

20 · AI is the biggest lie of 2026

AI as a real tool wrapped in existential-threat rhetoric that, like blood diamonds, makes people invest out of fear.

1:47:05 – 1:58:12

21 · Nukes and game theory

His claim that nuclear weapons are a controlling fiction sustained by game theory, and the Hiroshima surrender counter-narrative.

1:58:12 – 2:05:50

22 · Epstein, wizards, and living forever

Why he thinks Epstein chased physics — the wizard's fantasy of cracking the code and cheating death — and feeding, not just blackmailing, elites.

2:05:50 – 2:13:35

23 · OCD, ritual, and manual labor

OCD as ritual without purpose; manual labor as 'OCD right-side up' that discharges anxiety through visible accomplishment.

2:13:35 – 2:21:40

24 · IQ, identity, and admitting you're wrong

Why high IQ can make you trappable with models; praising Tucker for admitting he was wrong about the Iraq war.

2:21:40 – 2:33:20

25 · Provocations: Fuentes, cults, looksmaxxing

Deliberately provocative bits on a named figure, why people call him a cult leader, and why he thinks looksmaxxing lowers a man's value.

2:33:20 – 2:44:22

26 · Money, land, and how dollars are printed

Physiognomy; money as points in a rigged game versus land, silver, and gold; how mortgages create money from nothing.

2:44:22 – 2:56:04

27 · Kubrick, the Matrix, and closing

Eyes Wide Shut and Kubrick's death; art that exposes power without intending to; synchronicities and the red-pill inversion.

Atomic Insights

Lines worth screenshotting.

  • A spell is a charged word with a hidden modifier that slips a false premise past your critical guard before you can question it.
  • The one habit that breaks most spells is refusing the buzzword and asking it to name its referent: safe for who, effective at what.
  • Rhetoric points at the truth without being literally true, which is why 'family is wealth, money is debt' works as a frame even though it is not a balance sheet.
  • The topics that get you censored, not the ones ignored, mark exactly where the sensitive lies are — coverage reveals the location of the problem.
  • The master spell under all the others is 'you are not enough,' because a person who believes he was created properly is far harder to control.
  • Spellcasting is just marketing: make someone feel broken, then sell them the fix, the way Gillette sells 'the best a man can get.'
  • The moment you say an outside force made you do it, you have handed over your free will and the manipulation starts working.
  • Jokes are censorship-proof because you cannot quote a joke as a policy statement, which is why comedy carries claims that straight speech cannot.
  • Framing a claim as merely 'fun to ponder' lowers a listener's defenses far more than a dialectical argument ever will.
  • Forgiveness is not weakness — refusing resentment is what actually severs the hold a manipulator has over you.
  • Manual, visible labor builds self-esteem through constant small wins, which is why abstract high-status jobs leave people anxious and empty.
  • Owning your own food, family, platform, and well removes the vectors a controller needs to grab, which is the real freedom move after cancellation.
Takeaway

How charged words move you past your own guard.

WHAT TO LEARN

The reusable core of this three-hour talk is a working theory of persuasion: emotionally loaded words carry hidden premises, and your defense is to make the word name its referent.

  • Treat any polished slogan as a spell with a hidden modifier, and disarm it by asking who and what it actually refers to before you accept it.
  • Recognize that persuasive rhetoric is not meant to be literally true; the emotional charge is a carrier that spreads an underlying point, so judge the point, not the packaging.
  • Notice that the claims that get censored, not the ones ignored, mark where the sensitive material is — reactions map the terrain.
  • See the oldest sales move for what it is: make you feel not enough, then sell you the fix, whether the product is a razor, a diet drug, or an ideology.
  • Keep your agency by refusing the phrase 'it made me do it' — the moment you locate the cause outside yourself, the manipulation gains its grip.
  • Understand why comedy carries claims that straight speech cannot: a joke can't be quoted as a policy statement, so humor is the vehicle that slips past gatekeepers.
  • Discharge anxiety through visible, finishable work — small completed tasks build the sense of control that abstract, never-ending jobs strip away.
  • Weigh the fringe back half skeptically: the nuke, space, and Antarctica claims are asserted without evidence, and the value here is the method, not the conclusions.
Glossary

Terms worth knowing.

Spell
Owen's term for a charged word or phrase carrying a hidden modifier that smuggles a false premise past your critical filter, getting you to feel and believe something so you act on it.
Wizard
His label for a person who wields spells rather than doing real work — someone who sets a narrative and pulls resources, contrasted with people who actually build and make things.
Charged word / sigil
A word or symbol loaded with emotional associations (like a brand logo) so that seeing or hearing it triggers a programmed feeling before conscious thought.
Polarity seating
Owen's phrase for running two contradictory messages at once so people get exhausted and mentally shut down, making them easier to steer.
X-ray / sonar theory
The idea, credited to a Tucker Carlson conversation, of reading claims by their reverse contrast: watching where reactions and censorship spike to locate the hidden problem.
Toilmaxing
Owen's coinage for deliberately doing hard, unnecessary physical labor for the psychological reward of visible accomplishment and better sleep.
Grimoire
A historical book of magic spells; Owen uses its shared root with 'grammar' to argue that written language and spellcasting come from the same lineage.
Resources

Things they pointed at.

46:00bookHow to Slay a Wizard (Owen Benjamin's book)
22:00productCar insurance comparison tool ↗
57:10productGemini Bitcoin credit card ↗
1:28:50channelJerry Marzinski (prison psychiatrist on the voices schizophrenics hear)
1:01:40linkSeverance (Apple TV+ series referenced re: split identities)
2:44:40linkEyes Wide Shut / Stanley Kubrick
Quotables

Lines you could clip.

02:55
“I could end billion-dollar propaganda campaigns with one sentence, and that really pissed people off.”
The episode's stated promise, delivered flat — a self-contained cold-open hook.→ TikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
26:40
“When someone says safe and effective, ask: safe for who, effective at what?”
The single most actionable line in the episode — a portable BS detector.→ IG reel cold open↗ Tweet quote
35:30
“Rhetoric points at the truth. It's not true. The energy is what spreads it.”
Distills his whole theory of persuasion in one line.→ newsletter pull-quote↗ Tweet quote
1:00:00
“Every government is a farmer of man — grain, gates, debt, all the same terminology.”
A vivid, transferable metaphor that lands without setup.→ TikTok hook↗ Tweet quote
1:25:00
“The demon can't make you do anything. It's a suggestion, an offer. The minute you say it made you, you've given up your free will.”
Reframes agency in a way that works for religious and secular audiences alike.→ IG reel cold open↗ Tweet quote
2:08:20
“OCD is ritual without a purpose. Manual labor is OCD right-side up.”
Surprising, tight reframe of anxiety and work.→ newsletter pull-quote↗ Tweet quote
2:18:20
“That's how you break your own spells — none of us are always right. Just admit it.”
Clean redemption beat that pairs with the Tucker/Iraq admission.→ IG reel cold open↗ Tweet quote
Topic Map

Where the conversation goes.

