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Breaking free from bad habits requires making unconscious patterns conscious through physical disruption and visual reminders, then prioritizing your future self through daily behavioral choices rather than relying on motivation or willpower alone.
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- You're stuck in a cycle of failure, shame, or self-blame and you want concrete exercises to rewire how you narrate your past instead of motivating yourself harder.
- A person recovering from addiction or compulsive behavior who needs to understand the dopamine-belief connection and has time to work through written frameworks with pen and paper.
- You've tried positive affirmations or willpower-based habit change and it hasn't worked—you're ready to dig into the unconscious beliefs driving your behavior.
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- You're looking for quick tactical tips or a 10-minute breakdown. This is a 110-minute deep-dive into belief systems and requires working through exercises with paper.
- You're already experienced with cognitive reframing, Internal Family Systems, or belief-work modalities—this covers intro-to-intermediate-level frameworks you likely know.
- You're dealing with clinical-level mental health conditions like severe depression or personality disorders. This addresses everyday habit loops, not trauma or psychiatric intervention.
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Bad habits and the identity of failure both stem from the same root: perspective and priority — not complexity. The narrator running your inner monologue is the lever that controls both, and you choose what that narrator highlights. Chase Hughes delivers a dozen named frameworks for making this concrete: the dopamine map for tracing what the nervous system rewards, the childhood development triangle for locating where self-concept formed, F.A.T.E. as a decision filter, and education-not-resistance for working with unconscious patterns rather than against them. The through-line is moving from symptoms to causes using paper-and-pen exercises that drag unconscious drivers into conscious awareness. Delusional self-forgiveness about the past plus radical honesty about present habits is the required starting condition for any durable behavioral shift.
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00:00hostDoug Bopst
00:00guestChase Hughes
Where the time goes.
00:00 – 05:05
01 · Bounce back without becoming the failure
Chase opens with his core thesis — perspective and priority. Introduces 'the narrator' that runs in your head and the case for 'delusional self-forgiveness' as step one. Sub-thread: dissect limiting beliefs by making them extreme and printing them as your desktop wallpaper.
05:05 – 10:14
02 · Symptoms vs causes goal-setting
Most people set symptoms (millionaire by 25, yacht at 23) and call them goals. The actual goals are the daily causes that produce those symptoms. Bridges into a definition of grounded progress.
10:14 – 16:20
03 · The dopamine map + pleasure is not happiness
Chase walks Doug through the paper exercise: draw a basketball-court line, list every dopamine source with a point value out of 100, then list where good dopamine should come from. Pleasure fades on contact; oxytocin/serotonin linger. Tells the psychopath-conversation diagnostic.
16:20 – 20:00
04 · Grand Canyon as anti-dopamine
Mindfulness as the practiced act of dragging the mammal brain into the present. Doug's helicopter trip to the Grand Canyon as the worked example: thrill + serenity + scale-of-self all in one experience.
20:00 – 24:04
05 · The childhood development triangle
At age 8 you developed three coping patterns: how to earn friends, how to feel safe, how to earn rewards. For 99% of adults those same patterns now drive conflict, fear of stepping out, and fear of loss. Drag the file out of the cabinet.
24:04 – 27:52
06 · What actually rewires the brain
Hypnosis, CBT, psychedelics, coaching ranked by speed-of-result. Chase's claim: psilocybin delivers in 4 hours what 6-9 years of conventional therapy does. Worth flagging as his claim, not consensus.
27:52 – 33:00
07 · F.A.T.E. — leading the mammalian brain
Focus, Authority, Tribe, Emotion. The four levers Cesar Millan-style for steering your own mammal brain. Vision boards, calendar X's, tribe choice — all of it has to land on the mammal, not the human.
33:00 – 38:20
08 · Discipline is finite — everything else is routine
The big reframe: that gym-every-day person isn't disciplined, they're routined. Discipline was spent once, at habit-start. So start ONE habit at a time. Chase's framework for getting out of the procrastination loop.
38:20 – 44:00
09 · Radical honesty as self-knowledge entry point
Naming the awkward thing out loud in conversation. Saying you're nervous when you're nervous. Locating yourself on the childhood triangle is the fastest unlock for the rest of the self-knowledge stack.
44:00 – 49:00
10 · Motivation is mostly neurochemistry
The vitamin D / zinc / norepinephrine reframe: most 'mindset' problems are physiological problems people are trying to think their way out of. Order the bloodwork before you order the journal.