01:45 – 10:20denseCancellation and platform bans
22:35 – 40:50denseThe spell / word-magic framework
35:20 – 51:20denseRhetoric vs literal truth
51:20 – 1:20:20steadyReligion, faith, and identity
57:40 – 1:07:05denseFarming as the master metaphor
1:29:50 – 1:58:12steadyConspiracy tour (Antarctica, nukes, space, AI)
2:05:50 – 2:21:40denseSelf-worth, labor, and free will
2:33:20 – 2:44:22steadyMoney, land, and how dollars are created
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00:00Today's guest is the most canceled man in comedy. Slavery is a choice. If you're dealing with a population where they say competition is the only sin, you want people to choose
00:11that. Like, oh, no. I'm I'm nothing.
00:14I'm a speck of dust in an infinite vacuum spinning, and my ancestors are retarded monkeys. The son of two professors in Upstate New York, he started his career at the Renaissance Fairs taking tomatoes to the face for nine hours a day. I mean, statistically,
00:26Stephen Hawking living fifty years is 0%. So like the smartest man in the world that just decoded that there's no God has a brain disease so bad he can't speak, but yet he's watching midgets do math on Epstein Island like,
00:38no. Eventually, he became one of Adam Sandler's go to comics, starring in countless movies, TV shows, and his own primetime sitcom until 2017 when he made one tweet that sparked the end of his career.
00:49I could end billion dollar
00:52propaganda campaigns with one sentence, and that really pissed people off. In this episode, we'll explore the patterns he got canceled for noticing, expose the word magic he says powerful people use to keep you trapped, and question whether the truth actually set him free or instead cost him his sanity. The spell behind all the spells is that you are not enough.
01:10Because if you know you're enough, if you know you're created properly, you're way less likely to be Owen Bichigan. Welcome to the Jack Neil podcast. Yeah.
01:17I love when you reach out. I like your podcast. I was listening to one about a you got me interested in in travel agency.
01:23Really? Like that one with the travel agent, I'm like, that's pretty interesting, and I would never think that's interesting. Like, I like that pot a lot.
01:29I was like, rich people travel agent. That must have some great stories.
01:34You know? Yeah. It's funny that people that work with rich people usually have the best stories.
01:39Like, we did, like, a club promoter or something, and he had some really good stuff as well. Yeah. They're, like, insane.
01:44You know? And the one you just did with Tucker, I I was I was blown away with that. I thought that was amazing.
01:49I appreciate that, man. Yeah. Owen, at one point in your career, you were starring in Adam Sandler movies, had your own sitcom, and were a regular guest on Joe Rogan until 2017.
02:03You've since been banned from every major social media platform, payment platform,
02:07and even had to build your own servers to have a voice online. Yeah. I was banned from stuff people don't even know exists.
02:13Like, I was banned from DLive, like, Trovo. No one knows that Podbee.
02:18I'm not really as much anymore, though. I've been, like, super happy lately because the the the the vibe is, like, pulled back. And now I get to just enjoy the ride, but for a while there, it was nuts.
02:27Like, I was banned from all theaters. People don't think that's possible, but, like, it's not that I could like, I understand that people don't wanna book me because I'm too hilarious. Right?
02:38I would book it and pay for it and sell my own tickets, and then they would cancel it, like, over and over again. And that's when I started thinking conspiratorially because I'm like, how is that possible?
02:48Like, don't they wanna make money? Like, I've never been accused of a misdemeanor. You know?
02:52I'm like, I go from being repped at CAA and being known for the guy that gets along with everybody to be in this, like, exile in the wilderness, and now I'm back to people who are like, man, you're so hopeful, and I haven't even changed that much. It's like like, three years ago, I'm saying this stuff that people are saying now, and I'm just like, oh, you're a madman.
03:12And now people are saying it so much that people think that I'm, like, this hopeful, optimistic white pill guy. And I'm, like, I'm saying the same thing. So what exactly did you say that made you the most canceled comedian?
03:25It was I I made fun of David Hogg for the gun stuff. I said, I'm not gonna take advice about my family's protection from a guy that can't grow pubes. And they said I got banned from Twitter for that for sexualizing a child.
03:38So who's who's David Hogg? Oh, you don't remember that? It's who they rolled out.
03:42He was, like, one one of these shooting, you know, events. And he was a a child victim.
03:49And he was like, everyone has to give up their guns. And I know how they do that. You front load, you know, like, Stephen Hawking in a wheelchair.
03:57No one can criticize his madness. Or, like, Helen Keller is deaf, dumb, and blind, so her thoughts on eugenics and socialism, you can't question. You know?
04:05It's like, I know they use children where it's like like, right now with the Erika Kirk, like, the widow. And so as a former heckler, and I understand wizard spells, I'm like, okay.
04:15Then just make fun of that. Like, he's not even in the room.
04:18He's 17, and my point is valid. I'm like, Vice has published minor attracted person article.
04:25Like, they're trying to normalize. Yeah. They're saying I sexualize a 17 year old for pointing out that he's not a man and can't talk to me as a man.
04:33Right? And so and then Caitlyn I said Caitlyn Jenner was woman of the year, hasn't been a woman for a full year, and now people all think that's a Dave Chappelle joke.
04:40I said that's six years prior. And then I did the whole LGBT bit where I'm like, it started with the l's, and the l's just wanted a Subaru and a knickknack, and then you got the g's.
04:50And they're a lot more into real estate. And the b's, they'll fuck anybody. Like, Dave's whole bit, I did six years earlier.
04:56And then, uh, because they were launching Caitlyn at that point, and that's when I thought the world had gone nuts. I'm like, we're comedians. Bruce Jenner may have just cut off his penis.
05:06Like, that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. The Wheaties guy on the Kardashian show is wearing a dress.
05:14You know? And I'm, like, looking at guys that six months earlier are doing these bits, and then everything just shifted.
05:20And I'm like, guys, I don't, like, change like you guys. I'm not motivated by, like, money and status and stuff. I'm like, I really just wanna be funny.
05:29And and they got so threatened by then they started attacking, and normally people just back down. But I like, I know how bullies work, and that's the best way to get me to, like, never back down is I'm like, I can't apologize when I'm not sorry.
05:43Like, what am I sorry about? Is David Hogg a man to tell me to not have a gun? Like, what am I sorry about?
05:49You know? I'm like, Lena Dunham just said she wished she had an abortion. I'm like, are you not offended by that?
05:54I'm like, what are the rules? And and so, oddly, it, like, sucked at the time.
06:00It was very painful. And there was a lot of, like, what I perceived as betrayal and financial stuff and all that. But looking back, it was it's like the best thing that ever happened because I got off the road and had four children that I now it's like the best thing ever.
06:15If I was on the road, you know, PANDAS only ovulate three days a year. Women, it's like one day a month. I would have missed a lot of ovulations.
06:22And then I had to build my own platform, and then I just started farming. I never would have done that. But I'm like, I'm not wearing a mask during COVID, and if you don't let me in the grocery store, I will have food.
06:33You know? And I started teaching classical piano again. And then the world shifted again, and now I'm like, people look at me like I'm fine.
06:41And I'm like and I don't hold any resentment. I think that's pretty important now.
06:46It's like no hard feelings. You know? I get it.
06:48People get scared. And just to put it into perspective, like, how much were you making roughly at the peak of your career? Time, I was making, like, $30 a week.
06:56Like yeah. And that, like you know, nowadays, people make a ton. But back then, I was, you know, I was, like, a a high level working comic.
07:06I was I was on I was in the mural at the improv. I was never, like, a, like, a huge star guy, but I was, like, as a craftsman, very respected. You know?
07:15I, like, would do big events. Like, I would host award shows with DiCaprio and you know what I mean? How old were you when all this kinda went off?
07:23I was in my thirties. It was 2007 '16 and '17.
07:29I think the Trump thing really shook everyone, and then BlackRock started funding overseas movies a lot. And and and all these comedians just complied. Some didn't.
07:40But I'm like, we're the guys that are supposed to make fun of this. Like, we're not supposed to make this much money.
07:46Like like, I remember I I in 2013, I did an hour special for Comedy Central, and I got paid a $100. And, like, now people are getting millions from Netflix because they got the whole you know, the money printers going in there.
07:58But, like, I remember being like, this is this is crazy. Like, I've I should make, like, $2.10 a year maybe.
08:06I'm like, good. But, like, 900?
08:09Like, I'm retarded. Like, I'm just making you know? And then I realized that the value is the social engineering where they'd like, as a comedian, you know, low to mid 6 figure, yeah, I'm good at my job.
08:21But, like, you you're worth millions if you shut up at the times they want you to shut up. And I'm not gonna do that because I'm not gay.
08:30Do you think there was any messaging that you were pushing, like, unknowingly?
08:34Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
08:35I pushed tons of I've like that's the thing. I'm not even self righteous. I I've been wrong, like, a ton.
08:40I just admit it when I'm wrong. Like, I look back and because I used to think, like, drinking was awesome.
08:47Like, I'd be like, man, dude, how great is it to just get hammered?
08:54Like, all kinds of shit, man. Yeah. I I was, like, verging on nihilism for a good chunk of my life, but I was never, like, one of those wicked guys that, like, hated people or, like, beauty or, you know, that sound of a child's laughter.
09:07I just was like, who cares? Like, I was never anti gay or anything until they literally went at the kids, like, the joke said they were never gonna do.
09:17It's like, I never cared what people did, but I'm like, you can't put a billboard of a guy with a boner right next to a school and say that's a valid life. So, like, that's damaging.
09:27You know? Right. It's like saying it's cool to be an alcoholic.
09:30You know? It's like, I like to eat too much, which is my thing. You know?
09:33I can really snack with the cookies, especially on a farm. And it's like, no. Everybody does their thing.
09:38But as the great Norm Macdonald said, no one's ever said I wanna make love to your ass about dominance.
09:46You know? It's like, you can love a man. You can love a man so much, you don't wanna give them, like, rectal trauma.
09:51You know what I mean? So feel free to cut any of this.
09:56I can really because the the funniest thing, this isn't actually offensive. I'm just being so artistically literal that people are like, woah. But that's literally what it is.
10:04What I'm curious of here is
10:06something more recent and that I seem like would be a little more what's the word?
10:14Like, pungent to people listening to a podcast on YouTube right now is you had three episodes on Joe Rogan's show. Like, how did you find out that Rogan had deleted all the episodes you guys did?
10:28I don't even know. I just was so disgusted. But now looking back, I no hard feelings.
10:33I get it. That's a weird world to live in. Did he call you?
10:36No. It's all good. You know?
10:41It's like, that's a circle where where you gotta do stuff, and maybe he didn't like the episodes. But
10:47Three episodes.
10:49Yeah. And then they were good. Mean, the third one was a little weird because I was starting to be a little awkward with, like, Kurt was going a little wild, and they were trying to be like because they couldn't they they didn't really know how to say to gatekeep me because they couldn't quote anything.
11:03Because my jokes, when you quote them this is why Wikipedia had to keep deleting stuff because they're jokes. Like, I'm not even making dramatic political claims. I'm like, Barack Obama stole my bike.
11:14Like like, someone will be like, look how racist this is. And and, like, normal, like, alive people just laugh, and they're like, do you not understand that that's just, like, funny?
11:24Like, what? Or I said, I I don't want slavery to come back, but I kinda do so Sean King admits he's white. Like, stuff like that.
11:31And they're like, oh, you're pro slavery. And I'm like, well, you know, with the debt system, we're all kind of there now. You just don't wanna admit it.
11:38And then I get a little too intense.
11:40If you had to boil it down to one joke, though, that was, like, the reason for your cancellation,
11:45like, what do you think was the thing that people were afraid that would spread? That I could I could I could end billion dollar propaganda campaigns with one sentence, and that really pissed people off. You know, like, the pound me too joke that's now, like, been memed billions of times.
12:00You know, like, the the dramatic irony that I don't understand, it's it's not a hashtag. It's a pound. And I'm like, pound me too, ladies.
12:07Way too aggressive. Way too sexual. Like, they like, I got kicked off Patreon and Airbnb.
12:12Like, I owned a house that I was renting on Airbnb under my wife's name, and they said they didn't want to work with someone that mocked the victims of sexual assault. Meanwhile, women that have experienced sexual assault are like, thank you for making fun of this charade because it's just a joke about the word pound.
12:31And I'm like, you have ri on your platform right now. Like, what? And then I'm like, oh, I get it because the threat because I don't have, like, a lot of violent tendencies.
12:43I'm not very political. I'm not even that ambitious with business stuff. I'm ambitious with art.
12:48But, like, I was like I always thought it was this big misunderstanding. Like, no. I'm not threatening, guys.
12:53I'm just, like, hilarious. But I am threatening because I show that, like, you can be productive outside of a monopoly, and now I get why they're terrified of that.
13:02And I promote, um, children. Because the main thing is population reduction. It's like, don't have kid.
13:08Oh, if you have a child, the seas will rise. You know? And it's like, no, dude.
13:12I said family is wealth, money is debt, and they, like, freaked out. Like, family is your wealth. I can make labor force with my wean.
13:20Right? People are like, there's no labor in the future. I'm like, I just made four.
13:24They worked their ass off. It's like, I can't afford kids. I'm like, dude, they make me money.
13:29I'm like Fagan and Oliver Twist. You know? And that's like because, you know, these the the evil of the world isn't an identity.
13:36It's a behavior, and they they're they're envious of, like, life and, like, truth and joy. You know? Like, people on a yacht see me on a pontoon boat having a blast, and they're miserable, and they, like, get real mad at that.
13:48So they wanna break it. It's like getting rid of bad I bonded with Tucker about architecture. They see, like, beautiful domes made out of stone from Toilmaxing, and they're like, let's bomb that and put up something disgusting.
14:01You know? And that's what bothers me. I like beauty.
14:03I like, like, people that are really good at things. You know? Yeah.
14:07So
14:08on the population portion, like, why do you think they don't want us to have kids?
14:13Because family's wealth. Family is like that's what you and Tucker talked about that I thought was so beautiful. When Tucker was like, the big lie is that there's a power above them.
14:23Like, the narcissist is like, I'm the the most powerful. So anything above them, like, any father would do more for his wife and child than the banker.
14:35Right? And so that purpose is so threatening to people that want you alone, addicted, your head swimming with lies because then you'll do whatever.
14:43And it's like, I've never been a control guy. I just I'm like an improv guy. I like to see where things go.
14:48Control guys, it's a nightmare. It's the Tower Of Babel. Every brick is like a a life because you can't keep all the lies going.
14:56Every lie needs to be maintained forever. You can't just let the lies roll. You have to, like, constantly like, Helen Keller.
15:04They they lay off the gas of Helen Keller for five years. It's a joke. She had a British accent.
15:11She couldn't hear anything. She's from Alabama. Couldn't hear anything since she was six months old.
15:15She's like, there's no blindness. I'm like, that's a British she's a British actress.
15:20Her eyes don't dart around. They said she could fly a plane, and she wrote books on Eugenics. I'm like, if you can't see and hear, you don't write books.
15:29Like, you're not speaking. Like, some lady's just doing this. Because why?
15:34What's the theology behind that? The miracle worker. They want to be gods.
15:38They wanna be like, no. We made a miracle. We made this retarded lady, but I think she was an actress.
15:43Right.
15:45Yeah. I've I've never really understood the Helen Keller one. I something I want to ask you about, and I think it's kind of a
15:52low IQ claim in general. I think low IQ might be the way to go. I mean, so
15:57I saw Rogan said on his podcast the most recent time he talked about you. He said Joey Diaz broke you when he gave you an edible. Right.
16:06Right. Because this is what happens when you veer off course,
16:09they look at your skeletons like your like how to shame you. You know? Was that a big moment for you, though?
16:15Not really. Because I have like, my history is so clean. It's laughable.
16:19Right. It's like, like to drink booze and high five. So they're like so it was an interesting moment, though.
16:25So I'm on Joey Diaz's podcast. I don't really consume marijuana, but I'm you know, when in Rome, you're with Joey Diaz.
16:31You know? So I eat this he's like he's like, yo, dog. The star of that dog.
16:36Try to star of that dog. And I'm like, okay, man. Like, I'm down.
16:41It was, like, three hundred milligrams of THC, which I guess is, like they call it a heroic dose. Right? Right.
16:46And so I'm, like, watching him. He's asking me these questions.
16:50He's like, oh, yeah. And I just he, like, starts morphing into, like, a like, a demon kinda. But I wasn't, like, scared.
16:56I just couldn't really talk, and I just started, like, looking up. And imagine if we're doing a pod and I just stopped talking. And so then I go, yo, dude.
17:02I need some water, and then I just went home during the podcast. And then I kinda wanted to leave Los Angeles. But, like, in two days, I was fine.
17:10But for a while, I like, for, like, two days like, I that's why I'm not, like, mad about it because it did give me a perspective. I was like, what the fuck is that?
17:19Because imagine Joey Diaz when you're that high. He's like a cartoon dog. He's like, yo, dude.
17:25When I was down in Florida, you're just like, woah. And and, like, especially because I'm not, like, a a weed guy. Yeah.
17:32So it's like that's what broke me because I don't have that big scandal. Like, you look at my life, and I'm, like, kinda boring.
17:38I like to build stairs and shit. Like, texted you stair pictures. I'm like, dude, look at these stairs.
17:44Like, you know, I have weaknesses, and I, like, mess up and stuff, but my big thing is a fucking hot brownie. Like, Joe Rogan
17:51does, like, DMT and talks to elves and shit. Like, who the fuck is he to judge me about a pot brownie with you know what I mean? Yeah.
17:57He kinda identified that as the moment that things change for you. But I guess when you were starring in these movies, TV shows, did you already kinda have the belief systems that you have now, or was there like a singular moment? Well, I was just into like what I thought was true.
18:11You know, like every comic has to be looking at the truth because if you're not if you're not connected to the truth, you can't make a joke. Right? So it's like music.
18:20You have to bounce it off the truth to make the irony, the hyperbole. Like, I'm actually a craftsman of comedy. I'm not, like, doing a thing.
18:28You know? And so if I let go of truth, it's not even that I'm this noble martyr. I'm like, I it's like cutting out your tongue if you're a singer.
18:35I'm like, I can't live with this new lie that there are bad words. You know, like a word has intention?
18:43That's why I I went hard on that hill too. And I'm not even a guy that's, like, that into, like, those words. I'm just like, a word can't be bad.
18:51It's like saying a color is bad. Like, it's a word. It's it's just an agreed upon sound.
18:57Because I'm always focused at intention. Like, what's your intention? Because I'm big into communication.
19:02Like, I like to use words that people understand. That's why I like to I wrote that book like that because I I know a lot of my parents were in academia, and they like, there's a type of person that likes to sound smart for status, but they're not communicating.
19:15They wanna get you to go, oh, I don't understand, so that means I'm just gonna go with you. Where I'm like, I want I need consent from you.
19:21I want you to understand everything I'm saying. Yeah. Words words shouldn't be gatekept.
19:26And, like Exactly. Reading levels shouldn't be gatekept either. Right.
19:30Some of now that when I was saying I wasn't even joking. I'm like, dude, low IQ might be the move because, like, I used to think I was cool because I had a high IQ, and now I'm looking at all these patsies all have high IQs. And I think high IQ can can make you trappable with, like, models in your head.
19:45Like, they can give you, like, a you know, like, the people I that are the most scared about climate change, a lot of them have super high IQs, and they'll, like, recite all this math. And I'm like, dude, it's all just like, and I know low IQ guys that are like, they can just point shit out.
19:58They're like, that just sounds like bullshit. You know? And I'm just like I'm like because, like, going through that furnace that I went through with the cancellation, which is literally the definition of a holocaust is a burnt offering.
20:10Right? That's what holocaust means. That's why I used to sell mugs that said I survived the holocaust, and I got and it was a rainbow, and I got kicked off a payment processor for that.
20:19And now it would be fine. Because I and I feel like I did. Everyone alive survived the historical event and their own personal holocausts.
20:28But, anyway, when you go through one of those things, you start seeing identities where you're like, I am the smart guy. I am the guy people like.
20:36And and, like, reputation can be an idol, and I I try to really watch out for that now. Reputation can be an idol. Tell me about that.
20:42Yeah. Because I was like, people like me in Los Angeles. I get respect.
20:45Like, I'm I'm considered a great comedian. It was all, like, wiped. And then imagine, like, you're, like, a nice dude.
20:52Like, I battle more with codependence than narcissism. I'm like, if you're happy, I feel happy. You know?
20:58So they're like, you're now full of hate, and you're evil. And I'm like, it hurt.
21:04It was like my identity, but that wasn't really me. You know? Then you start learning what identity is, and you're like, I see that trap with some of these white guys where they're like, we built the cathedrals.
21:14I'm like, bro, you can't build shit. Build some stairs with me. Come on.
21:17No. It's true. You're taking identity credit from shit you didn't do.
21:20You
21:23recently told your story on Tucker's podcast. Yeah.
21:27And this book we have here, How to Slay a Wizard, opens with a series of questions. Why do we call it spelling a word? Mhmm.
21:34Why is cursive called cursive? And why do we broadcast a television signal? What
21:39does language have to do with magic? Every everything.
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22:25What does language have to do with magic? Every everything.
22:28Because magic needs you to believe it and do it. That's why you and Tucker were talking about that. It's like, speak like, abracadabra, fiat.
22:36I speak it into existence. And just like what I was talking about with words can't inherently be evil, it's the belief around the word and the sigil like, the the charged nature of the word, like this Nike swoosh.
22:48You look at the swoosh, you see Venus Williams, Michael Jordan, like, all the things that you're programmed with with emotion. Like, when I was in college, I walked into someone's room, and there was a giant swastika, but he was from India. Right?
22:59So that swastika is charged totally different to, like, a Hindu or a Buddhist person than you know? And so spell like, grammar's from grimoire, which is a a book of spells.
23:11Right? And so words, like, will get you to feel and believe, and then you act in a way that brings it into reality.
23:19That's it's like reverse engineering reality where it's like I was telling this to one of my Jewish friends. I'm like, you guys have been acting so persecuted for so long.
23:27You're kinda bringing it into reality now. You know? Where it's like, if you if you use a word like the Patriot Act.
23:35Right? So you have you have the emotion behind Patriot. You have, like, Thomas Jefferson, Alex Jung, oh, patriotic erection pills.
23:42You know, you got, like, these feelings, but it's about surveillance and, like, all these nonpatriotic things. And those ironies are how spells work, where you put a modifier.
23:51You use a word that gets it to go past your gate. Right? And that's why socially, people don't like to stop and say, what do you mean by that?
23:59And I do that all the time. When someone's like melting pot, I'm like, do you mean by melting pot? What does that mean to you?
24:04Does that mean, like, people shouldn't keep their way of life? Right? Like, does melting pot mean?
24:09People love buzzwords.
24:10Like, what is sis? The spell thing. I've I've not heard many people talk about this online, which I think is interesting.
24:17At least two audiences of young men or older men. And I just want to understand it from a like series of behaviors or like a series of actions, like, maybe an autistic way of explaining it to me?
24:30Like, if you were gonna explain what a spell is to your son, like, youngest son, like, what would you say?
24:35I'd I'd talk about how spelling like, how mind control works when I you have trauma. You have I wouldn't say this to my son, but it like, you know, an autistic friend like you.
24:47No. But it's like, you have roles where you do archetypes. That's how Rome was ruled.
24:52You know, you have the archetypes of the hero and the fool and all that stuff, and then people just start going along with it. And you also have, like, social pressures. You have hypnotism.
25:01You have trans and all that. And underlying it is identity. Right?
25:04So you are that's why I make fun of whites as much as black. I make fun of all identities because I'm trying to help people see it's not them. So, like, as a dot dot dot, right, so now you're saying the I am.
25:19Like, I am this. I'm now connecting my existence to this. And living men and women have real power with will.
25:26You know? So it's like what we can actually create and do things. And so a spell will get in your mind that some like, let's think of a good one.
25:36Safe and effective. Right? Safe and effective.
25:38The question I would ask is for who at what? Safe for who? Effective at what?
25:44Is it is it population control? Is it sterilization? Right?
25:48Is it like because that the spells have to have some truth in it because we resonate with truth. So with safe and effective, you don't wanna kill your grandmother.
25:58Right? So a spell would be okay.
26:00World War one, the white feather. If you didn't wanna fight in the war, they they would give you a white feather, which meant you were a coward and women would treat you badly. That's the spell.
26:10You know, uh, the the AIDS spell. You have the the ribbon that shows that you believe, and then you have the AIDS quilt.
26:17Right? And then you have Fauci feeding you AZT, which all the symptoms are AIDS. Right?
26:22So you take gay dudes that are partying way too hard. They're feeling a lot of shame, and they're like, yeah. I do feel kind of exhausted.
26:29It's definitely not the meth and the sodomy. It must be an exterior thing. I should get some some help for that.
26:35I should get some pills. Yeah. I have a disease, and the pills get you sick.
26:39That's literally what AIDS was. And then you have the guy that survives it named Magic Johnson, like magical penis, like Matt and Greg Louganis.
26:48Same exact time. This sounds disjointed, but follow me.
26:51Same exact time, AIDS is a diet pill being advertised in the eighties. So they're like, AIDS will kill you. Swear to god.
26:59There's all these commercials going, have you tried AIDS? AIDS will get your figure because that's I I call it polarity seating where you get two contradictory things going so people get exhausted and they shut down. And the whole point of a spell is to give over authority.
27:14I'll let you handle it. Agency. That's why I had an agent.
27:16Right? You have my agency now. You can speak for me.
27:20Right. Corporaceration, corporation, the words of the dead, you speak for me.
27:24Right? And then that's the only way they get power. That's why I'm so optimistic.
27:27I'm like, they don't do anything. Like, I think the future's super bright. I know that it's daunting, you know, when you guys were talking about Palantir and you know, that's why little things like I say, Palantir, and people get mad, but you just smile.
27:41Like, it takes the fang out. Because I grew up with gay and queer meant weak. Right?
27:47It didn't mean, like, deep down, are you attracted to him? It just meant weak.
27:51It meant, like, oh, I I don't I can't work outside today. It's raining. It's like, that's gay.
27:57Right? It's shaming weak behavior. And so that's why they tried to pull that word out because when you promote victim consciousness, you make slaves.
28:04You see what I'm saying? So you're saying a spell is
28:08like a series of rhetoric designed at giving another person authority over the Exactly. It's about it's about slavery.
28:15That's why the thing that you asked me what I said. What Kanye said that blew the world away was not about Jews or anything. It's that slavery is a choice.
28:24Boom. That's when they they were like, shut it down. He's insane because it is a choice.
28:29Slavery is easy. You go, no. You decide everything, and I will give you my labor.
28:35You make all the choices. I felt that way. Like, I sometimes miss having an agent.
28:40I'm like, oh, yeah. Talk to the Jewish guy about the money. I don't care about that.
28:44He handles everything. I don't think about that. I don't need to fix my car.
28:48I need to grow my food. I don't need to raise my kids. It's easy.
28:52Right? Slavery is a choice. And so if you're dealing with a population where they say competition is the only sin, Raghavara, it's a quote, You want people to choose that.
29:04Like, oh, no. I'm I'm nothing. I'm a speck of dust in an infinite vacuum spinning, and my ancestors are retarded monkeys.
29:11Right? Right? When you say it clearly, it's ridiculous.
29:14And it's not because I don't know the science. A 186,000 miles or so, 240,000 miles away, the sun is 93,000 miles away.
29:24There's pulsars. Know what they're saying, but I also know why. And I don't think very many people are in on it.
29:30I don't think you need that many people at all. Something I think would be useful for
29:34the entirety of this conversation. Are you familiar with I'm not sure if you watched the entirety of Tucker's and I's podcast, but we talked about, he said the X-ray theory, where, like, you look at things in their reverse contrast.
29:46Dude, genius.
29:47I said that on Rogan. I said, I say things and the sonar beeps back at me, and the lies are where I see where things are. And he was talking about that.
29:56When you look at the lies connecting because why would someone behave that way? They're covered like, people covering something is where I see the problem.
30:04Like, for example, I would be a lot more willing to believe in the moon landing if people are like, I totally see why you think that. But, no, actually, we went there, but I totally get why you think that. I mean, how can you do a tilt up 240,000 miles away in 1969?
30:18I'm like, live television with no camera operator. But we could, but I totally, know it's the gaslighting. You're insane.
30:26You ate a pot brownie once. I'm like, no. Like, I don't have a fear response.
30:30Maybe it's autism, but I'm like, interesting. Like, I don't I don't go, oh, I should socially correct myself. I'm like, why is that not acceptable?
30:39You know? It's interesting too that something I've noticed in terms of the you jab your opponent to see where they jab back is Yeah.
30:46Like,
30:47if I say something in too, like, wordy, too intellectual, too, like, not
30:54emotionally driven of a way, nothing really happens. But it's like when I say something that is said in the right way, that's like when people are mad about it. You know what I mean?
31:04Like, they it just gets ignored. But it's also effective. Rhetoric points at the truth.
31:07It's not true. Like, I could tell you have kind of a dialectic mind. You're like, if you just say the exact truth, people they kinda, like, don't even listen.
31:15But if you say it a little charge that's why I put race and identity in all these things because it gives energy to something, but my dialectic isn't even, like, hateful. It's like, the point I'm making works, but the energy Exactly.
31:28Spreads it. Right. And so what I consider evil is when they use rhetoric and they do a complete one eighty.
31:33Like, when I say some of these things, you know, family is wealth, money is debt, it's not exactly true, but it's rhetorically pointing at the truth. It's like mostly because rhetoric can't be exactly true.
31:45Like, the best rhetoric, you know, it it it evokes emotion. It evokes a metaphor.
31:51There's there's an element of, like, novelty. You know, it's like an art versus, like, just explaining like, could tell you wanted me to just exactly explain what his fella is, and I love that. But it's together is the communication where you have the the the core of the thing you're trying to say, but human beings, they like emotion, baby.
32:10Come on. You gotta sell it with the red dress. That's why that cartoon kept going viral.
32:16They kept deleting it. It kept going viral because it's just so true, and you can tell I don't hate anybody. You see that one with Paul Pott?
32:22So I I do a card I'm just doing a rant, and this dude used to just animate all of them. And it's about an event in the forties, but it's not even about is it true or not. It's about, uh, selling it as a brand.
32:33And so Paul Pott's like, I have a genocide. I kill million of people with my gun. How come no one talks about it?
32:39It's like, because you gotta make movies, baby. You gotta get a girl in a red dress. You got shoes.
32:44You know? And he's like, if you wanna make lasting money on your genocide, you got a branded baby. You need to remind repetition.
32:52You know? Everybody knows that they'd never leave their shoes at a party. Right?
32:56Oh, that's why it's piles of shoes. Because you you can leave a jacket. You know?
33:01Eyeglasses and shoes, you never leave somewhere. You look at shoes, you go that the soul of a shoe. Like, that's called twilight language.
33:08Right? Like, Ellen Degeneret, Bernie Madoff with your money.
33:12Right? It's like, you don't think these things matter, but they do. Remdes is near.
33:16Death is near. It's like sounds like it on a subconscious level. You're like, ah.
33:22Right?
33:23Because the spells only work if they play with your identity a little bit. Yes. That's why dude, the last chapter of my book, I don't mind spoiling.
33:30It's a is the spell behind all the spells is that you are not enough. Because I did this map of, like, I wanna get to primary lies.
33:40Because you have these lies, and I know plenty of good people that believe tons of lies. I still, right now, definitely believe a lie that I don't know. Right?
33:48And it's like I think about that a lot. Yeah. Right.
33:50Like, right now,
33:51what is it that I don't see? Right? Or now, my thing is is to try to just always be grateful and not, like, bitch and complain and say, like, that's what I keep catching myself doing.
34:01Where I'm like, dude, is my thumb really that hurt? Like, I'm breathing with my family in paradise. You know what I mean?
34:08But the primary lie to get everyone to believe this stuff is the same in market oh, dude. Spell spellcasting is marketing.
34:15Right? Is you get someone to think they're not enough. Right?
34:19You you you know, you're not the best a man can get. You need Gillette. Right?
34:23You need like, you're broken. You're an accident. Right?
34:27And that then you believe all this stuff. Like, the world is chaos. This dude in a wheelchair that definitely died fifty years ago that definitely you know, he has a he has a neurological disorder, he's the smartest guy in the world.
34:39Right? Stephen Hawking. You ever you see that bit where he's, like, talking in the translator that I did?
34:45It got, like, 30,000,000 views or so. Like, people are Do you think he's a real person, Stephen Hawking? I don't know logistically how they do that, but I don't think the original Stephen Hawking is the guy.
34:56Dude, the average ALS is five years and you're dead. Oh, yeah. Not only that, it affects your brain.
35:02So, like, the smartest man in the world that just decoded that there's no god has a a brain disease so bad he can't speak, but yet he's on Epstein Island. Right? Because when you one thing I see about lies is they start piling on perversions.
35:15So a guy that can only move his pinky for fifty years is watching midgets do math on Epstein Island, like, no. He also, like, cheated on his wife and then cheated on the girl that he remarried. Yeah.
35:26There's no there's no chance. They're just piling on emotional rhetoric. They're like, and he's banging, and there's violent.
35:32You know? Because it's embarrassment, and the embarrassment makes it more believable. And they they feel they own the brand, so they can just play with it like a toy.
35:39Right? They're like, no. We own Stephen Hawking.
35:42Do you think he's a puppet?
35:44I don't I it's I don't know how that works. I I he could be. I mean, he's literally just does this.
35:50Like, there's almost no movement. But if I say it's like a wax puppet, it's like, that's pretty crazy sounding.
35:57Like, I've I can self reflect. You know? Like, is that not a real guy?
36:01Is that like a puppet? But, like or is it a guy playing or is it just another ALS guy or, like, somebody in a mask?
36:09I don't know. I mean, statistically, Stephen Hawking living fifty years is zero percent.
36:16Right? So it's like, you know, COVID, it's like one in a hundred people. So shut down the so if something's zero percent, I can't be skeptical of that.
36:24Right? Like, imagine if someone's like, oh, yeah. He got pancreatic cancer at three, and he's 90.
36:29You'd be like, what how did he do that? Like, do we have a cure? They'd be like, oh, no.
36:32No. That's antisemitism. Right?
36:34It's like because and another thing is is the messaging is so mind controlling.
36:40It's like, there is no god. You are a mistake. It's all chaos.
36:45Right? So why would someone do that? It's why would an abusive parent say, you're nothing.
36:50You're stupid. No one will ever love you. You're because it's power.
36:53Because if you know you're enough, if you know you're created properly and there is, like, a benevolent god, however you view that, I'm not even, like, banging on books or anything, You're way less likely to be controlled.
37:04You have something to live for. You're like, there is a fair balance in this world. This world is a gift.
37:09If it's nihilism, you're like, why not chop off my dick? Right? Why not give you all my money?
37:14Why not pretend that we're playing golf on the moon? Like, because nothing matters.
37:19The theory of relativity, nothing matters if everything's relative. The dude banged his cousin.
37:25Talking about Einstein? Yeah. Dude, he procreated with his cousin and then banged her sister, and I think he, like, put him in a mental institution.
37:35That guy's a piece of shit. E equals MC squared. Einstein equals married cousin twice.
37:40That's I don't I don't know if that's a spell, but I just think that's funny.
37:45We'll talk about Einstein in a bit, actually. So bad. I can't stand Einstein.
37:50I was curious if you'd be able to demonstrate this concept for me. Like, if you were going to use words to make people afraid of you, or use words to manipulate people's emotions right now, like how would you go about that?
38:05Give me a scenario. Like, okay.
38:07So imagine you want everyone listening to this to think that their partner or the person they love the most doesn't care about them. If I and I asked you this question, what's a sign the person you care about the most doesn't really care about you?
38:20What might you say? Well, I mean, if I was, like, a manipulative piece of shit, I would start citing stats.
38:26I'd be like, you know, the stats are seventy one percent of women are actively talking to their ex boyfriend.
38:34Like, just start seeding all that stuff and then do basic behaviors that women do and say that that clinical studies like, appeal to an authority. Clinical studies, four out of five women, whatever it is, like the Edward Burney shit, that that behavior means something bad.
38:48And since all women are doing that and then if you get mad at them while they're doing it, it will create that world. Think about that. That's how a spell works.
38:56So, like, let's say that if she's on her phone, that means she's, you know I do something where you just get slightly paranoid. Right?
39:03Right. And so then you start being like, what are you doing over there?
39:07And then in her mind, she's like, what's up with Jackman? You know? And then she starts attaching a little bit, which, like, makes it like you think you're right.
39:14So then you start changing, and then you actually start, like, distancing. Right.
39:19That's the spell. Right? That's that's how it work.
39:22Like, I see it with, like even though I do a lot of provocative race stuff, I see stuff like that racially all the time. Like, if you treat let's say you treat a black guy like he's definitely a criminal and he's not, he's just gonna be like he's gonna start getting pissed off, and then he's gonna start feeling like it's unfair.
39:38And eventually, there's a chance he'll be like, I might as well. You've given me this identity. Exactly.
39:43Like, I felt that way. I felt twinges of that when I'm the man of hate. I'm like, who fucking care?
39:48You already gave me this identity. What's the point? Like, I will just say, I then I hate you.
39:52You know? And then I'm like, but I that's the reaction is is like, they're trying to, uh, that's when I got more loving. That's the true antisemitism.
40:01It's just productivity and love.
40:04Like, antisemitism, Semite is Arabs. Right. So that spell kicked off in Seinfeld.
40:10No one was using that before the episode where his uncle kept calling everyone an antisemite. Laugh track is appeal to consensus.
40:18Right? So you're like, am I the only one that doesn't find this funny? Everyone else is laughing.
40:22Like, we're we're trained that, like, if we're kicked out of the community, that's, like, the worst thing ever. Everyone's laughing with me, so this must be funny. And he keeps being like, you're an anti Semite, and it was seen as a joke.
40:34It was, like, retarded. Like, what is anti Semite? No one even knew what the word meant.
40:38And Semite means Palestinian. Right?
40:41So it's like, I see when things get real twisted, it's always the opposite. Like, the the root of the word racist is another insane inversion. General Pratt and the Union Army, they're slaughtering American Indians.
40:54Let's say in Iroquois, we're like, we we pray to coyote. We speak this way.
41:00They called that racist. They're like, if you don't melt with the whites, like, if you keep your race, that's evil.
41:06So, like, the identity of being a an American Indian in a confederacy and then and then Trotsky ran with it.
41:14He's like, we can run with this with the Russian empire. We get the, you know, the Estonians and the Latvians. And then if you get that tension control versus a confederacy where you can all sit sit down as people with a way of life, but you all have equal souls and you all, like, respect each other based on your morality, you're fine.
41:32You're saying that racism was
41:34coined when Native Americans, like, generals were trying to get them to kill Native Americans.
41:40It wasn't to get them to, like, get into our population or, like, melt birds of you us. No longer have your way of life. And don't get me I'm not backing the wagon burners.
41:49You know what I mean? I'm just kidding. But, like, it's just ironic.
41:52It's just when you look at it mathematically, it's an irony that, like, an Elizabeth Warren type who's claiming to be one three hundredth Cherokee, the word racist was to eliminate the Cherokee identity.
42:04Not yeah. It's not but it wasn't to say you're better than people. Like, because I am actually against someone saying, because of my skin color, I'm inherently better than usually, that means the person's a loser.
42:15Right? Because they're trying to appeal to something they haven't done. It's like parasitic behavior.
42:19But you have a right to say, I have kin. I have history. I have a language.
42:23I have a way of life, and I don't wanna change that. And that's what racist originally meant. Just like anti Semite is an inversion.
42:29All this shit is an inversion. It's kind of funny. One reason I can see this is because it's written like jokes.
42:35Like, the devil's a comedian. I'm like, I I
42:39see this as, like, joke structure. You know? On that portion, you said something along the lines of that there has to be some truth to some of these spells.
42:47Absolutely. Always.
42:50Why? Because we're this is the good news. I think we're all naturally pulled to the truth.
42:56I think the human condition although sometimes we can feel like, oh, man. I suck.
43:01Or, like, why do people do these horrible things? I think most people want work that they can be proud of.
43:07They wanna be respected. They wanna they're pulled towards morality. They're pulled towards the hero story.
43:12You know? And so unless you have that unless you have that resonance with something true, it's nakedly absurd.
43:18It's like but that's how I see Stephen Hawkenau. Right? Like, I see so much as nakedly absurd.
43:23Like, sometimes I try to be pragmatic, but I'm like, guys, like, this is fucking retarded. Like like, what are you like, margarine.
43:32Right? They're like, butter's bad for you. We're gonna give you all these chemicals that literally give you cancer, and you're gonna pay us at like, what?
43:42Like, Bill Bill Gates gets awards for lowering the population of the world at scale.
43:50Like, that's what the population award from the UN is. And he's a convicted criminal who has designed a system where he creates viruses and then sells software to get rid of viruses.
44:01Why would you inject something in your body from that guy? Like, that's like like, it's like a guy from a shadow. Like, it's like, what?
44:10You know what I mean? It's interesting. Yeah.
44:12It seems like the people who present some of these ideas are like the
44:18antithesis to the person who should be presenting the ideas that you would listen to. Empty vest. That's why I don't even blame them.
44:23I think the high higher up you go, the more they're, like, not even there. They, like, aren't thinking or doing. They're, like, gone.
44:30You know, I don't like, imagine if Bill like, Bill Gates can't be like us. He can't imagine Bill Gates is like, I don't think pandas are real.
44:37They'd probably kill him in ten minutes. Like, that's why money isn't wealth. They take all his money immediately.
44:42Like, look at Kanye. He says three things. He's no longer a black billionaire.
44:46Bang. Because it's it is illusionary. It's like you get to have, like, this money, but we'll take it.
44:53But then if you actually are productive and and apply service and I saw that because I didn't crash. I'm actually doing pretty well now because, like, I I kept thinking, like, what's gonna make my audience laugh? How am I gonna teach people?
45:04Like, and now I have loyalty and people pay me, and it's, like, it's great. Like, because they can't control the thing that that was threatening about me is I realized you could do a stand up comedy special in a in a field of grass Because the spell is theater, comedy club.
45:21I'm like, dude, my audience built me as, uh, like, a stage, and it looks as good as a Netflix thing, and it's in a hayfield in Missouri in the middle of nowhere. Like, that's shocking to people that are that run on dude, they put a square on their head and wear a dress, and they're like, this makes me smart.
45:38I have a square on my head. Like, a square on your head. And I have a college degree, but you put a fucking square on your head.
45:46Why do you think it's a square?
45:48It's a mason board. That's why when people are always making fun of masons, I'm like That was just random. I didn't expect anything there.
45:53No. No. It's a mason board.
45:54It's all like, masonry is the whole thing. It's like all universities are all masonry. And some of it is even bad.
46:01It's like the metaphor of you're building a structure of the mind or whatever, and then you have the nefarious aspects. But, yeah, that's where you put the this is why being a a jack of all trades is cool because I've done masonry. You have this fucking square, and that's where you put your your shit that you make everything.
46:17And then I looked into it, and it literally is that.
46:20I don't know how to ask about this properly, but When think about the people doing these spells Yeah.
46:27Like, how would I figure out where where it's coming from? Like, who knows how to do this? The thing.
46:31It's it's you can locally look at it, and I do think it's spiritual, like what you and Tucker I just can't explain it. But I think it's a world you can't see, but I don't know how to, like, describe that or, like, be an expert at that.
46:44But, like, do you show the similar view to Tucker that it's angels and demons and people are channeling those things? Those are you know? I I grew up in a town where the Catholic churches were nuts.
46:53So it's like, I understand that people recoil from words like angels and demons, but, like, yeah, I think there's entities you don't see that either have benevolent or maleficent intentions. I think sometimes, like, what he was saying about you know, the Greeks called it a muse.
47:08You know? It's like, to inspire means they have a spirit in you. You know?
47:11It's like, and that happens to me all the time. Like, as an artist, like, that whole pool pot cartoon, I don't even remember.
47:17I just was saying the dialogue as it happened, and someone just did it. Like, I've done that with classical music and stuff. Where is it coming from?
47:25You know, dude? And then you get into the brain. The top brain people don't know what the fuck a brain is.
47:30They're like, it's so funny. My buddy just was at the Mayo Clinic for some crazy shit, and the guy's like, we don't know.
47:35It could be this or maybe not. It's like, I think it's a receiver. So from my experience and this is why I was having a great chat with Bill Zarian and Tucker.
47:46Some of these guys that have been in those circles and I've been in those circles, they're not as impressive as people think. Like, some of those top guys are, like, in my opinion, they're vessels.
47:55There's some impressive, very rich people, but some of those guys are just, like they just seem so vacated that, like, some high level shit is in there.
48:05Like what? I don't know. Like, an intention because for me, like, evil to me on a human level is short.
48:11It's like, oh, I'm scared. I'm gonna eat the brownie.
48:14You know? It's, like, short. It's not, like, a hundred and fifty year plan to do some crazy shit.
48:19You know, human evil is typically fear and weakness. Right? That's what sin means, miss the mark, debt, weakness.
48:25There's a type of evil where it's like one thing I don't equate with evil is patience. Like, human evil doesn't, like, sit around and wait. Right?
48:34They're like, you know? And so what is that? I don't know.
48:37Maybe there's no demons or angels, but, like, to me, logically, it seems like an architecture. You know? And I think, like, not sleeping enough brings that in.
48:46That's why I think meth is so fucked for people. Like, I think if you don't sleep enough, you start being like, why was that thought in my head?
48:52Ever have that? You don't sleep for, like, a day and a half when you're in the grocery store? And sometimes I'll think like, oh, that guy sucks.
48:59Just for no reason. And I'm like, I'm not that guy. Who what the fuck was that?
49:02Right. Like, where was that thought from? You know Jerry Marzinski?
49:07No. I don't. He's a psychiatrist that was in prisons.
49:11You know, the the there's a movie called, what's that called? It's Notorious or Nefarious?
49:16Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
49:16Angel Studios?
49:18That was basically his life. So he's a he he goes in there. He starts asking the schizophrenics what the voices are saying, and no one else is asking them.
49:25And he's like, dude, they're corroborating. Like, this is weird. And he he started realizing that they're like, two schizophrenics could see the same shadow guy.
49:34And he's, like, very secular, and I had him on my podcast. It was fascinating. It's like it's like sometime and then they they like drugs and sleep deprivation, exhaustion, right, working so hard, contradicting thoughts.
49:47Because when you get tired, you're like you give away agency. Oh, why didn't someone else take the wheel? I'm tired.
49:53And then I don't know what the the system is. I don't know. I I would love to have more of, a religious doctrine that I know is true.
50:01I have, like, deep faith, but I don't know the structure. You know?
50:04I don't trust the Catholic priest. You know? But I think their demon shit is more valid than a lot of the psychiatry shit.
50:10You at least think it's a helpful framework. Oh, yeah. I think it's way better than the current DSM whatever framework.
50:17Yeah. Like, I have a buddy that was a crack addict that's like, he he swears he knows the whole thing. He's like, there's low level demons that are just like, shut up.