49:00 – 55:40
11 · Why Chase quit drinking 39 days ago
Education, not resistance. His sister Holly's line: 'It's not about resistance. It's about education.' Flooding the brain with enough truth about alcohol until the decision becomes a byproduct of awareness.
55:40 – 1:02:00
12 · Hand-to-mouth addictions + psychedelics + ketamine
~90% of addictions are hand-to-mouth gestures. Replace the gesture before fighting the substance. Microdose ketamine trochees getting more prescriber-friendly. Psilocybin as anti-addictive.
1:02:00 – 1:08:20
13 · Neurogenic tremors (TRE) — Dr. David Berceli
Mammals shake off trauma physically. Humans suppress it because shaking looks like a seizure. Berceli's tremor work as a no-drug nervous-system reset.
1:08:20 – 1:16:40
14 · The simulation — modern life as engineered stuckness
Reframe: it's not you, it's the environment. Social media, instant gratification, pacify-distract-sedate as a deliberate psyop pattern. The escape is making the unconscious conscious.
1:16:40 – 1:25:00
15 · Identifying victim mindset
How to spot it in yourself, why people use their past to justify present behavior, the commodity of the sob story, and the perspective shift that breaks it.
1:25:00 – 1:35:00
16 · Future-self relationship
The 95-year-old selfie. Print it. Put it on the fridge. The mammal brain doesn't speak in affirmations — it speaks in images. Two versions: who you want to become AND who you don't want to become (toothless, obese, 90).
1:35:00 – 1:43:20
17 · Making the unconscious conscious
The poster-board exercise. Sharpie your screen-time on a wall every day. Force the unconscious behavior into conscious awareness. The fastest path to behavior change Chase has ever found.
1:43:20 – 1:50:37
18 · The psyop pattern + how it ends
If Chase were running a psyop against a population, step one is pacify-distract-sedate so all the negative behavior happens unconsciously. Step two is normalize it by showing lots of people doing it. The exit is the inverse: make it conscious, see clearly that 99% of people aren't aware they're in it.
Lines worth screenshotting.
- We all have a narrator that narrates our life — and we choose what that narrator highlights and focuses on.
- All personal development problems reduce to two variables: perspective and priority — the solution doesn't need to be complex just because the problem feels complex.
- Saying 'I am a failure and I know this won't work in the future' borders on narcissism — it claims certainty about your identity and the future simultaneously.
- Being delusionally self-forgiving is not weakness; it is the mandatory first step to changing the narrator that drives your behavior.
- Symptoms and causes are not the same thing — treating anxiety with avoidance addresses the symptom while the cause compounds underneath.
- The F.A.T.E. framework turns vague self-awareness into a concrete paper-and-pen exercise that drags unconscious patterns into visible territory.
- The childhood development triangle shows that behavior patterns formed before age 8 are still running most adults' decision-making without their awareness.
- Social media and addictive substances create a false dopamine baseline that makes real life feel flat — which is why positive momentum in recovery doesn't feel good enough to sustain itself at first.
- The dopamine map reveals which activities are draining versus restoring your motivation budget — most people run on empty without realizing it because they've never mapped the flows.
- People have complex issues but that doesn't mean the solution has to be complex — resistance to simple solutions is itself a symptom worth examining.
Habits Are Symptoms — Fix the Neurochemistry, Then the Routine
Behavior change framework
Chase Hughes shows that most habits are downstream effects of childhood coping patterns, neurochemical imbalances, and misdirected dopamine — and that paper-and-pen exercises can drag these unconscious drivers into the light.