50:25They were just, like, impulsive, and then there's higher up ones that are like, I want you to go to this address. You know?
50:31And there's almost like a hierarchy of them. And then I think angels are subtle, and they're synchronistic where you just like it's like a little wink. You just see something.
50:38You're like, how did that all work out? I think angels aren't loud. I think it's just like these these subtle beauties that happen.
50:45You know?
50:48That's an interesting one. I wanted to ask you I usually don't challenge people on their beliefs, but challenged me, bro. Come on.
50:56I I think you're one of the only people I've had on that has this belief that debt is slavery, and you have this belief that the big trick is making you believe that you're not enough.
51:10Yeah. But also, you seem to have a monotheistic belief in God, and a lot of people point to the fact that original sin I'm not an original sin guy, I've had debate. Yeah.
51:20I my mom
51:21was almost gonna be a nun. She went to, like, a Jesuit masters in theology. She was, like she said that when her first son was born, she was like, this baby isn't flawed.
51:30And so when I was baptized, she called it entrance into Christian community. And I understand that we live in a fallen world and, like, you know, that we can sin and we we have the ability because of free will to be real fucked up, and maybe that's a form of original sin or something.
51:47But I don't think we're born I don't think God made a mistake with our our our structure. I I I actually don't have that contradictory belief, and I've had people be like, that means you're not Christian. I'm like, fine.
51:59I don't have identities. Like, I I actually resonate a lot with the bible, but, like, if someone wants to call me that because I don't think a baby needs to have water sprinkled on his head from a guy I know for a fact molested my neighbor, like, okay. Like, fact.
52:14You know? And and, you know, it's like that that doesn't mean they're all like that. I actually respect Catholic architecture, music, and a lot of it, it's like, you know, I don't need him I think baptism should be choice because, like, it's kinda like circumcision.
52:27It's like, if you can't choose it, it's like, dude, kinda my call. Right? You're just coming at the wean?
52:35This is an interesting one for you. You talk about this idea that it's not any one group. You talk about the fact that it's like a behavior that is I don't know, doesn't have the best interest of other people in mind.
52:48Mhmm. Like, what do you think is the cause of that behavior?
52:53And like you said that if truth if things are only funny when there's truth there, then like how can stereotypes exist? Like do you think it's deep rooted cultural programming that leads to certain behaviors?
53:06You know, like Yeah. Christians all read the bible and maybe there's some subliminal things in there that leads to consistent behaviors of those groups. Like, what do you think about that?
53:13Each race has predispositions
53:15to different types of evil, but most stereotypes are just based on a combination of genetics and culture, I think. But usually when I'm doing a bit, it's not even, like, a a condemnation of of the race.
53:27Like, for example, like, if you have, like, black predisposition, it's more flow state where it's like, just take the bike.
53:33Right? And white would be like, cock and act like a vampire. Right?
53:36It's like it's like and I think it's weather related where it's like, if you have an eight month winter, the worst thing possible is to be kicked out of the tribe. So you're gonna go along with the most evil shit, and you're gonna hoard everything like a little vampire.
53:48Right? And that's, like, white and that is evil. Like, there that white evil of being, like, a coward and, like, a hoarder is crazy.
53:57And then I think more equatorial regions where you have food everywhere and there's never a winner, the the evil would be more like, just grab that shit, like, now.
54:07Right? And then you have, like like, I have some Mexican buddies. I'm like, you guys are really into blood and weird shit with, like, you know, like, hanging someone from a bridge.
54:16Like, to me, that's, like, pretty intense, but I get it. They like to shock the trauma. But I think each race isn't like, no race is more bad or good.
54:25It's just, like, it's just a different Achilles heel. Like like, what Tucker was talk talking about how he doesn't battle greed. Like, I don't battle envy at all.
54:33I love when people are awesome. I battle gluttony and occasionally wrath.
54:39I used to battle lust. I don't at all now. But some people, that's all they battle is, like, lust and envy.
54:45I don't ever feel envy, but I do. But when my wife bakes shit that's organic, I'm like, oh, it's organic. I'll eat fucking all of it.
54:52You know? And that's no good. You know?
54:54Like, Rodney's kind of a it's kind of like when a a white guy move where you're like, I'm gonna eat all this shit. Winter's coming. And so that's why it has to be behavioral because evil switches hats constantly.
55:05They rebrand. Right? As soon as you think, like, the bad guys are the Quakers, just switch the hat.
55:10It's the Protestant. Like, the Protestants and the Catholics fought in Ireland, and they were convinced the other side was the bad guy.
55:17Right? Right. The minute you start saying they're the bad guy, you're already participating.
55:23Like, what part of you is the thing you think you hate? Right? That's like, the the Muslims call it like, that's what jihad kinda means is the internal war, even though some of them go nuts.
55:34But it's like, what part of you is weak is the real fight? That's the evil. And then when the evil presents itself, like, do you want this?
55:42If you've dealt with your own thing, you don't engage in it. Like, you get rid of mice by covering the grain. You can't, like, go with the mice.
55:49You eliminate the environment that is conducive to that. So we really are responsible for it. Like, they aren't doing anything to us.
55:57Like, we don't need to watch pornography. You know? It's like, you have to, like, click and it's like because as soon as you say you made me do it, you give them god status.
56:06Like, you give them agency. You go, that's why it's great to call out people and break the liability shield, but they don't make us fight wars. Like, you know, in the spell is you're protecting your mother, you're protecting your father, revenge for the building, you know.
56:20So because you need good people make good warriors. Like, cowards don't make good warriors. But eventually, you go, I'm not gonna fight someone based on the color of their uniform.
56:29Right? And that's the that's what I keep trying to tell people. It's like, don't fight the war.
56:34Don't get dependent. Have a garden. Have your own children.
56:37Because then there's no vessel. There's no vector to get you. Right.
56:40I know it's intense, but that's like, if people really look at that, it's crazy freeing. I
56:47wanna ask, after you got canceled, you left Hollywood, and now you raise your own animals, grow your own food.
56:55Yep. And you said that everything clicked once you owned a farm.
56:59So Yeah. Let me ask you, what does having a farm teach you about how the world actually works? Dude.
57:04That's why Thomas Jefferson, farmer and lawyer. I want my kids to be, like, to have legal degrees and be farmers
57:10because that's the whole structure because it's all farming. It's like, okay.
57:14You want the grain? That's what you can't make a cow do anything. It's about the the grain.
57:20Right? And then you get them in debt, and then you milk the future. Like, you get the that's why debt money is debt.
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58:23Money is debt because anything in the future that you have to pay comes off your kids. The milk goes to their kids that we're taking. Right?
58:32And we take the sustenance in exchange for the the the grain. And then it's like it's fascinating how it works.
58:40You you rotate. You literally gatekeep. Right?
58:43So I keep the gate of this pasture until the grass is mowed down, and then I move the gates. Oh, now we can make fun of these people. Oh, now this.
58:51And you're just rotating the crop to keep enough conflict. I actually have empathy for the controller. That's the funniest thing.
58:58The management class, like, get now. I'm like, they're trying to keep it so things are just, like, in constant conflict and don't fall apart.
59:07And I think it's our job to be noble within that system and not mess with them. Just be good as us. You know?
59:14Because when people give up autonomy, they're they're crazy. Like, these spells just keep them in that zone where they just don't go nuts.
59:22You said that we should not mess with them. Is that what you said? No.
59:24No. No. It's not the not mess with them.
59:26I understand their pain. They're farmers of man. Right?
59:31So they they're literally farming the labor of man using gates, grain, all this stuff that I use with you know, it's broadcasting seeds.
59:41It's all the same terminology. And I that's why when people are like, you know, only governments would be in on it. I'm like, me and my neighbor are, like have a whole different life than our cows.
59:51Like,
59:52we're farmers. Like, every government's a farmer. They're all social engineers that keep society that keep that going.
59:59And it's up to
1:00:00Us just to be better people. You get the government you deserve. You wanna give up your autonomy, they'll keep making more and more bullshit spells and laws.
1:00:06If you wanna be noble and moral, you don't need a government. You don't need a farmer. Like, if the cow just kept coming back in, which mine do because I'm moral, like, I can call my cow, and it runs like a dog.
1:00:16Right? Because I'm good to her. If I'm a McDonald's guy, I need, like, hell to keep them in place.
1:00:22You know? And and that's why I would like a government with more free rein, but it it requires us to be more noble people. Because if you give up your autonomy, oh, I want, you know, DoorDash and Uber and porno's and debt money and all this, it's like, okay.
1:00:38Well, we're gonna control. You don't get a gun. Like, you can't tie your shoes.
1:00:41You know?
1:00:42So do you see a lot of the problems going on as a result of people's individual actions? Or 100%.
1:00:48Yeah. They don't have any power. They're they're wizards.
1:00:52Do wizards are like they're wizards. They're not like us.
1:00:56They don't make shit. They just are like, here's the narrative. And then they just they they pull the resources.
1:01:03It doesn't make them happy, dude. It's like nothing a manual labor. Dude, I I love when we're clicking on that.
1:01:09Like, Emmanuel means, like, to be next to God. And when I do manual labor, like, I do completely unnecessary, insane toil maxing.
1:01:17I feel great. I sleep great. I feel like I hurt, but I have, like, purpose.
1:01:23If you're just sitting in a castle counting beans and being afraid, I don't care how much money you have. Your life, like, sucks. Like, I love Toilmaxing.
1:01:33That's why the Jews I get along with are the ones that like carpentry and shit. Like, Jesus. Right?
1:01:37Because they they're doing something. So if you take any group and make them, like, derivative guys, they're gonna go nuts. Like, I have a lot of friends that are nuclear physicists.
1:01:47They get in a world where, like, you gotta get your dude, I I know shit. It's like they get so theoretical. I'm like, dude, you gotta, like can we, like, make a bomb?
1:01:58You know? They don't have not that I've ever asked that, but they're not, like, doing anything.
1:02:04You know what I mean? It's, like, very detached from reality. It's like, oh, so all NASA's in there.
1:02:08I'm like, they look at his screen and count beeps. It's like that that show on HBO. It was that and it was called, like, Illumination.
1:02:15And then when he left, he lost that memory and became a different person. And he realized that he didn't know the other person existed, And then he realizes that there's two totally different worlds.
1:02:25And when he's at that job, he's just connecting, like, squares and hitting triangles like DARPA does to monkeys. Like, they're not doing shit. I think they take the highest IQ guys, and they're like, you wanna see the gases of Uranus?
1:02:38Like, it's crazy. It's called Uranus. Dude, USA Today said Uranus smells like farts because it was filled with freaking, uh, sulfur.
1:02:46I'm like, that's a comedian. Uranus smells like farts.
1:02:51USA Today. I'm like, you guys are dicks. True.
1:02:54It's like, what the fuck? Dude, I used to do a physics podcast at Caltech. That's the funniest thing about people being like, oh, how dare you?
1:03:02You're so fucking stupid. I'm like, dude, I interviewed all the guys at the Nobel Prizes. That's why I got disillusioned.
1:03:08Like, it's like a game. Dude, Alfred Nobel killed everyone. You know the story of Alfred Nobel?
1:03:14Mm-mm. So he invents, like, TNT. He's, like, known as this, like, warmonger.
1:03:18They think he dies, but he doesn't die. They write an obituary. They're like, man of murder dead.
1:03:23And so he's like, oh, shit. So he creates a Nobel Prize so that, like, people associate him with good shit, and it's always been super corrupt and stupid. Like, Alfred Nobel sucked.
1:03:34I'm not gonna say he sucked. TNT, I get it. It's just a product.
1:03:37I'm not saying but it's not he's not the peace guy. He had vanities.
1:03:43Like, I don't wanna be remembered like that. So I guess
1:03:46on the portion of you you said that it's kind of comes from us, like we're would be the change to stop it. Like, we allow these things to happen to us. Like, don't you think that, like, it's possible that someone could influence, like, 1% of your behavior?
1:04:01Dude, I'm being influenced right now. Yeah. Like, I didn't win.
1:04:05So so do you think it's possible that someone could influence
1:04:075% of your behavior or 20% your behavior? Like, that 1% I'm giving up, which I do. I know I do.
1:04:13Like, I I still hate changing the oil in my car. Like, I don't like doing a lot of shit. I know that part of me is like, I'll just go along with it.
1:04:22And I'm like a stubborn, intense, you know, outlaw of this shit, and I still feel it in myself.
1:04:29Like, I like, some people are like, man, you got out. I'm like, I'm never no one's ever out. You're always trying to spot in you that's being influenced, and it's always our choice.
1:04:38It's like, yeah. Take it. Like, something with marriage, you guys will will like this for the future.
1:04:43My wife always asked me, like, what I want for dinner, and I'm pretty flow state, and I don't really care. And I used to be like, whatever. She wants me to make a choice.
1:04:51She wants me, and so I do even though I I just think of anything. I was so this time, I said salmon.
1:04:58Because she's like, no. You take agency. And I was like, I don't I don't want I don't care.
1:05:03And I'm like, no. No. I care about her.
1:05:05She wants me to make the call, so I will. That's a microcosm of everything. Fractals are every it's all a fractal.
1:05:12It's like, you wanna understand the nature of the system, the deep state? Look at the abusive person in your life. Fear, you're nothing, dependency, mind game.
1:05:21It's all, like, narcissistic abuse. Why? Power.
1:05:27Right? Insecurity, failure, you're that lead to someone being powerful?
1:05:31Fake power. Yeah. Good call.
1:05:33I like your autism. Like, the force type, not the real power. You're right.
1:05:38Like, the real power, in my opinion, theologically, all comes from the the creator. That's why I have the myotheistic theology because it's a gift to us.
1:05:49But, like, in the sense of social input but that's the irony. They don't really have power because they have to go with their bullshit.
1:05:56Like, they can't make a hard turn. You saw that with Trump. Like, one day, he's like, Israel's being fucking annoying, and everyone turned on him immediately because they don't love him.
1:06:06They want their agenda. It's like, if you go with our thing, we will praise you. You know?
1:06:10And so that's why we don't we have a ton of power in the sense that we have free will, but it's all a gift. Like, we don't really But the more honest we are, the more it's given to us, in my opinion.
1:06:23Have you ever considered that maybe we don't have free will because of the fact that our behaviors are influenced? Yeah. It's a paradox.
1:06:28But, typically, a paradox is just because I don't see a wide enough scope.
1:06:31Because, like, I I still like, so, theologically, if someone's like, the creator knows all perfect, then how do we have free will? Because it's all laid out like a like a program. But we also have free will, and I don't know how that fits together.
1:06:46I know it sounds like a paradox, but it I don't know. I just My answer to this is it feels right.
1:06:52It feels like free will. Right. Right.
1:06:54Right. You know? Yeah.
1:06:55It's like you can tell, like because Oh, maybe I didn't have free will about this thing I didn't know about. Determinist guys never act like they believe it. Like, you never see Sam Harris be like, but the Islamists can't help it.
1:07:05None of us have free will. He's, like, mad at him. Right?
1:07:08Like because that happens with the guy that says everything is one. Some of my friends are like, we're all one. I'm like, so where's our car?
1:07:15Oh, it's your car. Right? You know, it's like, we're not really one.
1:07:19Like, or else I have your car too. It's like our car. You know?
1:07:22Maybe we're all one, but, like it's like during COVID, I'm like, you're not acting scared. You had the mask off until you fucking stood up, and then you put it on. I'm like, if you thought you could die from a virus, you wouldn't be at TGI Fridays.
1:07:35Right? You'd be at home scared.
1:07:38And those are the people I think got got through fine, even the vaxxed ones. I think if they believed it, they didn't take on too much debt from that. I think I think unless you're aware and you're consciously doing it, I don't think it affects you really very much.
1:07:52Like, you're consciously going with the social norm? Yeah. If you're like, dude, this is super scary, and this vaxx is gonna really help my grandma, I don't think it affected the the people I think it affected the most were the ones that, like, knew.
1:08:04I think there's an innocence that happens if you don't know. I I agree. I can't I can't come explain that or put it on a spreadsheet, but, like, I keep seeing that.
1:08:14I've seen that in my own life. Because, you know, I was repped by basically the inner circle of hell, very successful in Hollywood.
1:08:22That's, like, what you make a wand out of. But, like, I know I didn't get in that group. Like, I never like, how did that I was gonna write a movie called Gary Rothschild who just, like, accidentally, like, keeps joining groups and shit.
1:08:36Because I never was a I never wanted that, and that's why I think I couldn't keep going there. And I don't think there was too much karmic debt.
1:08:45You know? What groups have you accidentally joined? Well, not that no.
1:08:48It's nothing. I just kept thinking, like, if it's all just, like, stupid symbols, like, what have you accidentally did?
1:08:55Like, you're like, man, my my eye is itchy and and someone like, my name's Owen Benjamin Smith because there's an Owen Smith comedian. And and people were like, you can't be Owen Smith. We think you're that guy.
1:09:06And that was when I was first starting. And I wanted to keep my name, but they're like, just pick a different name. I'm like, it's my name.
1:09:11So I went with my middle name. And then people are like, oh, Benjamin. And I'm like, oh, I accidentally now have a name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
1:09:21I didn't fucking choose that, but it's like you know what I mean? And I am an eighth j. I don't even know what that means, but I think it's almost like wave and particle shit with light.
1:09:31I think the race religion thing is just a shell game. A shell game? Yeah.
1:09:36Where it's like, it's a it's a part lights a particle when we need it to be or a wave when we need it to be. Like, is being Jewish a race? How can a religion be a race?
1:09:45But yet a lot of them look the same. Right? And I think part of it is the, like, the legal I know I'm just kinda rambling, but the legal loopholes of, like, you can't, like, do something legally to a race versus a religion, but you can't religiously be a race.
1:09:58Like, how could I be part Mormon or, like, part Quaker or, like, part Presbyterian? Oh, I'm a quarter Presbyterian. I'm half Muslim, an eighth Jewish, and an eighth Quaker.
1:10:08Like, that sounds retarded. It's
1:10:10kinda like what is a religion.
1:10:12Right. What what do you think, man?
1:10:16Like, listen. My notes. That kinda sounds like like I'm high when I said that.
1:10:20No. But, dude, the fundamentals right now are the gravy is because we keep operating like everyone knows what these words mean.
1:10:26I have here I said and I'm religious, by the way. I said religion is the belief in a thing that will make you happy.
1:10:32But I think it's true, though, man. I like I've lived some shit where and I'm a skeptic.
1:10:38I don't believe in pandas. You know? And I'm like, dude, this is like, there's shit in the Bible that is it was just more accurate than I was getting in other places where I'm like, it just resonates with me.
1:10:48That's fair. Like, you can't, like, prove it, but I don't think I think it's a category error where I don't think you're supposed to prove a religion. Like, faith isn't a proof.
1:10:55Yes. That's what I think that's the big thing. It's like, well, I'm like, you can't prove metaphysical truth.
1:11:02It's like proving the number five. Like, show me five.
1:11:05Right? Right. Yeah.
1:11:07It's it's an interesting one. I I I think the entire What's your religion? Like, how do you view your own religion?
1:11:13I tell people spiritual Christian because it's like, I am Christian, but I know about all the stuff you're talking about, and I know that it's real. It's the same thing. So it's like, do you say you're a Christian?
1:11:23Because that is really encapsulate if you have this other gnosis perhaps. And I'm naturally so
1:11:29devil's advocate, fool archetype that I'm like, you don't want me around. Like, I always ask weird questions.
1:11:35You know? I'm like but I do feel that, though. Like, I identify with I once joked.
1:11:42I was like, no. I think it's too real to be a Christian. Because so many of these guys, they act so true.
1:11:47They they say they're Christian, but they every action they do is not like, even the doom shit now where they're like, oh, they're gonna enslave us all. I'm like, it's called the good news.
1:11:57Right? The gospel is the good like, so is it the bad news? Like, how do you like, don't you win if you, like, accept the truth?
1:12:04Like, but they're they're acting like that. Don't get me wrong. I think horror abounds if you don't, but, like, you just gotta have actual faith, and things just keep working out.
1:12:14I think the behaviors of a person often reflect what religion they actually are. Yes. That's why some Muslims are like, my brother, you are Islamic.
1:12:22You know about debt. And because I like goat herding. Yeah.
1:12:28And it's so funny how that is because there's a type of Christian that gets along with Muslim because you're like, because you're actually looking at the bible. You're like, oh, yeah. You're supposed to not, like, expose your chick, like, in public with pornos.
1:12:40You know? And they're like they're like, oh, no. That's Islamic.
1:12:42I'm like, what if there's just truth and then there's corruption? Like, if you look at early America, it looks like they're wearing hijabs.
1:12:49They're like, women are covered. Really? Oh, yeah.
1:12:51You look at, like, 1910 coming off Ellis Island, all the Catholics, the women wear, like, scarves, not like the Pac Man goes crazy shit, but just but just, like you know what I mean? But just basic you know, if you taught in a school, you had to cover down to your ankles and you couldn't do this and blah blah blah.
1:13:07There was, like, modesty laws. Yeah. And it's because it's not because they, like, are, like, prudes or whatever.
1:13:13It's because they know the weakness of it. They know that that's a way to weaken people, you know, to, like, get them jacked up on too much stimulation, and then population goes down. Everyone's got a Subaru.
1:13:26Who do you think is the single most powerful wizard alive today? I don't think you know his name.
1:13:32Did I I was I wanted to write a a movie about it. It's called Sinap. Because sometimes I feel like I know almost too much about it where I'm like, am I kind of like, why do I know this?
1:13:41Like, that's kinda weird. And I and I and I because, like, the the the craft of comedy can be awesome at relieving stress, but it can also be super dark.
1:13:51Right? And so I'm like, why is my craft so dark? Like, I know how to do these cynical things.
1:13:56And I wanna write this movie where I I get, like, kicked out of Hollywood, all that stuff. And I'm in a farm, and I'm desolate. I start getting these things in the mail that just says, like, synap, s I n e p, and it just says, keep pulling the thread and all this stuff, like this benefactor.
1:14:12And it turns out it's basically the devil, and he was like I don't know if you call it the devil, but he's like he was from early twentieth century. He's, like, centuries old, and he was trying to stand up and was chain taking his jokes.
1:14:24You know, it's like this whole story. And so cynically, to show how everyone sucked, he started doing all these spells. And Synap is the biggest corporation in the world and just penis backwards because everything's like a peanut.
1:14:34Like, the rockets Blue Origin's literally a dick. The CEO is Dave Limp.
1:14:39Literally, Dave Limp is the CEO. Fact. I will not apologize for making that connection.
1:14:46And so he's like I'm like, how are you a 180 years old? He's like, I don't eat the funny food. I'm like, what's the funny food?
1:14:51He's like, all the food I feed you. It's like poison. Isn't that hilarious?
1:14:55And so my conflict I'm like, it's so funny, but it's so eve and then my conflict is, like, to reject evil because the joke is on man versus the joke is on evil.
1:15:07I try to keep all my jokes, like, mocking weakness, evil, all that. There's a evil comedy that mocks man.
1:15:13Like, look how stupid because the devil's always like, you think they're better than me, God? You I was your special boy.
1:15:20Right? It's like because God gave us dominion, and he would you know, that envy, the envious one is what the Muslims call Shaitan. Right?
1:15:29And so he's always, like, mocking man. Like, look what I got him to believe. Like, they were getting people to swab their asses for COVID in China.
1:15:38That's that dude, that's it's called humiliation count. It's punked. It's like, look at what we just did to Justin Bieber.
1:15:43Like, I used to punk celebrities. Like, look. We made him cry.
1:15:47Right? But, see, I was doing it to break their ego. Like, the celebrity look, we can break you.
1:15:52You know? But I think they're like, when the devil does it to, like, kids and shit, and that's when it's, like, real fucked up, and there's a comedy to it that's dark. And so I wanna write this movie about my rejection of the father of lies, which is, like, this the richest and because think about it.
1:16:09I'll offer you the world. You can be the greatest comedian ever. Fuck these people.
1:16:12Because right when I was getting canceled, some people I could tell were like, you hate them, don't you? You wanna, like, fuck it. You know?