01Bounce back without becoming the failure
- Perspective and priority are the two levers — delusional self-forgiveness is step one, not step five
- The narrator running in your head is the target — making limiting beliefs extreme and printing them as a desktop wallpaper is the externalization technique
02Symptoms vs causes goal-setting
- Symptoms — yacht, millionaire — are outcomes; causes — daily actions — are the actual goals
- Setting symptoms as goals removes the feedback loop that would tell you whether you are on track
03The dopamine map + pleasure is not happiness
- Paper exercise: list every dopamine source scored out of 100, then list where good dopamine should come from — the gap between the two lists is the diagnosis
- Pleasure fades on contact; oxytocin and serotonin linger — the neurochemistry of lasting satisfaction is different from the neurochemistry of immediate pleasure
05The childhood development triangle
- Three coping patterns formed around age 8: how to earn friends, how to feel safe, how to earn rewards
- Those same patterns now run adult behavior — dragging the file out of the cabinet is the work
07F.A.T.E. — leading the mammalian brain
- Focus, Authority, Tribe, Emotion — four levers for steering your own mammalian brain toward the behavior you want
- Vision boards, calendar streaks, and tribe choice all have to land on the mammal brain, not the analytical mind, to produce lasting change
08Discipline is finite — everything else is routine
- The person who goes to the gym every day is not disciplined — they are routined — discipline was spent once when the habit started
- Start one habit at a time — the procrastination loop compounds when you try to restructure multiple patterns simultaneously
10Motivation is mostly neurochemistry
- Most mindset problems are physiological — check vitamin D, zinc, and norepinephrine levels before trying to think your way through a motivation problem
- Ordering the blood work before the journal is the sequence that produces results
Terms worth knowing.
- Cognitive dissonance
- The mental discomfort of holding two conflicting beliefs or of acting in a way that contradicts your self-image, often making behavior change feel exhausting.
- Dopamine map
- A paper exercise where you list every source of pleasure in your life on one side and assign each a point value out of 100, then chart where dopamine should be coming from, to expose imbalances between healthy and unhealthy sources.
- Oxytocin
- A neurochemical released during bonding, physical touch, and meaningful conversation that produces a warm, lingering feeling rather than the sharp spike-and-crash pattern of dopamine.
- Serotonin
- A neurochemical tied to mood stability and contentment that, like oxytocin, supports sustained well-being rather than the quick highs associated with dopamine.
- Childhood development triangle
- A framework that traces adult behavior to three patterns formed around age eight: what you did to earn friends, to feel safe, and to get rewards, plus what you avoided to keep each one.
- Cognitive behavioral therapy
- A talk-therapy method that works over time to identify and reframe distorted thoughts and behaviors, with a high success rate when practiced consistently for years.
- Psilocybin
- The psychoactive compound in certain mushrooms used in guided psychedelic therapy, shown in research to produce results comparable to years of traditional therapy in a single session.
- Microdose ketamine
- A small prescribed dose of ketamine, typically a 25mg lozenge dissolved under the tongue, used under medical supervision to treat anxiety, depression, PTSD, and addiction.
- F.A.T.E.
- A four-part framework for leading the mammalian brain: Focus, Authority, Tribe, and Emotion. The idea is that affirmations alone fail because the animal part of the brain responds to environmental cues, not language.
- Mammalian brain
- Shorthand for the limbic system, the older animal part of the brain that governs most decisions through emotion and pattern recognition rather than language or logic.
- Locus of control
- A psychology term for where a person believes outcomes come from. An internal locus means you see yourself as the cause; an external locus means you see the world as acting on you.
- Locus of self-esteem
- An extension of locus of control applied to self-worth, distinguishing whether your sense of value is generated internally or sourced from outside feedback like comments and metrics.
- Maslow's hierarchy of needs
- A psychology model that stacks human needs in a pyramid: survival at the base, then safety, love and belonging, esteem, and self-actualization at the top.
- Posturing vs collapse
- Two failure modes when trying to project confidence: posturing means puffing up and overdoing it, while collapse means shrinking to make others comfortable. Composure is the middle state.
- Neurogenic tremors
- An involuntary shaking response built into the mammalian nervous system that discharges trauma. Most animals do this naturally after a threat; humans suppress it because it looks socially abnormal.
- Trauma release exercises
- A free protocol developed by David Berceli that uses stress positions to invite the body into neurogenic tremors, allowing the nervous system to discharge stored trauma without conscious effort.
- Delirium tremens
- A severe form of alcohol withdrawal involving micro-seizures and other dangerous neurological symptoms that can occur when someone stops drinking after heavy long-term use.
- Reticular activating system
- A brain network that filters what you notice and consider important. It explains why you suddenly see a car everywhere after buying that model — your awareness is now flagging it.
- Pacify, distract, sedate
- A three-step pattern for keeping a person or population stuck: calm them down, divert their attention, then numb them with anesthetic-quality stimuli like porn, video games, and binge content.
- Psyop
- Short for psychological operation, a coordinated effort to shape beliefs and behavior through media, repetition, and engineered consensus. Used here in the civilian sense, not the military one.