1:16:18Like like, they wanna stoke my revenge, Embers. And I was like I spotted that, and I'm like that's when I'm like, oh, no hard feelings, man. Like, it's all good.
1:16:27Because forgiveness is powerful. I used to briefly, I was like, oh, that's weak, and it's not. It's like the most powerful thing you can do is having no hard feelings.
1:16:36Oh, it's so power. Because, like, forgiving is when they let you go. It's weird.
1:16:41The devil wants you to be like, look at what Joe Rogan said about you in his tiny little car. Don't you wanna mock him? And, like, make him know?
1:16:49And it's like, no. You can have his little pants and his little car. It's all good.
1:16:53Like, because they because I live in paradise. If you came to my pay place, it's like a painting. I have, like, four beautiful children running around, like, literally, like, alpacas frolicking.
1:17:02Imagine if I was resentful. That's, like, such a it's, like, such bullshit. It's, like, it's, like, so bad to god.
1:17:09It's like, now I need more. You know? I have, like, more than I ever could have imagined.
1:17:14It's like but I need someone to apologize for me for being mean online. I need to be back on D Live. I think it's out of business now.
1:17:21You know?
1:17:24Who do you think invented cancel culture?
1:17:27Well, you know, the shame tact. I think there's a every inversion has a good element. I like good cancel culture.
1:17:33Like, I have my own app because I had to make one. But and I'm it's it's, like, super, you know, tight on rules, but it's, like, good.
1:17:43It's always the good, the true, the beautiful. Like, nothing a five year old can't see. Like, I canceled it, everybody, but it's it's like I I explain it.
1:17:50Nothing sexual. No politics. No no conspiracy debating.
1:17:54I'm like, post beautiful things, help, try to find jobs, get wives, like, start families, because that's what I think social media should be. And so the inversion is cancel dude, a high level grabber once told me, they go, our policy is no living heroes.
1:18:10Because living heroes used to almost cancel their wars. Their Lindbergh was against World War two, and he almost stopped World War two.
1:18:18That's why every hero now has to either be constantly shamed and humiliated or fake. They that's a policy.
1:18:26And I get it. I understand it. Imagine if you have a living hero that isn't that's like like Charlie's Charlie Kirk was, like, starting to be a little more of a real hero, and they're like,
1:18:36Why him?
1:18:37I don't know. I think it was so far in was the problem. It's like, you don't you shouldn't take their money on that scale.
1:18:45You know? Because then they feel they feel like they own you. It's like like a girl at a bar taking drinks from a creep.
1:18:52Like, over time, he's like, but I gave you the drinks. That's why I don't take shit from Eddie. I'm like it sounds like I'm paranoid, but I'm not.
1:19:00I'm like, I don't want anything. I'm I have my own well. I grow food.
1:19:04I'm like, I don't wanna owe the devil anything. Right. But it's all good news.
1:19:08Like, I'm not saying this, like, people should be bummed. It's it's actually, like, really cool to see that we have, like, so much agency, and it's, like, it's, like, fair kinda. You know?
1:19:18If we had a mutual goal, I guess because I I want more people to think in a different way, personally. Like, what what what do you mean by different?
1:19:26I'll get it. Like, in a way that they're more open to stuff. It's like, I I can't even, like, get my parents to, like, get on board with one conspiracy or one things aren't the way you think they are because there's not, like, a good one to get your foot in the door.
1:19:39Well, I think this isn't about
1:19:41dialectic or truth or proofs. It's about rhetoric. So what I like to do is people, lot of times, will reject that because they're afraid of what's on the other side, or they feel shame.
1:19:51Like, that means I'm a dupe. I've been tricked. I've lived a lie, all this stuff.
1:19:56Right. That's why I like to make it fun, funny, and, like, not a bit that's why pandas are perfect. I agree.
1:20:02Yeah. Because it's, like, fun. Right?
1:20:04Because if you say the moonlight didn't happen, so my grandfather's a liar, so those memories I had, so all the books I read, like and it's like, no. Your grandfather's not a liar. And learning all that shit is really interesting.
1:20:14And maybe it happened. I just don't think so. Neither does Vivian Kubrick.
1:20:17You know? I had Vivian Kubrick on, and I was like, you think your dad shot it?
1:20:21And she goes, no. It would have looked real. Because production guys like me, like, I don't know shit about rockets.
1:20:28I know about production. And I'm like, you're not doing a live feed in negative 273 degrees in a vacuum 240,000 miles away with a tilt up rack focus with something going 3,000 feet per I'm like, that logistically is impossible in production.
1:20:43So if they said, yeah. All the footage is fake, but we were there, I literally probably would have been like, oh, cool. But they're like, oh, no.
1:20:52That's they're playing off. Every single part of it is real. Right.
1:20:54Like, dude, the production I'm like, so if that production is real, like, I don't trust you now. Because you don't you know what what it's like, like, tilt up rack focus. So, like, a rocket's going up.
1:21:06You're tilting up and and focusing in. You're doing it from remote control, 240,000 miles away the first time you try it in a vacuum from Houston through a radiation belt.
1:21:16No. Like, the amount of energy you like, a battery gets shitty when it's 30 degrees, negative 273 degrees.
1:21:25No. Like, so give me the battery. Like, can I buy the battery?
1:21:28Because my batteries get real shitty at zero degrees.
1:21:32Are there any other animals you think are fake?
1:21:34It's not that I necessarily think they're fake. Dude, you wanna hear the newest one? It's great.
1:21:38Like, alright. Well, there's a few.
1:21:42One, I just want answers about eels. No one knows how they reproduce, and you'll see videos where they act like they know they actually don't know.
1:21:51And they when you understand how crazy that is, they don't know how eels reproduce.
1:21:57Can we not just capture one?
1:21:58They don't reproduce with them. They don't know where eels come from. So if you had eels on your farm, they wouldn't reproduce?
1:22:05Nope.
1:22:08Dude, that's weird. I I have no claims. It's just they don't know where eels come from.
1:22:14Okay? Penguins, I think, are very mysterious, and I'll tell you why.
1:22:21Fashion is so emblematic of power. So why is a tuxedo a tuxedo? You know?
1:22:27You you don't really think about it. You're like, oh, that's a sweet tuxedo. It's like, why the fuck did everyone start dressing like a penguin?
1:22:33Right? Like, with a tail? Because they didn't used to.
1:22:37Before, they'd be, like, colorful. You look at the Medici bankers and stuff. Why did the Rothschilds get an island in Antarctica in 1815?
1:22:48That's a new Why is it called an emperor penguin? Why is the reason we can't go there to protect the penguins? Why did John Kerry go to Antarctica on election day in 2016 to check the penguins?
1:22:59What the fuck? Why do penguins hoard shiny little pebbles?
1:23:04And, again They constitute each other for the pebbles too. And they're all bisexual. That's true.
1:23:10And they all can't do physical labor.
1:23:13And they waddle around, like, literally the penguin and Batman. And it's like, listen. I don't know the answer to this one, but there's something very I have some theories that are fucking out there.
1:23:24But I think and I'm not saying penguins are midgets in suits or anything, but, like, I think there's a relationship between animals and human cultures understand. Like, I think butterflies are, like, trans.
1:23:38So a caterpillar working hard gets in a cocoon, does unspeakable acts, becomes goo, and becomes like a flippity butterfly that gets pinned to a you know? I don't really think that but, like Why don't you see seem so nervous to say the Penguin one? Because the implications are insane.
1:23:56I think that it's a it's a tell of where, like, where some some shit is. You know?
1:24:02There's some history behind banking that's so waggy, dude. Because the alright. If you're at like, this is the love your enemy thing.
1:24:08It's like when you actually view it through other people's eyes, like, it would be hard being a central banker. Like, imagine you lend money to one of these kings for a war. They don't pay you back, so they just kill you.
1:24:17Like, that actually did happen to them. So then you hide the gold, but eventually, there could be a revolution.
1:24:23They just take back the gold. So you have to really think, like, where do you put the gold? Where do you put the gold?
1:24:29Like, where's the point? Knox. Antarctica.
1:24:32Okay. Where is the one place that the entire world for the last sixty years has agreed that no one can go to for no fucking reason? But it's because aliens are there.
1:24:42It's because they're secret military bases. Maybe they already took it out, but they there was a revolution in France in, like, 1848, and somebody was like, okay, Rothschilds.
1:24:51We have to table it up. Where's the gold? And they they they did give coordinates that it was like Antarctica.
1:24:57Dude, it's called Rothschild Island next to Deception Island. And you can't see it on fucking Google Map. Like, it it's pixelated on Google Maps.
1:25:04And this is the one thing I like about Bitcoin. I don't like the culture around Bitcoin, but the one thing is the the contract lineage, like, the tracking of the contract is always very valuable of who owes what.
1:25:19Right? And so they would always burn that shit. So imagine you wanna, like, hide that.
1:25:26Like, you can't even hide in Switzerland. Switzerland can still be taken over. There's still political problems.
1:25:30You know? It it's so hard to have a fiat currency backed by gold because you're like, where do you put the gold?
1:25:37Like like, if people get pissed off enough and they start guillotining, they're gonna get your gold again. And that's where I do have compassion for bankers because they did get kinda fucked with by some pretty unscrupulous kings. And so they're like, okay.
1:25:49The penguins and I don't know why they started dressing and acting like them, but, like, it's weird, man. It's called the emperor penguin, and you're not allowed to go there.
1:25:59Like and then they say, oh, you can go there. Yeah. It's a three square mile thing.
1:26:04No. You can't just go to Antarctica. There's literally an Antarctic treaty that during wars, everyone's like, yeah.
1:26:11But one of the biggest battles in the whole thing was in fucking Antarctica. No one talks about it.
1:26:17And you wanna know the cover story? Wanted whales for oil. So 5,000 miles away from Germany, whole battalions in Antarctica.
1:26:27There is a battle. 1939,
1:26:30two front war. What did they fight?
1:26:33I don't know. It's like, it definitely happened. They were there.
1:26:36There was shit all over the place. They had a base, and the lie is preposterous.
1:26:41I feel like it's like Patrick Bateman lies. Like, the lies are so stupid, like the videotapes. It's like, is a vegetarian, and whales suck at giving you oil.
1:26:50Like, would they go 5,000 miles to get oil from fucking whales?
1:26:56No. Alright. Last thing about Antarctica.
1:27:01So everybody in war wants the high ground. Right? Everything's about the high ground.
1:27:05You ever look into the average elevation of each continent? No. Australia's the lowest.
1:27:10Average elevation, like, 700. You know? Then you got, like, Europe, you know, maybe 1,200.
1:27:15You got, like, 2,000, Asia, 23 hundreds. Antarctica's 9,000 feet average. Look.
1:27:21Fact. This is a fact. It has an average elevation of 9,000 feet.
1:27:26People go, what is that, man? It's like, I don't know. Like, all of battle is about getting the high ground.
1:27:30Like, why is the Antarctic Treaty in place? Why were the is there? Why do all the elites dress like fucking penguins?
1:27:39Like, once you see that, it's like like, because we all just think it makes total sense. Oh, yeah.
1:27:43We wear we have, like, white bellies and a little black oh, sorry. And a little black tail. And we waddle around, we get little diamonds.
1:27:49And, you know, we fight wars for the diamond. It's like, but why not wear, like, colorful shit? Like, why not wear a different suit?
1:27:55Like, why do you dress like penguins right around fucking 1812? Because there weren't tuxedos before that. Man, I'm I'm usually pretty good at these things.
1:28:04Like, but I Dude, I don't know. I can't make the jump. I can't make the jump on this one.
1:28:08Jump either, and people then get pissed at me. They're like, but then what is it? I'm like, it's just fun to ponder.
1:28:14What are the things that they're facing? Central bankers are like, they have to have the gold somewhere to print the dollars, and people can be dicks to bankers.
1:28:21They just take it back. They're like, fuck you. I have an army.
1:28:24You know? So if you hide it, like leprechauns, no offense, it's like, it has to be someplace really far away, and it has to be a place where no one will ever go.
1:28:37Do you think space is fake? See, face it fake is good rhetoric, but it it gets people spiraling because it's like it's like space, of course, like Right.
1:28:47Outer space. Like, outer space as described, I think, of of no. What is it?
1:28:53I don't know. And it I know air gets thinner up there. I just I just the way it's described okay.
1:29:00For example just look at everything that's, like, forced down your throat, and you're like, I know this isn't right, but I don't know what it is. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't accept that as especially with internal critique, internal contradiction.
1:29:09Right. And with, like, I know you don't know. Like, for example, the internal structure of the earth.
1:29:15Right? The deepest anyone's ever dug is seven miles, which is very deep. But this is where the joke comes in why I wanna write that that movie.
1:29:24Why don't they say the the core of the earth is a spinning nickel? They say it's nickel and it's twisting. Mhmm.
1:29:30Dude, that's a joke. It's a spinning nickel. It's like a that's a it's a banker joke.
1:29:35It's a a nickel spinning. Because I'm like, how do you know that? They're like, oh, we did tests.
1:29:40I'm like, you never dug you never like, I kinda as much as that was ridiculous and that guy was saying that about Gaza, that you've never been is kind of valid sometimes.
1:29:49It's like you've never been. Remember that British guy with Dave Smith? Mm-mm.
1:29:54When Dave Smith was like, dude, Gaza is all fucked up. He's like, but have you been there? It was on Joe Rogan.
1:30:00And I know he was being manipulative, but I'm like but still, though, like, have you been in the crust of the earth? Right. You're just assuming.
1:30:08And the assumptions they made going down were all false.
1:30:12What do you think is the biggest lie we're being told recently?
1:30:17I actually am not as afraid of AI and shit like that. I think oh, like, they would affect my friends and family or, like, the the big lie to, like, everybody. Because, like, the people I care about, the biggest lie or and respect
1:30:31would be that I I think I should ask you this. Have you heard of the phrase, like, haggillian dialectic Yeah. Before?
1:30:35Like, what I see with AI is AI is gonna kill us all.
1:30:40AI is gonna take your jobs. No AI is gonna be great and amazing. So I'm just wondering, like, what the real truth is, you think?
1:30:48I just know I can't imagine it's it's gonna kill us all. No.
1:30:51Theologically, it can't. It's like, theologically, how can that?
1:30:57And you look at the people doing it and you see the behavior. Don't get me wrong. AI is a powerful tool.
1:31:02It does exist. It's not like some of these other things that are complete scams. It's pretty impressive.
1:31:07It does replace a lot of high level corporate money velocity jobs. You know?
1:31:12Like, true. It's, like, easy for them to just do that, but it doesn't do it's like a tool.
1:31:18Like, a tool doesn't have agency. And so when people talk about it's an empty vessel for demons, that is kinda true, but it's like but for the sloth of man, where it's like, I give up agency to AI, and that would allow more weakness to man is what I see as the fear.
1:31:34But, dude, there's so many things that can go wrong with this infrastructure. It's like, they they always forget they need people to build all this shit and maintain it. You know what, dude?
1:31:42I saw a sign that said don't plant oh, you're gonna laugh. This is why it's all so funny. It said don't plant bamboo near near the data centers because bamboo grows out of control and so hard to get rid of unless you have fucking panda bears.
1:31:56And so, like, imagine if bamboo takes out data centers, and then the Chinese are like, dude, that's why we invented pandas. Because that's why I think they're there.
1:32:05I think they're the clear fields of bamboo like like goats do for us. The pandas? Yeah.
1:32:09Because all they do is eat bamboo, and it's not even good for them. It's filled with arsenic. Makes them sleepy and stupid.
1:32:15They roll down hills like morons. Why do you think the data centers are there? No.
1:32:21Data centers, like, will have a sign that says don't plant bamboo near data centers because it could, like, destroy the infrastructure. But I I I guess I just I see all this rhetoric about data centers constantly and, like, this fear of Dude, I know.
1:32:34Because it sounds terrible and everything, and I don't want one near me. But it almost it's just like, know the behavior. They're always doing a scam.
1:32:41And one thing I think that happened is existential threat rhetorically moves people to an oddly invest.
1:32:48It's like, blood diamond made people wanna buy diamonds. They're like, people die for this. Do you love your wife?
1:32:53Like, Like, that was a commercial for fucking diamonds. As soon as you can make diamonds in a lab, no one wants them. They wanna know that someone die.
1:32:59That gives value in a really fucked up way. You said fear leads to people wanting to invest. Yeah.
1:33:05Imagine if they go, this is the god that will change all of economy. They're like, well, then I need to be a part of like, that's now a thing I'm gonna think about all the time.
1:33:15I've never seen a robot do anything ever. Dude, and I'm, like, 46.
1:33:21I've been hearing this shit for fucking ever. I had the Jetsons as a kid. These grabbers always wanna replace man with machine.
1:33:28It's always the thing. I saw that in the Bitcoin culture too where it's like, oh, Bitcoin will cure all our problems. I'm like, no.
1:33:34It's a it's a tool. It can't do any it's like just a tool.
1:33:38Same with AI. And AI so interesting what you're saying. I'm I'm thinking about, like, if I wanted to get you to invest in my Ozempic company, I and you're just a smart investor.
1:33:47I wouldn't tell you that, like, it actually works. Like, the clinical trial, people are losing weight. I would tell you it is the most addictive substance on Earth.
1:33:54Exactly. And then Exactly. Okay.
1:33:56That's a buy. Exact dude, opium is what fueled all it's like, no. This shit will make people kill their family for it.
1:34:01Dude, I think again, total speculation. It's Julian Dory's guys, they go, pure spec. You ever see that guy?
1:34:07Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:34:08He goes, pure spec.
1:34:10It's like, I cannot prove this at all. The news stories about people killing each other for Nikes, I think, was a Nike commercial. And if people don't think they can do twisted shit like that, Just Do It was that came from a serial killer at his execution.
1:34:26You know that. Right? Yeah.
1:34:27A guy was about to be electrocuted. He goes, just do it. Nike's like, perfect.
1:34:32And all these slogans, you know, obey your thirst. Once you pop, you can't stop. The best a man can get, Maybe it's Maybelline.
1:34:40You know, all these things, it sounds like a demon saying it. Obey your thirst. Once you pop, you can't stop.
1:34:45It's addictive.
1:34:48You're someone who hangs around with scientists.
1:34:50Yeah. I love scientists too. That's the funniest thing.
1:34:53I love the scientific method because a lot of them don't like what's happened too. So I I I don't wanna be too hard on the scientist.
1:34:59You know, you watched the whole Tucker episode. Right? I'm, like, twenty minutes from the end.
1:35:04Twenty minutes from the end. There's a part in it where he says, I talked to this guy with, like, top level security clearance, and he told me that there was one truth Oh, yeah. Yeah.
1:35:13In Yeah. The entire world. Yeah.
1:35:14And I was thinking about what that could be Me too. As one it is? Do you think nukes are real?
1:35:21No.
1:35:23I think nuclear power is. I think there's devastating there's devastating weapons.
1:35:29Because some people are like, oh, you're such an optimist, bimbo. You don't think things I'm like, dude, mustard gas, directed energy. Like, there's huge bombs, but the evidence isn't there.
1:35:39It's like, my dad was giving a speech in Hiroshima when I was a kid, and I was terrified he was gonna die because I was hiding under a cardboard fucking desk because of nuclear bombs. And people just were like, oh, no. It'll be fine.
1:35:50I'm like, no. But Hiroshima has been nuked. It's like, a billion years is poison.
1:35:55And they're like, no. Your dad will be fine.
1:35:57I'm like, noted. And then I started seeing more and more, and I know these guys.
1:36:03And one of my buddies just goes, it's best to act like they're real. Like, he's so autistic that he's like, game theory lowers war because everyone thinks that there's mutual destruction.
1:36:12It's game theory. I'm like, Jesus, dude. Yeah.
1:36:15And if you think So if everyone believed they were fake, it would hurt the game theory also. Iran. How do you invade Iran?
1:36:21Like, it's you have to have existential everyone dies from a button, which is classic narcissistic personality disorder. Like, I will kill everyone if you don't do what I say.
1:36:32You know? I think some of these people would've hit the button. They're not they're, like, bloodthirsty.
1:36:36You don't make weapons you don't use. And people go, well, my my uncle, for thirty years, I'm like, he guarded a button. Watch the show Lost.
1:36:47You know? Like, when I was a kid, I was in those programs, you know, that now Candace Owens is revealing his CIA. I and it's like, I used to be in like, work with this DARPA scientist to see if I could, like, feel consciousness in a box because of my IQ score and shit.
1:37:00And it's like, I know those DARPA guys. I know how this shit works. It's like, if you guard a button that's a red button, and they're like, if you press it, everyone dies.
1:37:09Like, emotionally, you now are invested, but did you ever see a fucking nuke? No. Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan surrendered because 1,500,000 Russians invaded Manchuria forty eight hours later.
1:37:22Nagasaki and Roshom, a bunch of people died, but way more people died in eight other Japanese cities because of fire bombing because everything's wooden. You know, people on the ground said it it was fire bombing. There was only one journalist allowed to report on it.
1:37:34It was a Lithuanian Jew working for the state department. That's where all of it came from. And it's like, why would they lie?
1:37:42Why wouldn't you lie? Like, in I I can even understand why. You're in a war.
1:37:46You wanna end the war. This big like, as a parent, you know, if you say there's a monster in the pond, like like, oh, it's better for my kids. They won't drown.
1:37:54But then it has bullback. Every lie has bullback. Because that lie does work for a while.
1:37:59If everyone has a nuke, no one will fight because we'd all die. It's you know, it's like prisoner's dilemma type shit. But then it becomes like a protection racket.
1:38:08If you have a nuke, you're in a club. If you don't, we can invade. It's all financial system shit.
1:38:13And some people understand if this sounds like nonsense, but, like Do you think Trump thinks we have nukes? I do. That's what's interesting about a lie.
1:38:21Found out they didn't after, like, a I bet he was like, fucking press it. And I don't even think the general the generals might not even know. This is the craziest thing, is some high level people don't get to know the truth because their motivations are all fucked up and they're empty vessels.
1:38:33And if lies are so old, then people die and the lies just stick. Yeah. Yeah.
1:38:38And it's like the carrots and sticks don't motivate them to figure out their basis. Like, we just asked what is religion. Right?
1:38:45So it's like, you can have full structures. Like, Fort Knox, no gold in it, but everyone's just acting like there is. And there is magic in that.
1:38:53You act like things, and then things start happening because of human behavior. It's very strange. Like, you and Tucker were talking about, like, Fiat.
1:39:00Like, if you believe it has value, you treat it like it has value, and then the economy grows, but it's a picture of a guy with wooden teeth. It's like, what is a dollar?
1:39:11But, like, if you act like it, you do see the economy grow. But then as soon as people start questioning it and then people could say, so what you're doing is damaging and people question these things.
1:39:20They're fundamental I'm like, no. No. No.
1:39:22It's starting to outweigh. Like, every one of these scams ends in catastrophe because the lies, you have to pay the debt back.
1:39:29You can't it's like biological usury with, like, drugs. Like, if you do a lot of blow, you're gonna have to sleep. Like, you have to pay it back with interest.
1:39:37Lies eventually have to get paid back. You can't keep going with them, especially if you're pulling something from them. You know, I see the nuke.
1:39:45Right? And I'm, like, trying to say this to, like, chill people out. I'm not trying to be a dick because people are so afraid.
1:39:50They're like, we're all gonna get nuked. I'm like, no.
1:39:52What I think they would do is a mushroom cloud and then use five g to mimic the boot. You know? I'm like, but just don't be afraid.
1:39:59Like, the key you know, the bible Why would they kill you? You work. Exactly.
1:40:02That but it's about control. Thirty thirty miles. Oh, no.
1:40:05There's a cloud of radiation. And you could mimic the the effects because radiation needs energy. You can mimic the effects.
1:40:12You could radiate a population using a lot of electricity and, like, microwaves and shit, but not that bad. But it can scare people to be like, oh, I can't go to that zone.
1:40:24From the recent files,
1:40:26it's clear Jeffrey Epstein was obsessed with theoretical physics and mathematics. Mhmm. Yeah.
1:40:31He was the ultimate wizard, dude. That's a him and Banner are both total wizards.
1:40:36Why do you think Epstein was so obsessed with mathematics?
1:40:39The wizard shit. It's just a good well, one, they all wanna live forever, which they can't. So they're always trying to do that.
1:40:47So that's their whole thing. They're like, because once you get out the hedonic tremor that's why I have a lot of respect for Bilzerian because he's like, there's nothing there.
1:40:55And when your identity is the guy that, like, banged his way into, like, a half $1,000,000,000, like, letting go of that is so cool that he did that where he's like, it's like heroin.
1:41:06Nothing happens. You just keep banging and then nothing. I think what happens to a lot of these guys is they're like, okay.
1:41:13I wanna live forever. Like, I'm not satisfied by anything. My dick doesn't even work anymore.