Things they pointed at.
21:35toolThe Childhood Development Triangle quiz
34:10toolChase Hughes' free 6-7hr class on reading people
52:40toolDr. David Berceli — TRE (Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises)
24:40toolPsilocybin / psychedelic-assisted therapy research
50:50productMicrodose ketamine trochees (prescription)
33:10channelCesar Millan (as analogy for leading the mammalian brain)
09:00bookOprah's autobiography (as proof-of-overcoming reference)
Lines you could clip.
00:46
“All these problems are perspective and priority. That's it.”
02:07
“We need to be delusionally self-forgiving.”
06:59
“Most people are setting symptoms instead of goals. What we want to set are the causes.”
11:00
“Confusing pleasure and happiness is the number one way to ruin your life.”
31:00
“That guy who goes to the gym every day, none of that is discipline. It's routine. The discipline was there when the habit was started only.”
35:20
“Discipline is a finite resource. So let's start one habit at a time.”
44:00
“We tend to assume a lot of psychological symptoms are psychologically rooted, when in fact it's a physiological deficit causing the psychological symptom.”
46:20
“It's not about resistance. It's about education.”
50:00
“About 90% of addictions are hand-to-mouth addictions.”
1:24:10
“Most people don't prioritize our future selves because we have no ability to visualize them.”
1:47:30
“If I'm running a psyop against a country of any size, the first thing I want you to do is pacify, distract, sedate.”
01:40
“People have very complex issues in their life, but that doesn't mean the solution has to be complex.”
Where the conversation goes.
00:00 – 05:05denseself-narrative & identity
05:05 – 10:14densegoal-setting psychology
10:14 – 16:20densedopamine & reward systems
16:20 – 20:00steadymindfulness & presence
20:00 – 24:04densechildhood patterning
24:04 – 27:52densetherapy modalities & psychedelics
27:52 – 38:20densebehavior change frameworks
38:20 – 44:00steadyself-knowledge & radical honesty
44:00 – 49:00densephysiological vs psychological
49:00 – 1:02:00denseaddiction & sobriety
1:02:00 – 1:08:20densetrauma & nervous system
1:08:20 – 1:25:00steadythe simulation / environment
1:25:00 – 1:35:00densefuture-self visualization
1:35:00 – 1:50:37densemaking unconscious conscious
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00:00How can people effectively bounce back after failing so that they don't fall into that trap that so many of us do and that you create this identity that you're act that you are a failure?
00:14Yeah. This is great. Uh, so the the first thing is we have to realize that we all have a .
00:25The second thing is we choose what that narrator highlights and focuses on. So that narrator is gonna dictate what we think and how we view our life and all of that. But it it a lot of this narrator is also about perspective.
00:40So, like, all these problems that we've talked about so far are perspective and priority. That's it. Perspective and priority.
00:49And it it sucks to to have this problem throughout our life and then, like, oh, this this one little shift can change this thing I've been dealing with. So we we have some mental resistance to that.
01:00Like, why would something so simple solve this big complex thing? And I realized that people have very complex issues in their life, but this that doesn't mean the solution has to be complex.
01:12So number one, the narrator is there. And number two, you can remind yourself or anybody going through this, remind yourself that going off of these details, saying that I am a failure, and then I know that this won't happen in the future for me, uh, that's you're we're starting to border on narcissism because we're saying I pick to the right perspective.
01:39I know how I know every detail of the story, and I know what to focus on, and I can predict the future. Uh, so we're starting to get into this little narcissistic self referential bubble of I know what the future holds.
01:53So number one, change the narrator. And number two, anything that's happened in your past, um, unless you're some weird psychopath or something, We people need to be delusionally delusionally self forgiving.
02:13And and that is the biggest step one to start changing the narrator. Narrator.
02:18It's tough, man. And it's tough because, I mean, I just speak from my own personal experience of, like, the with with the the toughest part about it is the cognitive dissonance that exists where you are trying to change the narrative.
02:33And because you you're so far back in life or you think you're so far back in life, like, what's in front of you just doesn't match the narrative you're trying to change. And then the idea of creating like, the the positive momentum you are creating doesn't feel good enough because, you know, you're paying attention to social media or you're, like, addicted to you were addicted to substances which create this false sense of dopamine.
02:58Like, how can people, you know, start to feel good again and make life kind of exciting for where they're at even though they still have a lot to learn and a long way to go on their journey?
03:11Yeah. I think just dissecting some of those beliefs is the biggest way to do that.
03:18And dissecting it meaning, like, is this objective or subjective? Am I really buried in this? And then, uh, one of the things I've I've done with a lot of my clients is take one of those beliefs.
03:31So let's say we've got somebody that says, I am a failure. So that means I'm not I can't be successful or I can't do this thing.
03:39I can't have this stuff in my life. Then we'll make a giant meme, like, with beautiful mountains on it, and we'll put the text on the screen, like, uh, you have to be perfect in order to be successful, which is ridiculous, stupid.
03:56But we see the stupid idea on a regular basis, and we bring it into conscious awareness so we realize how stupid some of this internal dialogue is. So we made it like this his desktop wallpaper, this big photo of mountains, and then we put on there, uh, I think this guy that I'm referring to right now, he had some, uh, money psychology stuff.
04:19But his limiting belief was like, I can't make money or I feel guilty if I make money, and then I can't make a lot of money because that means I'm a bad person because I'm not donating it. So we made we took his limiting belief and made it extreme. So we wanna exaggerate that.
04:36So we took his limiting belief, and I think, uh, what he put on his desktop wallpaper was my kids don't deserve money. Because I I told him, at the end of the day, that's really what you're saying. And and if somebody thinks they're a failure, it's my kids and the people that I lead don't deserve, uh, me at my best.
04:58They need me to think that I'm a failure. Or I might put on the wallpaper, if I think I'm a failure, that means I'm a good person.
05:07Just to kinda bring that into conscious awareness as fast as we can and and show ourselves how absurd and ridiculous some of this stuff is. And I think at the end of the day, you watch somebody go through a psychedelic journey, some spiritual revelation happens in their life, they lose their loved one, and everything in their life changes.
05:24The first big thing that happens is all the that I thought was a really big deal is not a big deal anymore. Everything that I thought was a huge deal is no longer a big deal. And this is no matter what kind of huge awakening someone has, that's step one to all of these awakenings is everything I thought was a big deal ain't a big deal.
05:46Shifting gears a little bit, but kind of building off of the the failure conversation is I think people I think it helps for people to have goals in life.
05:57And, like, we talked about this forward thinking approach. I also think, again, this quote, unquote simulation that people live in, it's easy to get sucked into these insanely unrealistic goals.
06:08Like, I wanna be a millionaire by the time I'm 25. Is it possible? Sure.
06:11But is it likely? No. Like, all these insanely unrealistic goals that either, a, defeat people in their tracks because they're like, how the hell am I gonna get there?
06:23B, they end up doing, like, horrific things to get there because they want they're they care more about the goal than the journey, and, c, they end up falling flat on their face, like, midway through because they've realized, like, oh, like, life doesn't work this way.
06:42How do you how do you think about goal setting, and how can people effectively do so? Yeah. Or they get the million and they're still depressed, and they're like, wait.
06:49That too. That there's the oh, yeah. Exactly.
06:52I'm logging in. I'm looking at my bank account, and I still feel like
06:56so any of those goals, I would I would say for everybody, and I've studied human motivation for a while. I don't think I'm a goal setting expert, but I would definitely say that making being a million what what was the goal?
07:12Having a million dollar for a town of 25. That is a that is a thing. Right?
07:18So that is a symptom of something. Owning a yacht when I'm 23 is a symptom of having done something with my life. So when people are setting goals, what they're typically setting are symptoms.
07:34These are the symptoms that I wanna have, but what they're not setting are the cause of those symptoms. So, like, being a millionaire by the time you're 45, to do that, for that to be a byproduct, what would I have to do with my life?
07:49So for all of our goals, we have to go back and say, how do I make my goal, this little shallow goal that I have on the top here, how do I make that a byproduct of how I live my life? So that's how we have to set goals. So most people are setting symptoms instead of goals.
08:05What we wanna set are the causes. How can I cause that million dollars to be in my bank account?
08:10So that means I have to wake up at a certain time. That means I have to do this and this and this. Those should be the goals.
08:16The byproduct should be the million dollars by by the time you're 25. How do people stay grounded,
08:22like, in the process when, um, when they're when things aren't happening immediately for them, like, and when they're doing all the right things and yet success isn't right in front of them? Like, how can people kind of course correct their mind?