1:41:17You know? And and you can't, but I don't even because they don't even have faith. It's like, I think your temporal body dies.
1:41:24You know? It's like, I think that might be the most beautiful thing to live a a good life and die well, and they're, like, resisting it.
1:41:31You know? And I think that's why Epstein was so obsessed with science. He thinks that they can crack the code, but it's, like, absurd.
1:41:38It's like saying I'm gonna get rid of winter. It's like You don't think he was just blackmailing all the scientists? I don't think blackmail coercion only works once.
1:41:45I think he was feeding I think it's far darker to admit that they he was feeding them these horrible things, and they wanted to be there. Because imagine if I'm like, Jack, put me on Thursday or else I'm gonna reveal we're never buddies again.
1:41:59Like, you have one time, and that'll work for about a few months, and then you're gonna try and kill me. So to get a long term coercion, you wanna feed them shit.
1:42:08You wanna give them stem cells and access to the horrors. You know? It's like, feed them appetite shit that they can't get other places.
1:42:17This is actually one problem I had with one of Tucker's pieces of rhetoric, was the whole idea around demons kind of influencing people's behaviors.
1:42:26Is it I would say, the counterargument
1:42:28I'm not saying I think this is the case. Just what what I thought about was maybe, like, we're just too afraid to look at that people can be pretty fucked up sometimes. Dude, I have a friend that I respect a lot that says that the key is to not say, like, a demon.
1:42:41It it like, it's it's influence. So it's like it's as long as you still take authority, I think you can have the conversation of of influence, of, like, an entity influencing you.
1:42:53The minute you say, like, oh, I was simply possessed, that's that's, again, victim consciousness. That's the behavior of the very people that people are calling the evil people. Oh, we had to bomb Lebanon.
1:43:03If not, we'd be turned into soap or whatever. You know? It's like, everyone does that.
1:43:07People are doing that with Jews now. They're like, we have to do this or else they're going to I'm like, dude, it's all in here, man.
1:43:14It's in here. Like, the demon can't make you do anything.
1:43:19It's like a suggestion. It's an offer. Because the minute you say it's demons doing it, you've now given up your free will, and then everything flips.
1:43:26It doesn't work anymore. But I'm with you with that. What do you think OCD is?
1:43:32Great question. I listened to this guy, Lord Buckley.
1:43:37He's like an old school comedy writer that was in that scene, was like a junkie recovered, and he does these long bios on comedians. And I didn't know how, like, dark a lot of their lives were.
1:43:47Like, the the classics, you know, like, lives, man. And, like, Chris Farley had OCD, and he once said, it's me evening the score.
1:43:56And I've been thinking about that a lot. You think it's a way to feel like you have control in a world where you don't feel like you have control? Or, like, if I tap this light switch nine times, like, I'm in control.
1:44:10That's all I got for that. What do you think it is?
1:44:17I think the idea of spirits with your best intentions and spirits with your worst intentions giving you thoughts makes sense a little bit.
1:44:27I I really think it's some type of tapping into something spiritual.
1:44:33I can't tell what it is. Yeah. It feels like that.
1:44:36It's ritual? It's almost like a religious act?
1:44:41Because I look at Christian ritual versus nonsense. Like, Christian rituals that have purpose. Like, I used to think the the bread and wine was dark, and I now think it's great.
1:44:51It's it's it's getting people off cannibalism. Like, the bread is the yeah. I now think it's awesome.
1:44:57And so when a ritual has purpose, it's great. And I know a lot of religious calls that they're they don't even know why they're doing it.
1:45:05Like, dude, some of the j's are so funny. They're like they'll, like, spin a towel and jump backwards, and you're like, why did you do that? They're like, we don't know.
1:45:12And I think that's kinda OCD. It's ritual. It's a a religious ritual without a purpose, and I don't know what that does.
1:45:22I think everyone has a I I occasionally, I'll find myself being like, why did I do that? Like, that didn't make any sense. I think it's taking
1:45:31meaningless action on anxiety typically, but, like, I I wouldn't consider anxiety to be like DSM five type anxiety. Like, I I use it as a word to describe just, I guess, what is anxiety?
1:45:41It's probably like just uncertainty,
1:45:44really. Due to manual labor, bro. That's that's like OCD in the right side up.
1:45:48Because you get anxiety because you're not doing anything that you can look at and be like, sweet. So you're like but if you're just doing that shit, you you don't need to do that because you're do you're physically getting your anxiety out by positively affecting the world around you.
1:46:04Like, being a parent, it's building self esteem is all about little wins all the time. Exactly. Yeah.
1:46:08Yeah. Like, you that chore, like this thing, like, just building it slowly, and it's like that with accomplishment.
1:46:16Like, think about how many jobs you don't get to see the end results. Why I'm the stair freak? Like, I love the stairs.
1:46:21Like, you can be a billionaire, and you never see it end. You just are in this stream of bullshit. It's literally nothing.
1:46:27Nothing's there.
1:46:29Yeah. I I I haven't given much thought to that, but, like It's sort of like castles and airships, bro. Imagine a castle.
1:46:35You're like, ta da.
1:46:37Right? Versus, like it's just a stream is you know, when you look at a moving river, that's why I love doing the livestream by the livestream, it's never the same.
1:46:45It's never one thing. It's always something different all the time, and I think consciousness is kinda like that. Like, it's the river as a thing is always something new.
1:46:55Like, the water is never the same like a lake. You can't be like, the water of the river, it just changed, changed, changed. There's no present to a river.
1:47:04This is a good one for you. What do you think IQ is?
1:47:08I do actually think it's culturally subjective a little bit. And I know Do you really think it's a genetics thing, or do you think it's possible that it's some behavior anxiety, some uncertainty? I don't know.
1:47:18Because I used to take identity pride in it, and now I don't. Because it's like, I see the weaknesses of it, and it's not even that great.
1:47:27It just means you can have processing speed to do nonsense. I think if you have good morality, it doesn't even matter. You know what I mean?
1:47:33I agree. It it might be, like, management, like, ability where you can conceive of multiple things happening at the same time.
1:47:40Like, I can play piano and do comedy and riff, but but who cares? You know how it's like, are if you're if you have, like, a a clean line of, like, fundamentals, you're so much more effective.
1:47:52Like, some high IQ guys are just churning bullshit all the time. And I, like, feel for them. They're, like, in constant misery.
1:47:58Like, imagine working at NASA and and just never going to the moon. Like, your whole life, you're like, dude, they said tomorrow forever.
1:48:09Dude, every president is like, by 1988, a baby will be born. You look at even Musk.
1:48:14It's like he's like, by 2012, we'll be, like, you know, having babies on the moon. And it's like, imagine being the guy like, as a skeptic, it doesn't affect me. Imagine being like, here we go, baby, and it just never comes.
1:48:25You could have just built some stairs. Right. And then they have investment bias where they're like, well, I'm this far in.
1:48:31I can't pull out now. That's a big spell. I tell that to people even that have done horrible things in their life.
1:48:36One devil whispers like, you're far too in. They will never love you. Like, you cannot be forgiven, and that's a lie.
1:48:46You just have to admit it, though. You can't pretend it's good. You just have to admit it, though.
1:48:49You can't pretend it's can't be like my identity it's like, I'm a drunk, dude. It you know? Yeah.
1:48:55So what? I I kill some dudes. You know what I mean?
1:48:57You can't be like, it's good. I think you can, like, be forgiven internally and just in life if you're just like, yeah.
1:49:05That was wrong. That's why I respected Tucker, man. It's such a he genuinely does inspire me because they never admit they're wrong.
1:49:13And he was like, yeah. I was wrong about the Iraq war. Like, that's so fucking rare.
1:49:17Right. Because they have so much ego, and it's just like, just admit it. We all know it's bullshit.
1:49:23Yeah. That's how that's how you break your own spells that you put on yourself. None of us are always right.
1:49:27Like, this idea of perfectionism is, like, insane. It's like we're all on a journey.
1:49:32If we always are right, then we're not exploring, we're not making mistakes, we're not trying new shit. And what does right even mean? You know?
1:49:39Right. Right.
1:49:42Did you say that Nick Fuentes was a woman?
1:49:45I give it 15%. He's got that voice, and he's like, dude, this is gonna sound a little slant.
1:49:53I don't I don't even wanna get into it, but it's just like because I may be completely wrong, but he admitted his IVF made in a lab. And he just acts like he doesn't have and this is gonna sound twin.
1:50:03I know. You can IVF twins?
1:50:06They they always do that, and it's a girl twin. And he suspiciously is, like, very small, and he has he has a voice that sounds hormonal. And it just he acts like he doesn't have a penis.
1:50:16I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick, but he just he has that vibe of, like, of, like, oh, I don't like you.
1:50:24You know? Because I think he's funny in a way, but he's, like, mean girly. But dudes can act like that too.
1:50:30You know? I don't he's probably not a woman, but, you know, like, Milo implied that there was a surgery gone wrong, but he can really just say wild shit.
1:50:39Like, I never start shit. When people talk shit about me, I'm like, you finally greenlit me.
1:50:45I have all these jokes. You know? And so you know?
1:50:48And I don't even care, but he has, like, just said flat out absurdities. And I'm like, okay.
1:50:54I'll I'll dance. I like improv. I'll make fun of you.
1:50:57A white nationalist named Fuentes. This is my fucking birthday. Might as well be named Burrito.
1:51:02Like, this is hilarious. You know? And he's, like, little.
1:51:06He's, this little dude. He's, like, five three. I the only thing I actually might have bigotry for, it might be a height supremacist, and I do work on that.
1:51:14It's just they're all short. Like, all of the monsters, it's not even, like, a race or a thing.
1:51:20They're all fucking short. You think so? Dude, you go through the whole list.
1:51:26Dude, even the serial killers. Ted Bundy was tall, so was that other guy. But the control it's the control freak guys.
1:51:31Serial killers are real? Good point, man. Right?
1:51:37But if you're that m kid and you go along with it, it's still fucked up. Dude, have you ever looked into Kelsey Grammer's family history? Don't know.
1:51:44Yeah. The guy from Cheers who had that who had his own sitcom.
1:51:49He's the highest paid sitcom star. It was called you know what that show was? It was called, like it was huge.
1:51:57Yeah. He was like a bald guy as a psychiatrist, all that shit.
1:52:00It's hilarious you don't know that. It was, like, the biggest show ever. And, dude, two of his family members are murdered.
1:52:07It's insanely suspicious. And I always wonder, like, how do you go?
1:52:13How do you become, like, that guy where you can get away with anything accused of rape if you're always flipping cars on crack? But, yeah, you're the highest paid guy, and your dad and sis your sister's killed by a serial killer. And it's like, the case is retarded too.
1:52:28And it's like, I I think the Black Lives Matter shit's nuts. I also think that they sometimes do pin it on, like, just random black dude.
1:52:37I think this random black guy is, like, just got pinned as a fucking serial killer, and he's definitely not a serial killer. And the case is nuts. It was like he was real, like, jumpy with the cops.
1:52:48And I think what they do is they have these brands like serial killers, and they're, like, lump in kills with them as a branding thing.
1:52:56Right. Right. One I noticed that I thought you would think was interesting was, like, it seems like anyone would be afraid of joining a community that has, like, its own, like, religion and rules where they, like, are self sufficient because it just sounds like a cult.
1:53:14Yeah. And, like, you just think that there's gonna be, like, some, like, weird sex shit. Yeah.
1:53:17Because people call me a cult leader all the time,
1:53:20and I'm, like like, I'm, like, socially awkward. I like to be alone a ton, and I don't tell people what religion to be. I don't even tell people to vote or I'm, like, so not the guy that's like, you two be married.
1:53:32I like a monogamous. And I'm like, oh, it's because I'm not in your cult.
1:53:38Like right? Because I think cult's short for culture. Like, I do build culture.
1:53:43You know? I do. But I think a cult implies truth comes from the leader, which I actually is one of my fundamental things that I think is, like, one of the evils of the world.
1:53:52I'm like, I don't know the truth. Like, idol worship of a cult leader is like hell.
1:53:58I would never want that because then they eventually hate you because you're also responsible for all the bad shit. Idol worship is a fucked up relationship, man. So but, yeah, you're right.
1:54:08Like, as soon as people are doing their own thing, oh, you drank the Kool Aid, that guy was like you ever look into that guy? What was his name again?
1:54:17I can't remember, but that was a total op. He was like this big liberal.
1:54:20He's, like, pushing every liberal talking point. Hollywood loved him.
1:54:25Right? He's, like, has this church. He's, like, promoting, like, old black people.
1:54:30He's, like, the most liberal guy. And then they go to fucking Africa, like, apparently poisons them with Kool Aid. It wasn't even Kool Aid.
1:54:36If I was Kool Aid, it might have been an ad for Kool Aid. Although, I wouldn't I don't know.
1:54:41I don't think that one works. No one's like, I wanna drink Kool Aid after that shit. You know?
1:54:46But it was like a different drink. It wasn't even Kool Aid. I remember that.
1:54:50Yeah. I Yeah. It was sketches, CYA went in, and I don't know.
1:54:53It just just didn't make much sense to me.
1:54:56You wrote in your book in chapter seven, a man whose entire identity is his appearance is a man who has abandoned his function. What do you think of looks maxing?
1:55:05I think it's that's why I do toil maxing. I have, like, a tiny soft spot for colivic work because it's just maxing is such a funny theme, and I love themes. I don't know if he invented it or not, but I always give credit if someone starts a funny thing.
1:55:18Like like, dude, it's so vapid and retarded, but objectively hilarious.
1:55:24He's sitting with this chick, and she's like, why aren't you drinking water? Why he goes, I'm penis maxing. He wanted to make his penis look a little longer, and he didn't act like it was funny.
1:55:33And I was like, that's if he, like, is deeply doing a joke, that's, like, the funniest thing ever. But, anyway, so as far as spells go, it actually cucks you to women. You know?
1:55:43Because you're saying, like, I want to be adorned as beautiful.
1:55:48It it, like, actually lowers a man's value. You know? And I'm not saying not to look better and care about your appearance, but it's like, I'll spend money to look beautiful so a woman wants me.
1:55:58It's like I don't know. To me, that's just so strange.
1:56:02What's the
1:56:03I I'm not asking. Like No. I wouldn't like, what's maxing should be, like, nutrition,
1:56:08exercise. I believe in physiognomy. I think your face starts matching your lifestyle.
1:56:14You know? Like, I'm fine with all that. But if someone's, like, smashing their nose and taking hormones and, like, they're sterile and they're, like, spending all their money, You know, they're like, Chad is so jealous.
1:56:27No. I'm like, you know, men should look healthy and be respectable looking, but, like, it's typically about making them feel safe, having a purpose, working hard.
1:56:37That's you know? You don't think women only care about looks? No.
1:56:41I think they don't like ugly, but they can even roll with ugly. I don't know, man.
1:56:48I've it's like they care about looks if they're just, like, banging a guy or something, but women aren't even designed to bang guys. That's, like, totally insane. Imagine if if if every time you had sex, you could get pregnant.
1:56:59Nine months, you're, like, super vulnerable, and then you have to raise a child from the man's, like and I know we have, like, a system that changed all that, but their genetics are still that.
1:57:09Right. Like, women aren't designed to be like, men are designed to be more promiscuous even though I still believe in monogamy, but, like, the female lifestyle is nuts.
1:57:19That's why they're all in these fucking pills because they're, like, they're not supposed to be banging looks maxers. Even they are attracted to these guys, but it's a they end up going nuts from that. They're not supposed to do that.
1:57:30And I'm not, like, shaming them like some of these guys. I feel bad for them. I'm like, dude, you don't have to do that.
1:57:36Like, your value is way bigger than just, like, blowing a guy with good claviculars. Like, it's just weird.
1:57:44Right? You know what I mean? And I always did I always did well, and I'm like, no.
1:57:49I'm not a I can play, you know How tall are you? Six eight, but that's it gets almost weird at that point, though. No.
1:57:55And I can play Bach by ear and shit, and I'm funny. And I play Bach by ear? Well, I'm, like, I'm, like, really good at the piano, and that that would, like, oddly you know, and I can be dominant in a room and all that, but I'm not, like, a stud at all.
1:58:08I would I would always outkick. Like, my wife's better looking than me. It's like but I I I feel like it should be like that.
1:58:14I'm like, I'm not supposed to be beautiful. I'm supposed to be awesome. Right?
1:58:20I like that a lot, actually. Right? Dude, I know like, I used to be buddies with, like, I'll tell you after, but, like, a major stud actor.
1:58:28Like, stud. And he would always, like I would almost do like, I was, like, a busboy, and I'm like, bro, you're, like, on a one of the biggest shows in the world.
1:58:41You're, like, at eleven. I'm like and you're always, like, weird about I'm like and I'm like a fucking busboy who smells like booze and fucking, like, what is this?
1:58:52It's I think a lot of it's just your vibe. It's just like You're saying he wasn't good with girls? He could be.
1:58:56Like, he'd date, like, attractive women, but he'd be like, man, how do you do it, dude? I'm like, you're, like, retarded. Click.
1:59:04What are you doing? Looks help for about two and a half seconds. Yeah.
1:59:07It's like vibe. It's like being famous on stage. You have five minutes where they'll laugh, and then you have to be funny.
1:59:12Like, if you're a famous comedian, they're like, oh, fuck. This is great.
1:59:16And then it's like, a crowd will turn on the most famous comic if they're not funny. 100%. Yeah.
1:59:21I mean, I see this on YouTube a lot. It's like big YouTubers, if you make a bad video, like, it fucking flops. You know?
1:59:27Yeah. Think about a woman if it's like, I want my children to be legendary. Right?
1:59:31Do they wanna be, like, a ninth ab or, like, being in a community and structure that's safe and nurtures them and they have, like, morality to become, like, kings and shit? Right.
1:59:41So they want you to be I'm not, like, against working out and trying to improve, but, like, how about get really good at a skill? Have guys treat you you know, I was just talking to Jake Shields about that where it's like, being a world champion, it's how men treat you. They don't know what a fucking arm bar is.
1:59:56But when men are like, yo. That's the champion. Women are like, That's great.
2:00:01And you can do that with, like, plumbing and shit. If other guys are like, dude, that guy built his whole house from, like, fucking wood pallets. Women are like, that's super attractive.
2:00:09You said physiognomy. What can you tell about someone by looking at their face?
2:00:15I think that you're like, by 40, you start getting a face of your lifestyle. Like, I think I call it allegations face, where, like, creepy guys, they start they have a look where their face starts looking pervy.
2:00:27And I also think like, I didn't used to be able to grow a beard because I was, like, more LA, like, you know, mouse utopia guy. And then as soon as I started getting a little antisemitic, I got a fucking beard.
2:00:39No. But, seriously, as soon as I started being like like, I have children I have to protect. I have, like, blah blah blah.
2:00:44My voice went down a little, and my fucking jaw got bigger. Isn't that hilarious?
2:00:50Do you think money buys happiness?
2:00:52No. But it's energy. So, like, I I'm not against money, but it, like, helps you do the thing that you are.
2:00:59So, like, you can accomplish more. You have more freedom to do cool things. Like, if you have a lot of money, you can, you know, take your children to the coral reef and show them you know, like, it's awesome, but it doesn't make you anything.
2:01:10It doesn't change you fundamentally. It actually amplifies your traits. It's like being drunk.
2:01:16Right? It's like the fun guy gets super fun, and the dark depressing guy gets, like, super dark. Right?
2:01:21It, like, amplifies like an exclamation point. Maybe not being drunk. Some people switch.
2:01:27But Do you think money's real? I think such a good question.
2:01:33It's like, is a soccer point real? It's like Exactly. I told my kids once, and it's so true, and my buddy coaches a soccer team too.
2:01:41You could be beaten 20 to zero. If you score one goal and celebrate, the other team gets demoralized. It's so funny, dude.
2:01:49They're like like my kids would be like, yeah. And the other team's like, I thought we won. It's like, no.
2:01:55But they're really pumped for what they did. I think that's, like, what money is. Like, I think my expectations were pretty low.
2:02:01So when I would make big checks, I would be like, woah. But if I was from, like, a billionaire family, I'd be like, papa, I only made 20 mil this year. I'm pathetic.
2:02:11So it is relative, but land isn't relative. You wanna talk wealth with land.
2:02:15You know, a 100 acres, you can raise this amount of cattle. You can get this amount of stuff. Like, that is real.
2:02:20Silver is a valuable asset. Gold, valuable asset. They can do this, this, this.
2:02:24But dollars is a is a point in a game that is rigged. I mean, they just do print it and give it to retards.
2:02:31Who prints it? There's a variety of ways. Like, the the skyrocketing housing prices is a form of printing money.
2:02:38So, like, when you get a mortgage, that money is is created when you sign it. So, like, let's say you put down a $100, $700,000 mortgage, that's printed now.
2:02:48So that just came out of nothing. And so that's one form of inflation.
2:02:53They also can be like, well, we're facing a war. That's why they love war, pestilence, all the four horses of the apocalypse because, like, people get so scared. They're like, yeah.
2:03:01I mean, what are we gonna do? We have to print a trillion dollars or you know? And then they and then it just makes all the other dollars worth less.
2:03:08You know? We also have to build all this technology in the meantime as well. And what is it really doing?
2:03:12You know? I bought a truck. It's 99, 370,000 miles, and it doesn't break ever.
2:03:20You know, the new shit is super interesting. Like, I love tech. Like, we connect it.
2:03:24Like, we can look at each other's videos and stuff. But as far as engines and shit, they're not improving engines.
2:03:30They're not improving some of this shit that I'm like like, I'm starting to come up with ways to generate energy with, like, water wheels and shit. I'm like, why aren't more people doing this? It's like a control structure.
2:03:39This might be our last podcast then. No. I'm not good enough at it where I'm a threat.
2:03:44I'm, like, just under it. But they're like, he can't he's not really gonna do it. But I I have met guys that have that have done some shit, though.
2:03:52Have you heard about that? What's that one act called? It's like the patent privacy act.
2:03:56Do know you what I'm talking about? Where if you make something that challenges them, they can just, like, take it and hide it.
2:04:01Is that what it is? Yeah. There's, like, 8,000 patents.
2:04:04If if it's a threat to national security And I do get it. Imagine if someone's like, okay. Oil's completely unnecessary.
2:04:10Like, that would be horrifying. Right. Right?
2:04:12But I that's why you gotta, like, slowly do it privately. I'm all about the private. The private's where it's at.
2:04:17Like, I I know a dude who actually created something where, like, and I don't know how it worked, but and he's, like, super good at this shit where he made magnets, like, starting to make electricity, and he was, like, bringing it to a to, like, a a show. And it did like, black fucking cars did take it.
2:04:35It's, like, fact. And they were just like, you can't do that. And he's like, alright.
2:04:41They didn't, like, kill them or anything. They're just like, you can't bring that to market. Like, you can have that, but you can't sell that.
2:04:47That's what I think prohibition was. I think people were making fuel, not booze. Because, like, I think about that all the time.
2:04:53I'm like, dude, have an orchard. I'm gonna make fucking ethanol. You know?
2:04:57And they're like, oh, the the Rockefellers don't want you to be drunk.
2:05:02What the fuck?
2:05:04You mentioned Vivian Kubrick earlier. Yeah. There's a theory about her father, Stanley Kubrick, that he was trying to expose the elite sex cults operating in Hollywood with that movie Eyes Wide Shut, and that he died six days after handing his final cut to the studio.
2:05:23Mhmm.
2:05:25Did you ask his daughter about Kind of. I don't think she knows about that stuff. She's a very sweet person, and I was just trying to have a good chat with her.
2:05:32And I have my own fears. I think good art just exposes everything without even intention. Like, I don't even know if that was his goal, but because I see shit in that movie where where it's even more exposing about just the nature of reality and dreams and power.
2:05:47Like, that the ritual is real life. It's just they have the robes on.
2:05:51You can't see it because the party is matching the ritual. Right?
2:05:56Where they're like, you shut like, the behavior of the alpha in the party and all the people around him is matching. You know, they have the the horror Babylon and all the the the figures. And he's almost just like he's almost like like comedy in a way, but like horror.
2:06:11He's like he's like showing you reality in a way that's like that's like a metaphor.
2:06:16You know?
2:06:18Because the thing that always blows my mind is show it in me, and that's when I'm like, holy fuck. Like, show that I'm doing a ritual or, like, you know, that and I think he did that well.
2:06:31And I think the shining did that too. And I think I I don't I don't think that any I don't think he was killed. I I don't know, man.
2:06:37It was sketchy, but, like, they still released the movie. It's like they didn't hide the movie.
2:06:43Well, they cut out, what, twenty four minutes or something. I know. They're also just, like, so retarded, though.
2:06:49It's like, could they know what to cut out? They're, like, empty vessels. But heart attacks are real sketchy.
2:06:55Like, that's I don't know, man. I mean, you're looking into Nicole Kidman's dad, dude, biggest landowner in all of Australia and, like, facing tons of horrific allegations, and the name is Kidman.
2:07:07But it, again, I don't know. Died mysteriously, all that shit.
2:07:11It's just a strange person to star in that movie. Right. And I think he's, like, autistic genius type and just naturally dude, 2001 space size is nuts.
2:07:21The obelisk is right next to, like, the the World Trade Center. It's the exact dimensions of the obelisk.
2:07:29They fall in 2001, and it's the same look as a fucking iPhone. And it, like, has it's like there's so much shit in there, and I don't.
2:07:36He might have just been riffing, and it's just, like, really good art can just show the future sometimes. You know? Because it's so detailed.
2:07:45I'm like, how logistically how do you do that? Like, the matrix. You know, Neo's birthday is 09/11/2001 on his passport.
2:07:51Like because I see synchronicities all the time happen. Do you know who made that movie?
2:07:57The the trans
2:07:58grabber guys? Yeah. I swear.
2:08:00I looked up who made that movie, and it was The Wachowski brothers that cut the ween off? Yeah. And then Yeah.
2:08:04I looked up who made it a year later. Was like, oh, was two women made it. I was like, what?
2:08:09Because that was pretty recent. Right? Yeah.
2:08:11Their their red pill was all it was estrogen, I think. Well, my joke is always don't take any pill from a black guy in a leather trench coat.
2:08:19I like breaking binaries. Because one big wizard spell is like, which pill? I'm like, that assumes pill.
2:08:25That's how that that's authoritative speech. The real pill is there's no pill. Yeah, dude.
2:08:31They've said the red pill is about transitioning. And I'm like, truth but there's a lot of truth in it too. It's like the truthers can see it as like getting out of the the system, and they're like, no.
2:08:41It's about cutting off the wean.
2:08:43And you're like, dude. Or that's humiliation. I don't know.
2:08:46Why do you think millennials are obsessed with Harry Potter? Yeah. Do you think that's demonic?
2:08:52In a way. Yeah. Because I think Dumbledore was like Epstein kinda dude, it's a little island where they take kid runaways in a train.
2:09:01It's just like they teach him magic, and they're exposed to a guy that becomes a wolf every fucking full moon. It's just like it just doesn't feel like a safe environment for kids.
2:09:10You know what I mean? It's like troubled kids go go there to learn magic with a childless gay guy in a fucking castle in a magical land.
2:09:21Right? And in London, you have to go through it like a strange doorway. It's just but I don't think it was intentional.
2:09:27I think, g I think Rowling was, like, being passionate about it and, like, writing well, but, you know, there's no rules in the sport. I like, a lot of it frustrates me.
2:09:37Do you think a lot of people just make art and some of it gets pushed more than others? That's how I think it completely works. I think it's editorial.
2:09:44I think, like, even a lot of these psyops, I think because I'll see a news story start going up. The details aren't matching the agenda, and it's gone. I think they're looking at human behavior, and they're and they're like, oh, promote.
2:09:55This is what we want. Because when I was selling scripts in Hollywood, they never told us the agenda. They're like, this year, we're looking for this theme.
2:10:03And so we're all writing the scripts, and the money's so big that we're just thinking about selling the script, you know, getting it syndicated. It's like our carrot is that. And they get 15 scripts, get it down to five.
2:10:15They shoot three. They green light one, and it's just the thing they wanted. They don't tell us.
2:10:20They're like, of all the scripts, this one matches it. We have the you know, there's a kid in a wheelchair. There's a tran you know, whatever they want, they do.
2:10:27You know, like Modern Family. I sold a script that year about, like, a family that's strange and odd and different. And so I sold a script for $50, but then the next layer like, the first layer of executives are like, oh, these are really good scripts.
2:10:40Then the next layer, like, that's a hero. That makes too much sense. That gives you hope.
2:10:45Right. No. That like, because Hollywood, so many people are not in that.
2:10:49They're not all, like The thing that they do, though, is they turn the other they look away to keep their bullshit is what most of them do. Like, most of them are not, like, eating kids.
2:11:00They're just, like they will ostracize someone who points out an obvious thing is what most of the evil of Hollywood is. And then there's some dudes that are real fucked up.
2:11:11This is an important one that I feel like you would have a compelling theory about. But do you think I mean, it sounds super basic, but I I just I still don't know.
2:11:21And I think I know, but do you think algorithms show you what you want to watch, or do you think it's more sophisticated than that? I think it's a combination.
2:11:30I think it wants to feed you so you stay engaged and then steer you. Right. Isn't that the concept of carrot stick?
2:11:38Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
2:11:39And and, like, controlled opposition and all that. And people just do it naturally, and they don't even realize they're doing it. They're like, I want you to look at me, and then I'm gonna sell you the thing I wanna sell you.
2:11:48Like, that's what controlled opposition is. But I see that a lot in history where it's like, you know, you said in Germany where it's like, base Germany, and then you got a guy saying all the right shit and then just starts bringing you into, like, a slaughter. You know what I mean?
2:12:03Like, I think all sides of war is fucked up. I think it's like a I always tell my kids, no wars. Like, don't ever fight a war.
2:12:10It's an agreement to die in a weird way. You know?
2:12:15It's an agreement to die in a weird way. That's strange rhetoric, but it's true. It's like
2:12:20it's like you're giving up so much autonomy. Like, that's what I mean. Like, do they have awareness of what they're doing?
2:12:25They're like, you're the enemy. I have a buddy that's killed people in war. He's like, it didn't even feel real.
2:12:30He's like, there's the guy. You shoot him. I didn't know him.
2:12:34It's like of Duty. Right. Exactly.
2:12:36Exactly. And it's like and now you're agreeing to also be that guy on the other side.
2:12:42Like, that's not real war. It's not like that's industrial slaughter.
2:12:46It's like how you slaughter animals. You know? It's like so that's why I think all war I'm I'm never on his side of anybody in a war unless it's a defensive existential war of, like, a homeland or something.
2:12:57But if you're funded big, it's eugenic in my opinion.
2:13:03And I just don't trust. I'm just like that's why I'm always like I used to I did a a shirt years ago, I think.
2:13:09It said, or should have homesteaded or something. It's like, my and I could be wrong, but my whole theory is, like, get nondependent, and that's the whole thing.
2:13:18Like, you can't you can't fight that. You you know?
2:13:23Because people would say, do not rely. I was like, do not no. Do not comply.
2:13:26I was like, do not rely. Because you have to comply if you rely. Like, if you give me all my water, even if you tell me to hop on one foot, like, unless I have water, I should hop on one foot.
2:13:37That's the biblical thing of, like, slaves be good to your master. If you wanna be free, you have to fucking get your own water. Right?
2:13:45And and no and that's why people can see me as this, like, boogeyman because they just don't wanna admit that. Like, I, you know, I can have wacky theories.
2:13:53I can be whatever. But, like, obviously, I'm not some boogeyman. It's that concept.
2:13:57They're like, fuck Owen, Benjamin. Because it's like, no. No.
2:14:01They're poisoning me. I'm like, dude, you can grow a plant, man. They're like, well, I don't have land like you.
2:14:08I'm like, dude, you can grow it in a windowsill. Just one fucking tomato. I think something spiritual happens when you grow one thing.
2:14:15I'm always like, grow one thing. Grow one sprout. I think you literally go to another side where you're, like, productive.
2:14:21And, like because you're like, oh my god. One tomato has a 100 seeds. A 100 seeds has a 100 tomatoes.
2:14:26That's exponentially unlimited well, what's the it's like this thing that happens. And this thing makes me healthier as well. Right.
2:14:33Has all this, like, genetic DNA. Unlimited, and it's free. It's like every tomato it's such basic shit.
2:14:39Every tomato is filled with seeds that make tomato plants that make unlimited tomatoes, and they just require water, dirt, and care. Look. That's why I've tried to change the rhetoric.
2:14:49I can't afford a house to I can't build a house. I'm like, imagine if you could build a house. It's like, uh, it might be not people used to buy houses off the Sears catalog and build them.
2:14:59And I don't have those skills, but, like, what if we reach for those skills, then we're not in any debt? You buy you build a house. I have buddies that do that all the time.
2:15:06They make $17 an hour. They own their house because they slowly built them with random shit they got at construction sites. And they have, like, eight kids, and they're crushing.
2:15:15You know? I
2:15:17know this is the worst question to ask someone who's a former comedian and still is a comedian, of course. I bet I'd still wrestle with that too. What's the joke that would get this podcast deleted?
2:15:29At this point, none. Because I think the everything's moved over. Like, I'm not the guy that ever wanted to, like be like, we gotta kill these guys.
2:15:38I was always the guy being like, look at this inversion, and they're all out now. You know? Like, to the point where I don't know.
2:15:47I mean, I also make fun of, like, vets and cripple. I'm not a hypocrite. Like, a lot of my audience are vets, and I'm like, okay.
2:15:53That's the sacred cow, and they appreciate it. You know? What's your favorite joke to tell your kids?
2:15:57Oh, dude. They just like silly shit. Dude, kids are so it's such a good question because, like, it really challenges me to be more actually funny than just to release stress.
2:16:10Like, a lot of my I get people to laugh because I release stress. Oh, my wife doesn't really hate me. Right?
2:16:16But you need, like, the trauma and the stress for me to do that. So a kid is so pure, but they're so easy to make laugh if you're just, like, like, just having a blast. Like, they just like, they I do videos at my campground where I just ride around the four wheeler, and I make funny faces and pretend I'm going super fast, and they think it's, like, the funniest shit ever.
2:16:35And I and it is. I mean, say what you will about Bill Cosby. He's like, and I I always didn't like that guy, but his sound effects, kids always thought it was funny.
2:16:44He's like, the bunny pops. And then he did some and stuff, but, like, he did know that aspect. But he always told everybody.
2:16:55Everyone knew. He did a joke where he's like, Spanish fly. You put it in the drink.
2:16:59It's great. Like, he was never hiding it. He tried to buy NBC, and they're like, you're out of here.
2:17:05They hate competition. Same with Harvey Weinstein. Of course, he's a pervert psycho.
2:17:09They all are. My folder said he once ate a pot brownie. These guys all have all this shit where they're like, okay.
2:17:16Unleash. Because they don't let you buy the means of production. Like, Weinstein wanted Weinstein company to to take more over of Warner Brothers, and it's like mafia shit.
2:17:26They're like, oh, no. No. No.
2:17:28No.
2:17:28Let's get all the horrors you've been fucking, and now they're gonna tell the tale, and you're going to prison, little boy.
2:17:34Same with Cosby. Cosby was, like, trying to own NBC. Same with and, again, I don't know.
2:17:39I know there's Kobe Bryant was, like, in a lawsuit with this major pharmaceutical thing about a major brand. It's like and, dude, again, Puff Daddy, total scumbag, wanted to own the brand.
2:17:55The thing is, like, they don't want you to own it unless you build it. And I understand that. It's like like, one thing that kept me through some hard times is I only control what I build.
2:18:02I'm like, I didn't build YouTube. And that's what lowered my resentment. I'm like, it's your thing.
2:18:06I didn't build it. I don't have any right to that.
2:18:09And even, like, the twisted world, they can be like, you didn't build Ciroc. Do know how many wars we had to do for this? Right.
2:18:15You didn't build Warner Brothers. We have fucking a desert filled with bodies, dude. You get out of here.
2:18:21You know? It gave me comfort. I guess is there any pattern you've noticed that you haven't heard other people talk about?
2:18:27I've actually been inspired lately, which feels great. Like, I was just telling Jake about that. Like, listen to you and Tucker, like, all kinds of people, which I didn't have for a little while because I was so far ahead in people I thought were being such cowardly retards.
2:18:42People are saying shit that I haven't even thought of now. Like, people say stuff, and I'm like, woah. That's great, man.
2:18:47Like, I'm not I'm not the tip of the spear like I once was except for personal accountability, and I've done it makes me kind of interesting.
2:18:57Where I did buy my own piece of land to do my own comedy special with people throwing in $400, like, that's wild. That gets around the usury system and freaks people out.
2:19:07I did build my own, you know, social media and cultivated an authentic audience where I have, like, real relationships with these people. Like, I did start a farm, but, like, I didn't invent any of this shit. Right.
2:19:20Like, I didn't invent farming or having a big family. That's why I liked some of the Tucker insights because he's got that old WASP New England knowledge shit that I'm, like, into too where he's like, men don't complain.
2:19:32I'm like, oh, man. I complain a lot. Right.
2:19:35He like, that was getting me pumped. Even though he was like, you don't have to take off your shoes. I'm like, you gotta fucking take off your shoes.
2:19:42But that was still a good point. When he was like, no. You're welcome in my house.
2:19:46I'm like, dude, the Jap. How funny is this? The Japs, they're not even called Japanese.
2:19:51They're called. These are the spells. They're like, oh, how dare you say Jap?
2:19:55I'm like, it's an abbreviation of a word you invented that they don't call themselves. Like, how is that offensive? It's like Indian.
2:20:03Alright. What do you like to call them? Indian.
2:20:07People of the Basket. American Indian. Yeah.
2:20:09But you gotta differentiate between the two. You got dot Indian and Basket Indian. And then there is no real because they're all super tribal.
2:20:18So, like and I I was raised playing lacrosse with all these guys. They're like, no. I'm Mohawk.
2:20:23Like, they like, they're super tribal. That makes sense. Yeah.
2:20:27It's like Germany used to be that way. It's like, no. We're Bavarian.
2:20:29We're Prussian. Like, what the fuck is Germany? They're always rebranding homogenizing zones.
2:20:35That's why the the you go all the way down to the individual, then the kin, that's where kind comes from. The word kind is what how you are to your kin, that you know. And it's like, you really are you feel better around your own culture and your own kind because you know you know the signs that you've offended someone.
2:20:53You know the bonding mechanisms. It's just, like, easier, and that's where kindness comes from.
2:20:58In another culture that's just as valid, like, you just don't know. You're like, dude, I didn't take off my shoes.
2:21:04Is this sushi guy gonna fuck me up now? You know what I mean? Like, they I used to work at a Japanese restaurant.
2:21:09They thought I was funny, but they thought I was just a total animal, like Godzilla or some shit. They'd be like, you are so tall. They're like, you're so big, Godzilla.
2:21:18They tip a dollar. I'm like, to us, that's super offensive. They're like, oh, I give you dollar very good.
2:21:23I'm like, it was a $500 bill, bro. I'm like, dude, you're you're all about the bonsai tree and shit. Do I just tell you how fucked up that was?
2:21:31You know? But they're good people. When they get hammered, one of them wanted to, like, climb on me.
2:21:36Like no. They're like the little guys.
2:21:38They they think giants are, like, play things, but I I respect Japanese culture a lot. It's very clean.
2:21:43I have two for you that are interesting. One thing I noticed that it wasn't talked about a lot on your Tucker podcast was you kept saying the words neocon over and over again.
2:21:55Was there something there? Yeah.
2:21:57Neo conservative. It's just all nonsense. Like, what are you conserving?
2:22:00It's like, Trotsky comes to America. They split off from the Bolsheviks.
2:22:04He starts that whole movement, which is pretty much just an Israeli Bolshevik move, which is fine.
2:22:11But it's, like, it's funny when, you know, liberals don't let you do shit and conservatives don't conserve shit. And then neo, anytime there's a modifier, you're just getting into more and more nonsense. You know?
2:22:21And so Neocon is just like that group of people that at any cost just want wars, and that's pretty much it.
2:22:30Why? I mean, if I wanted to take accountability, I'd say a lot of our economy is based on Lockheed Martin and shit.
2:22:39And to sell weapons, you need to have wars. And they're and they're terrified if people don't have retirement, that they're gonna rebel and I don't know.
2:22:47But or just they're nuts.
2:22:49Do you feel some type of guilt saying things that some people might take as external problems instead of be be able to take accountability in their life? Like, it it you seem hesitant to want to say anything that would spark fear in someone or, like, make them feel like fear? Yeah.
2:23:05Or make them feel like they don't have, like, control over something. But I I truly believe that. Yeah.
2:23:10I truly believe that. It's not I'm not just trying to pump people up. It's crazy when you kinda see it where you're like
2:23:17where you're like, oh, it's all a choice. And I'm not I'm not, like, narcissistic in the sense that I'm responsible for all the greatness in the world.
2:23:25It's just like you always have a choice. Like, I know some people that have had some real fucked, like, wild rides. The only way out is accountability.
2:23:33Like, if you're, like, you know, vet PTSD, addicted to opioid, you know, you have all this shit.
2:23:40You're beaten as a like, all these things use all this. The one thing that gets you out is just to forgive and take accountability, or else you don't get out. So, like, I know it helps, but I know it hurts because it does you have all these memories of people that did shit to you and, like, threats and all these but we we we imagine so much.
2:24:01Like, we never see it. You know, so much shit is imagined in our heads. Like because I've had some horrific shit happen, and it doesn't even scare you when it happens as much as you think.
2:24:10It's thinking about it. They were in that in in war, uh, social engineering. If you actually bomb a people, they almost lose the sense of fear with death because they see it.
2:24:19They they're like, oh, and they and they feel it it, like, frees them in a way. They like, like, uh, rumors of war.
2:24:26It's in the bible. They want it over the hill. They want you to imagine it in your head.
2:24:30Right? That's why they never gave us a mask. They're like, you buy it.
2:24:33You make it yours. Like, make it your mask. Like, no one ever fucking sent us a mask.
2:24:37Right? Because it's like, you connect with it because you're imagining it. When you actually fucking go with someone, the risk is you free them because they're like, oh, I see that you don't have any you ever see that movie, uh, revolver?
2:24:50Mm-mm. Oh, bro. You gotta see revolver.
2:24:53It'll blow your mind. And it's, uh, Jason Statham and shit, and it's, like, one of the most profound movies ever. There's this I I can't even do it justice, but there's scenes that are just about this when he realizes that the monster has no control, and it's, like, mind blowing.
2:25:10They don't have because they it's like, fear me. And it's Ray Liotta, and by the end and he's, like, supposedly this powerful guy. He's like, fear he's like, fear me.
2:25:19And he starts, like, breaking down. He's like, fear me. Fear me.
2:25:22And, like, not fearing them and forgiving and not even being angry, it like, they have to face themselves, and then it all, like, goes away. It's fucking nuts.
2:25:30It's very, like, electromagnetic. It's like without the polarity, what does it do? Right.
2:25:35Fear is the thing that gives the thing power. Yeah. I like Dune.
2:25:38Fear is the mind killer. It's so true. What do you think of David Ike?
2:25:42Weird jacket. I'd I'd like to I'd really I'd I'd honestly like to ask him about soccer at this point.
2:25:48Like, I don't even give a fuck about the like, because I just started liking soccer because my kids play soccer, so I started watching the World Cup, and now I respect it. And so I just wanna ask him shit about soccer because he's, like, a professional soccer player.
2:26:01Like, his reptilian I like, he gets pissed at, you know, calling out the shills. I I went through that and everything, but, like, what does it really do? Or it's like
2:26:09Sells books. Right.
2:26:11And it's like, so the reptiles, what does that mean? Like, they need a heat lamp or, like, how what is and I'm not trying to knock the dude. I'm like, but what do I do with that?
2:26:20Like, what does that mean? Like, nuclear bombs not being real.
2:26:24What do I do with that? I don't have to fear the future. I don't have to scare the fuck out of my kids.
2:26:28I can have children. I can plan long term. I don't have to, like, put all this focus and energy into this little group of people I've never met with a button in a desert.
2:26:36Like, there's objectively good shit that happens. But, like, they're actually lizards. May legitimately, maybe.
2:26:43But, like, okay. So can you, like, do something to their tongue or something?
2:26:47Like, what does that how does that do for me? You know? Like, I used to I, like, I briefly thought I was a because I I had, like, nine wisdom teeth, and I'm fucking huge.
2:26:55And I'm like, no. There's no way. But imagine, like, realizing you're a wizard person, but you're, like, a pretty chill dude.
2:27:02Like, I had a ton of teeth. I'm fucking huge. And I do kinda like base six.
2:27:08What's base six? You know, they say the six fingered they all have six fingers, but I to me, I think that's how they count. Right.
2:27:14One two three four. You know? Because a a base 12, it's just so much more elegant with the fractions and stuff.
2:27:21And I'm like, fuck. And I I don't think I'm an f one now. That's my n word.
2:27:27I'm a fallen angel because I'm tall. Like, people say that shit to me all the time. Dehumanizing.
2:27:32After you were deplatformed briefly, someone followed anonymous reports,
2:27:38and CPS Child Protective Services showed up at your door. Yeah. You said you got on your knees and prayed to God.
2:27:44Yeah. Yeah. I was like, you know, occasionally in your life, you have those, like, real praise.
2:27:47You have, like, the dinner prayers, and then you have those ones that are fucking, like, real. That was a real one. I had that on the flight here.
2:27:55You did? Yeah. What was it about the flight?
2:27:57Yeah. I was like, I haven't prayed in a while, but, like, I'm praying right now. Bro, this is probably me wrong.
2:28:01I haven't, like, beat fear. I'm fucking super scared of flying. I hate flying.
2:28:05But I, like, know but, again, like, I haven't beat I don't want people to walk away thinking I've, like, beaten fear. I I always face it. But it's But you live your life in a way that you try to build frameworks around Yeah.
2:28:16And I just a thing out this. I just look at it, and I go, oh, that's a fear. Like, is this statistically reasonable?
2:28:23Have more people died from fucking toaster ovens? Why is it that I'm afraid? Because I watched so many movies.
2:28:28It's because, you know, it's like But I still recently. Feel was like, why am I afraid of sharks?
2:28:33I'm like, it's literally just because of Jaws. Me too. I was afraid in a YMCA swimming pool as a kid of sharks.
2:28:39I was afraid of AIDS at nine. No. I I, like, know this because I know fear.
2:28:45I like it's like bane. I'm like, I know that scam.
2:28:48Right. It's the ultimate scam. It's the only scam.
2:28:51It's the only dude, that's
2:28:54I pay all my taxes. That's one thing I never wanna fuck with. But, like, isn't it funny that people keep saying death and taxes, death and taxes?
2:29:00It's like those are the only two real things. I'm like, are they?
2:29:05What
2:29:06was the prayer you said?
2:29:09I just was, like, genuinely telling God that I love my children and help me be strong. What what happened that night? Not every it was, like, nothing.
2:29:16It was, like, my biggest fear, and that just went away because my wife was such an angel, man. I was like, but they could say this, and they could take our kids, and they could do because I I I had these, like, thoughts and visions in my head.
2:29:28And she was like, but you're a good father. And I'm like, I know, Normie. But, like, they could love it.
2:29:34And she goes, but you are a good father. And I'm like, I know, but they could and then she was just reiterating, but, like, the truth is you are a good father.
2:29:42And I was like, you're right. I am a good father.
2:29:45And that's when I was I it actually freed me. That's the that's the issue with these, uh, things that people do.
2:29:50I'm like, they're god's children. I'm the guardian of them.
2:29:54I will do my best. And I was like, oh my god. Because I was like, if they get taken, it's on me and they've and I'm like, no.
2:30:01My job is to be the best father I can. Their everything is god's. And I was like, oh and I wasn't, like, not stressed, but I started seeing the system for what it was.
2:30:10And the CBS guy was totally cool. I started being like, man, he seemed stressed out. He was like a nice guy.
2:30:15And in my mind, they were gonna, like, pull my children out of my house. And and then I'm like, have I ever known anyone that's had the CPS take their kids? And I'm like, I know it happens, but, like, is it is it a boogeyman story?
2:30:27You know?
2:30:29This is a weird one. Have you ever thought that someone was monitoring your spiritual state?
2:30:36Yes.
2:30:39Yeah. I've had that feeling. I just don't have anything else for that, but I've had that feeling.
2:30:44Yeah. Dude, I have a buddy, though. I've never gotten into leucine gins.
2:30:47I've done a few I've, like, had small amounts of mushrooms, and I had a lot when I was in high school. It was pretty interesting. But I had a buddy that did the whole gauntlet, India, Ayahuasca, all that, and he said something so interesting.
2:30:59I was like, do you still do that shit? He goes, oh, no. No.
2:31:01I'm like, why? He goes, he's like, it's all CIA shit.
2:31:04I'm like, what? He goes, yeah.
2:31:06You do Ayahuasca. I started I started looking around. He's like, this is a construct.
2:31:10This is all CIA shit. I'm like, how? He's like, I think they program frequencies.
2:31:18And I can't conceive of that because I don't have very many psychedelic experiences under my belt. But that kinda blew my mind where there could definitely be consciousness frequencies where someone can tweak it with frequencies.
2:31:33You know? Right. Like, if you can build a simulation, what's the portal for getting into it?
2:31:38You know? Right. And I think a lot of it is frequency.
2:31:40Like, as a piano teacher, like, right now, I'm getting really into, like, free the the connection between frequency and light and and geometry. And I really do think Tesla, when he said everything's like frequency, it's like, I think there's so much truth to that.
2:31:54Like, matter's all empty space. Like, what does that mean? You know?
2:31:57It's like a it's like a it's like a music. It's like a note. That's what I've never been able to wrap my head around.
2:32:02I feel like a little too autistic for the whole frequency thing. But could could you try to explain it? It.
2:32:07Yeah. Okay. So when people say, like, the Schumann resonance of the Earth, like because everything has a natural resonant frequency.
2:32:15Like, I'll show you. So that doesn't sound like a note, but, like, that's a note.
2:32:22Anything with cavitation of any empty space has a resonant frequency, which means if there's any impact, it makes it a a note with a frequency, like how many hertz per second. And just like you tune a piano, like, when you, like, hit a certain note and, like, a glass vibrates, it's because that resonant note is what you're doing.
2:32:41Right? And so that's how things can happen at the same time in a strange way. Like, you hit a tuning fork, another one starts vibrating.
2:32:47Right? And so this is when things get nuts.
2:32:51And I can't fully put this together, but this will help your your concept. So Schumann resonance of the Earth is, like, 7.3 hertz.
2:32:58So that means the Earth itself, when lightning strikes it, makes a sound that's just below our hearing ability. Like, the lowest note on a piano is, like, 20 hertz. It's, like, seven.
2:33:07It's, like, close, and then there's harmonics. So the earth has a frequency, and then you look at the harmonics to it. Alright?
2:33:14Then you look at the frequency of light, and this is why the photon fucks with me, why I'm like, I I get so pissed off about Einstein. But, like like, red is 44 octaves above.
2:33:24Right? So just think about that and just let your mind kinda hang with that. And I can't I can't, like, really hammer that down, but, like, the frequency of the color of red is just so high that you can't hear it, but you can conceive of it.
2:33:40Like, every octave doubles the frequency. So let let's say this c is 20. The next one's forty, eighty, one sixty, three twenty.
2:33:47It's all, like, exponential every octave. And so you can octave up higher and higher and higher until you get into a frequency of color spectrum. You know, you have radio waves, infrared waves, you know, then you have visible light spectrum, all that.
2:34:02And then you get into shape, where, like, a certain frequency with different overtones has that amount of sides of a shape, and it, like, dances a bit, and it looks like a star.
2:34:12And that's where I'm at right now. And I'm like, the bible says that that, you know, that Lucifer was, like, the conductor of the choir of the angel. And you start looking at the the stars, and you're like, it it looks like almost like a song, and then people accuse me of autism.
2:34:26But I get it. It's like because they haven't explained matter to me properly.
2:34:30They also don't show what stars actually look like. Like, they look like this. Right?
2:34:35Like, they're kinda in and out? Dude, they they dance, and they're geometric
2:34:38cathedrals all look kinda like star shapes, but, like, stars, like, move. They look like light in water, and they look like cymatics when you put sound on, like, a a plate with sand.
2:34:51It'll start making shapes. And those shapes are the exact shapes of these cathedrals that, like, are using sound is when shit gets nuts.
2:34:59Okay. So there didn't used to be clocks the way we think. Every single city or town had a direct noon, and, like, every foot has a different noon.
2:35:09Like, 30 miles away is a different noon. And so they would tune the bells to that exact noon, and then all the bells of the day, you wake up, you go to work, this bell it it it wasn't even about the hour.
2:35:21It was about the sound. And the cathedrals would try to match the geometry of the sound of the bell. And think about the harmonics of a civilization that's like the morality, the geometry, the sound, and the culture is all in harmony.
2:35:38Right? And that's like and then we register that as beautiful because beautiful sound is harmonic. Dissonant is ugly.
2:35:44Right? Like, Obama's library is oh, you just are like, that's ugly. Like, modern architecture is ugly.
2:35:49Why? Because it's dissonant. Like, in music, a third, a fifth, an octave, it feels good.
2:35:55Canon d, Amazing Grace. And then you have these, like, intense jazz sounds because the waves are hitting each other in a way where they're, like, fucked up.
2:36:03It's like a a shape that doesn't work properly. It's not a honeycomb. You know?
2:36:06And so light, matter, and sound are all completely related.
2:36:11When you think about frequencies in light and sound, like,
2:36:15what do you make of dreams? Do blind people dream? Great.
2:36:18Oh my god, dude. I don't that's the thing lately. I don't know what dreams are, man.
2:36:22Because every morning, ask my kids what like, we always talk about our dreams, and some my kids have these elaborate dreams. And sometime I don't dream. Sometimes I dream, and they're, like, fragmented.
2:36:32I'm like, where do we go, man? Like, I it's like I have some of those profound combos with my kids. Like, they'll dream about stuff that they haven't seen.
2:36:41You know? And I'm like, what is it? I I don't have the answer, but it's super we don't know why we sleep.
2:36:48Right. But we, like, definitely have to or we go totally nuts. Like, where do we go?
2:36:53You know?
2:36:54Yeah. That that dream thing has always interested me because it's like, how are we producing like, as you see in your dreams, it's like, how are we producing light?
2:37:03Right. Sense? The whole blind because then how does the blind person communicate to us?
2:37:06Where did those frequencies come from? Right. Exactly.
2:37:09But, like, how could a blind person be like, they had a red dress? Like, what if they see light in the dream but don't know how to communicate it because they don't see in this? Like, then the communication thing is, like, how could you describe what you saw in your dream?
2:37:24But this is why I say there's no bad words. You see where I'm at with the bad like, you can't say jab? Like, to me, that's like a b flat oct you know, it's like an octagon.
2:37:33Like, it's like how it no. It's a it's a song. You know?
2:37:37And then a lot of spells are about the nature of the flow of this. That's like like limericks and rhymes and rap and poetry and trance music and all this. Dude, it's it's like it puts you in a harmonic state, and one way that they do it is this a beautiful song with real fucked up lyrics.
2:37:53Because you emotionally are like, this is good. It feels like a a cathedral symmetry, and the words are, like, horrifying.
2:38:01But then that gets past a gate, And then you start internalizing that, and you think the world's nihilistic and hellish. You know? Like, Hallelujah by like, the the the music is unbelievable, and the words have a lot of despair.
2:38:16And I always because I love that song, but, like, the lyrics are all about despair and hopelessness. Like, the the one written by the Grabber there, the Cohen one, not like the other one.
2:38:26It's a you know, it's like, it's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah, but you're like, this is beautiful. Beautiful.
2:38:32But the things he's saying is really strange. I feel like a lot of the best songs are like that, which is interesting. The music is what makes them the best song, and then the words and they're and but and he will say true things in them.
2:38:46So you resonate with it, but there's just this underlying sense of, like, ingratitude and hopelessness. Like, they're not grateful. Right.
2:38:53It's like the emotion being expressed too. Yeah. Yeah.
2:38:56Like, they're like, god needs to be corrected. That's the nature of cultures that I think feel a lot of despair is like, God is wrong. I must fix it versus, like, I'm just happy to be here.
2:39:07I'm learning as I go. You know?
2:39:10Do you think a lot about the subconscious? I know that's a word that really isn't even defined. But Totally.
2:39:16I don't have a natural internal monologue. People are like, but I can do it. Like, I can do it, but I don't naturally some people have a constant thing going where they're like, said the guy with you know, whatever.
2:39:29I'm usually not like, I don't have anything going, but then I can picture things and hear whatever I want, but it's, like, not just going.
2:39:38You know? If I say red apple, what do you think of? Red apple.
2:39:42But what does that mean? I can for me, it was a red delicious for some reason, and I saw, like, a flash of a red apple. Was it one that you've eaten or, like, iconography?
2:39:51Iconography.
2:39:52Yeah. I have an orchard, and it wasn't even that.
2:39:57That's an interesting one. That's a test I do want people to tell if they're autistic. What is that?
2:40:01Apparently,
2:40:02if you picture one that you've seen before, it's larger sign that you're autistic. Really? Probably some bullshit.
2:40:07But No. It's cool. I don't even know if autism is is like it's almost like a pejorative for people that are just, like, into details.
2:40:15Yeah. Like, sometimes people I, like, kinda jokingly will say we're autistic because we're just, like, trying to figure out what words mean, and we just, like, want the details. It's like a funny word, autistic.
2:40:25Right. Like, what does that mean on the spectrum? Like, isn't everyone by definition on a spectrum?
2:40:31And then they're like, see, that's autism. I'm like, how, though?
2:40:35That's just a fact. That's just testosterone. Yeah.
2:40:38Yeah. Yeah. It's like everybody's on a spectrum.
2:40:40That's the definition of a spectrum. I think that's why they hate Down syndrome people because I think they're angelic. Think thought about that.
2:40:49Yeah. Because it's like, why would you abort a Down syndrome? Because they're like, oh, yeah.
2:40:53We had to abort or, you we had to put him on the short bus. I'm like, dude, listen to that guy. He's always fucking crushing.
2:41:00Down syndrome people, it's like they can't really sell them on shit. They're like, but I got a spoon.
2:41:07You know, they're like, they have that nature of a child in a way that I find very inspiring. That
2:41:13is interesting. They seem to be the happiest people. They they they crush it.
2:41:17They're like, I don't trust that guy. A belt.
2:41:21You know, I I like I like vibe with that because it's like I just do bits about that, about how hard it is to get people happy. And then certain people that are mocked by society, why are they mocked by society? Because they don't need anything from them.
2:41:33That's an interesting one too about what you said about the internal monologue. Something I've noticed myself doing recently is trying to like not think. And I I maybe someone said this about retard maxing on the Internet, but I like retard maxing though.
2:41:45Think that if you don't think, it's just a sign that you're not anxious about anything. There's, like, nothing to solve. You you are just present.
2:41:52Yes. Yes.
2:41:53I try to retarget mags a lot. I try to stay present. Because people will be like, oh, that means you're not analytical.
2:41:58I'm like, no. I can. I just try not to because that takes me out of the moment.
2:42:02Right. It's like you're trying to disagree with something, you know, because you have to. And I'm thinking about something else that is definitely in a degraded form than whatever is definitely in front of me.
2:42:13Because I had a very intellectual father. So I I know what it's like to be around someone who's in the ivory tower in their mind all the time, and it's like, dude, you didn't fish with your kids, man.
2:42:23Like, that's, like, the best thing ever. You know? And so that's one thing that that that I try to watch out for is that the prison of the the intellect.
2:42:32You know?
2:42:33What's the one thing you wanna teach your kids before they grow up?
2:42:37Dude, that's a such an intense question.
2:42:44What do I wanna teach the kids before they grow up? I mean, that they're enough is always the go to.
2:42:55Dude, I hate to say it. I don't know, which is kind of a weird thing to admit as a father because you always wanna know, but, like, I don't know right now.
2:43:06Like, every day there's something I wanna teach them and guide them and all that stuff, but, like, the overall,
2:43:12I can't narrow it. I guess if they were sitting here twenty years from now, I'm still doing this. Yeah.
2:43:18And I said, what's one thing Owen taught you? What do you think they'd say?
2:43:23Alright, dude. I wanna talk about a dream. I once had a dream that I always remembered, and it makes no sense, but I find it very deep and and powerful and emotional.
2:43:31It was the and I don't know why, but it was a start of a book written by one of my sons in the future.
2:43:38And the only line I remember is my father was born a slave. And I was like, I just kept, like, thinking about that. I'm like, what does that imply?
2:43:48Right? Like, that he's he was no longer a slave. Right?
2:43:52And I just kept thinking about that. It's like, maybe right now would be that, like for the kids, it would be in a nice way, but I teach them about, like, the field of dreams.
2:44:03Like, you really can do what you are here, you know, which is a way of taking full accountability. You know, where it's like, this place has so many potentialities and, like, who you can love and what you can see in the future.
2:44:19And, like, I want them to be okay with having things, like, unfolding in front of them. You know?
2:44:24And I think the field of dreams metaphor is cool versus, like, it's all on you. I don't wanna put that on them right now. You know?
2:44:31Or it's like you know? Because they don't naturally externalize shit anyway, and I'd like, I don't tell them that there's a fake moon land or any of that shit. I I just say, what do you think it is?
2:44:40I don't wanna indoctrinate them in the other direction because I don't really know, and I don't want them to be, like, paranoid that the world's lying to them. I just want them to look at a commercial like, what is it trying to sell me? Like, what do I think the moon is?
2:44:51What can I what can I what do I feel? What does it look like to me now? I like to say I'm a two hill earther.
2:44:57I see two hills. Right? It's like, right now, what do you see?
2:45:02It's like, there's two hills. And that seems to be my way of doing it with the kids because I definitely don't wanna be like, yeah. And then they fucking shot Kennedy because it's silver and the fuck you know?
2:45:12Because that would just make it like, they're so pumped about life. Like, they like cops and shit because why why wouldn't you? It's like, oh, yeah.
2:45:19They try to keep order in society. You know? Because victim consciousness perpetuates.
2:45:23I had friends. I had, like, black friends in LA. I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
2:45:27They're like, when you grow up, if you get pulled over, they're gonna kill one of you. I'm like, statistically, no fucking chance.
2:45:36And now they're gonna act weird when they get pulled over. Mhmm. And then it's gonna start the whole cycle where it's like and then the cops gonna be like, why are you acting fucking weird?
2:45:44You got, like, something I versus, like, a lot of, like, quote unquote whites are like, oh, hey. I was actually trying to find the exit, and they're like, oh, no problem. Because I'm not afraid of them.
2:45:53So when you instill fear, like, statistically, the odds are zero that they will just be randomly killed by a cop. Right? And so I try to do that for my kids too because I could fucking lay all that shit on them, and I'm just like, no.
2:46:05It just it's crushed. Toilmax. I would just be like, it doesn't matter what your nose looks like.
2:46:12You don't have to chop off your nose. Just don't lie. Like, the fact Klaviko got a nose job is wild to me.
2:46:20It's like he's the only guy I know. It's it's like only Jewish women get nose job. I've never known a guy to ever get a nose job.
2:46:29Like, it's like, oh, I want a smaller nose. It's like, who gives a fuck?
2:46:33You breathe more oxygen. You just don't want it looking like Pinocchio.
2:46:37Yeah. It's a it's a weird one. I I know Braden.
2:46:41And Is he cool? Yeah. He's cool guy.
2:46:43Is he on that level of just, like, trolling Max? Yeah. Yeah.
2:46:46Is he kind of a genius? Yeah. He's he's definitely a genius.
2:46:50He he's the kind of guy that if you ask his IQ, he won't tell you. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
2:46:55But then also, like, if you can be a truth seeker and tell it because, like, hiding it is strategically better. Like, I was telling that to somebody. I'm like, I I if I was trying to fucking use it, I'd say it was, like, 90, and it's fun being in Arkansas.
2:47:08You know? Because then you have an advantage. Of course, I know the unfrozen caveman warrior.
2:47:12I'm just a caveman. You ever sat on SNL? I fell on ice.
2:47:16Your your world scares me. But what I do know is my client deserves 4,700,000,000,000 you know?
2:47:22Of course, but I don't care. You know? Like, I'm not trying to accumulate resources.
2:47:26I wanna fucking know what it is. So but if you're trying to be strategic, of course, like, yeah, dude, I don't resonate bad with that dude.
2:47:34I'm like, that was funny. I'm like, is he fucking a psychopath?
2:47:39I don't know. He's kinda genius. That's weird.
2:47:42That's funny. I don't have any negative feeling, though. I don't feel like he's a sadist or like a he seems like just, like, super autistic, the product of the algorithm world, and he's, like, winning at it.
2:47:55Oh, one last question here. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received?
2:48:02Vince Vaughn, make it count. Because it's like like our upbringing. Right?
2:48:06Nihilism, get sex, like, get money. No one ever told me to be a fucking dad, even my own dad.
2:48:12And so I'm touring with Vaughn in Hollywood. He's the only guy that was, like, mocking me for not having kids. And it, like every Father's Day, I thank him.
2:48:22He's like, baby, you gotta start making it count. You can't don't keep pulling out like a coward. You gotta fucking make you know?
2:48:27And I was dating Amy, my now wife, and I'm like, yeah. Why don't I do like, why am I constantly pulling out and you know?
2:48:35And, like, that was the best advice I've ever gotten was just, like, be fertile. Don't pull out.
2:48:43Don't pull out met metaphorically all over the world. Yeah. It's like, don't pull out.
2:48:46Right? Don't pull out. Be fertile and multiply.
2:48:50That's interesting. Say be fruitful and multiply. Don't be a free and blow guy at the end of streams because it's, like, it's funny, but it's, like it was the best advice I ever got.
2:48:58And some people might not want kids, and that's totally cool. I just, like, I just wanna pass it on because I, like it's weird it never clicked. Where it's like, yeah.
2:49:05Why? Like, I'm amassing some money and I like, some status and all this stuff.
2:49:11Like, why? Like, aren't I supposed to now start building, like, the family?
2:49:17And
2:49:18then I was like, man, that's cool. And so that was a that was great advice. Like, don't be a like, having a family and even though, like, prices are insane and kids, hell like, it it's not like that.
2:49:30Like, having kids broke, it, like, motivates you. Right. Like, dude, because I can't fail.
2:49:35Like, I easily could be, like, totally a failure right now. Having kids, I'm like, oh, no.
2:49:40The the boats have been burned. I have to succeed, and I'm way more successful from that. And I wanna see the youth just have massive families.
2:49:48I wanna see all that programming just fucking fail. You know? Just have these, like, big successful fan I see so much of that in the youth.
2:49:56A lot a lot of good things about the young culture where a lot of people are choosing these things. Like like, my grandparents lived these based lives, but they're probably, like, dreaming of hot tubs and shit. You know, like, young people right now are like, it's good, like, to grow this thing or to do this.
2:50:11Like, they're choosing it. A lot of our based ancestors fucking had to because they were broke. So some of the youth I'm actually inspired by, I'm like, they're just doing it, like, because it's right.
2:50:22What's the worst piece of advice you've ever received?
2:50:29The worst piece of advice I've ever received?
2:50:34Fuck. Because I'd have to believe it. Because I shrug off, like, endless bullshit.
2:50:41But, like, the word something that I've internalized oh, man. There's there's big concepts, but I don't remember a single, like, piece of advice where I like, the keep pulling out?
2:50:58I don't know. It's just shit. Like, I like, the the idea I I got nothing, man.
2:51:04What what's your what's yours? What's the worst piece of advice you ever got? Oh, man.
2:51:12It's a cop out answer, but it's like most advice. Just most everything you hear, I don't think that people can actually receive
2:51:22advice. I think it has to you have to put it together yourself. You know what I mean?
2:51:26Yeah. And a lot of people, even if they mean well, they're just basically talking of an image of themself.
2:51:32Or they're just like, you need to be blah blah blah, but, like, they're not trying to look through your eyes at all. You know? Where you're like, well, imagine me doing that.
2:51:40Like, what would that be like for me? You know? Because sometimes people are like, you can't be so abrasive with people.
2:51:46I'm like, well, you know, I am a comedian whose job is to make jokes about people. Like, how do I do that functionally? Like, logistically, how do I not offend some people when the nature of my job is literally to do that?
2:51:59That's why a lot of times, like, this podcast, people be like, man, you come across really cool. I'm like, this is me. When you do a joke, you're supposed to get the thing.
2:52:08You know? It's like telling a mechanic. It's like, just don't have, like, grease on your hands.
2:52:13It's like, how would I do that?
2:52:14I had to ask you about, fuck, your Wikipedia page. Have you read your Wikipedia page?
2:52:21Yeah. It changes constantly.
2:52:24I could write a book on on just how it's changed. Because they would post stuff that they thought was because it's all about, uh, wandering, uh, slander. Right?
2:52:34Yeah. So it's like according to, like, nonsense, nonsense, and then out of context, slander people. And they kept posting things that it would either come true or obviously be funny.
2:52:43So then they would have to post stuff that wasn't funny, and now they say I'm, like, part Jew because the whole world shifted, and now that's the thing to discredit me.
2:52:53Isn't that fascinating? My dad's mom's dad, we think, is a Jew. And they're like, wow.
2:52:59He's admitted to Czech heritage of Jew. Because now because they're, like, robots. They're empty vessels.
2:53:04They're like, if you say he's a Jew, people won't like him as much now because everything's shifted. Has that affected your life? Like, how how does it affect your life?
2:53:12Well, Wikipedia. Read your Wikipedia, it's like, Owen Benjamin is a conspiracy theorist, anti Semi
2:53:18racist. It it said something along those lines. Like, every single label Dude,
2:53:22you're gonna laugh at this. The funniest thing is the only problem I've ever had is sometimes it draws the wrong people where I have to explain, like, no.
2:53:31No. I'm not your guy. Like, I'm not the white guy.
2:53:34Like so, like, finally, brother. I'm like because then they get mad at me.
2:53:39They're like, you just made fun of them. See, I'm like, I make fun of fucking everybody. I'm a comedian.
2:53:43They're framing me this way. You know? It's like, yeah.
2:53:46I'll admit that, like, I don't consider conspiracy theorist an insult or, like, anti Semite, I think, is nonsense. You point out central banking, you're full of it. Like, obviously.
2:53:54But I'm also not, like, the super identitarian, like, we built the cathedrals guy.
2:53:59I'm like, no. You can help me build stairs. And so that's the only pushback I've had.
2:54:03A lot of cancellations. They'd send that to any theater, and they'd use that as a laundry like, way to wander me. But most people find it awesome.
2:54:10They're like, dude, based. That's hilarious. Used to be like, did you write that?
2:54:15And I'm like, no. I'm trying to get it fucking deleted. And they're like, it makes you sound awesome.
2:54:20Do you suspect anyone was a time traveler?
2:54:24I'm actually in the podcast here, but I I think okay. I only I'm in the spirit realm of, like like, in that realm.
2:54:33I don't think people's bodies go into something and travel time, but I think that people may be able to, like like, be outside of linear time in a different realm. But I don't understand how it works, but I I'm open to that possibility.
2:54:46What OCD is. You're talking to yourself in the future. I know.
2:54:50Who knows? But, Owen, where can people find you, and where can people buy your book? Well, the good news about being kicked off of anything everything is I had to build my own shit.
2:54:58So ladle that TV. It's nine dollars and eleven cents a month so you never forget. And it's everything I've ever made there, like, everything on my own servers, all that shit, which is great because they backed me into a corner to be productive.
2:55:11And then how to slay a wizard on Amazon. It's right now number one in in Rhetoric, which is the wizard category. And then owenbenjamin.com for everything else and yeah.
2:55:23Just wherever. And just make sure you like and share this this page because I love all your shit, man. It's really good.
2:55:28I appreciate that, man. You're, like, genuinely interested in people, and that's oddly rare in this line of work, and so keep crushing. I've heard that a little bit.
2:55:37Yeah. No. You seem like and Tucker's like that too.
2:55:39It's like you wanna actually know shit. That's my favorite thing about him, like, watching his interviews. Some, like You're like, I wanna know, and then it draws it out of the person versus some people are just always monologuing, you know, which is fine, but just do a monologue job.
2:55:53You know? Right.
2:55:54Well, everyone, this has been your guest, Owen Benjamin.
2:55:57This is the Jack Neil podcast. Thanks for having me, Jack. I appreciate you coming on, brother.
2:56:01That was fun. That a good one.
The Hook

The bait, then the rug-pull.

The cold open stacks the bait fast: 'the most canceled man in comedy,' a son of two professors who started at Renaissance fairs taking tomatoes to the face, and a single 2017 tweet that ended a career built on Adam Sandler movies and a primetime sitcom. Owen Benjamin's promise, delivered flatly: 'I could end billion-dollar propaganda campaigns with one sentence, and that really pissed people off.' What follows is three hours on the 'word magic' he says powerful people use to keep you trapped.

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