08:36I think that the reason that we're we're like, oh, I'm not getting success that I want is that we're we're seeking and I I'm just gonna go back to this.
08:47We're seeking we're we're defining success as symptoms
08:52Right.
08:52Instead of causes. So if I work on these causes hard enough, that that my lack of success is a lack of me kind of working and getting to the place I need to be. 100, the world's not fair, Never will be.
09:04We just gotta get over that. It and that sucks. But, like, if you read the autobiography of, like, Oprah and, like, read how Oprah was born in her early years, most people's life doesn't even compare to that level of horror and nasty upbringing and unfairness.
09:26So that should delete all of your excuses. Like, there are for everything that anybody would say that they've been through, there are a 100 successful people who've been through way worse, uh, than than you have.
09:38So it's definitely out there. But my my vision of success should not be a symptom. It should be a con.
09:47So am I am I following all these things? Then, yes, then that's that I'm achieving my goals.
09:53So my actual goals are just these behaviors and habits that I need in order for that million dollars to be there. I know we talked in our last conversation about dopamine and how people get have an unhealthy relationship with dopamine. I'd like to kinda revisit that because I don't think, you know, I don't think things have gotten better with that for people, and maybe there's people who didn't listen to our first conversation.
10:15Like, why do you think or how can people have a better relationship with dopamine so that they can, you know, maintain this real sense of joy and fulfillment about life?
10:26Yeah. So the first is to figure out where where we're getting dopamine from.
10:32And the way to do this is you take a, like, a regular sheet of printer paper. I was looking around to see if I have something here. But you draw a line down the middle, a little circle on that line, so you kinda make it look like a .
10:48And on the left side of the page, you write down everything that you're getting dopamine from in your life, everything that you're getting pleasure from. And confusing pleasure and happiness is the number one way to ruin your life.
11:02Pleasure and happiness are not the same. They're not even they don't even touch each other at all. So where am I getting deriving this dopamine pleasure seeking behavior from?
11:12Maybe it's chocolate or cheesecake. Maybe it's, uh, watching porn, or maybe it's, uh, doing drugs or alcohol or, you know, fill in the blank.
11:22All these things that I'm getting it from. And that's the time, to be honest, that I'm also getting it from Twitter or Instagram or Facebook.
11:30I'm getting dopamine hits all right there. So I'm I'm gonna draw out a map of where all that dopamine is, and then I'm gonna assign a point value.
11:38Let's say I'm limited to a 100 points, and I'm gonna assign a point value to each one of those. And then on the right side, where is all the places I'm getting good dopamine from?
11:50And the our number one source of dopamine should be x and y and z. So it's different for everybody. It should be us.
11:58Right? It should be me. It should be if I'm really setting myself up for success and I wake up, I wanna wake up at 4AM, the moment that I wake up, I feel fantastic because the nighttime version of me took the multivitamin, took the magnesium, uh, went to bed on time, drank a full glass of water, fill in the blank, all of these things to make me present day feel fantastic.
12:22But if I if I have all these negative things down this one side of the sheet and I go over here and I'm writing stuff like doing my course assignments in college or spending time with my kids or doing all the things that that I want to get dopamine from. And let's say I gave my kids are getting eight points, and Twitter is getting 39.
12:43You're starting to see this imbalance. So we're it's again, we're taking something unconscious and putting it into conscious awareness. So the way to know whether or not you're getting dopamine out of something is if it feels good or captures all of your attention during that moment, and then it you it doesn't feel good later.
13:05So I I taught a force once on how to tell if you're in a conversation with a psychopath. We and, of course, you can't I mean, this it's hard, but we went through this big checklist. But one of the big ones on there was if you feel fantastic during the conversation.
13:21Everything feels great, and then you you stop the conversation, and all of it just drops off.
13:27That is a person who's trained for or mentally trained themselves to trigger all of your dopamine hit points. And so you didn't a conversation that feels good afterwards is more rooted in oxytocin and and serotonin. So if I'm doing something in my life and it the great feeling of it doesn't kind of fade off gently over time, probably dopamine, which is what we do with social media and all that.
13:53So really identify the sources of dopamine, and I'm willing to bet that most people drew out a map of where it's coming from, and here's all the good things that I get dopamine from. Where it's coming from is probably not going to be
14:08the right amount, and we wanna change we we don't wanna tip those scales for sure. Yeah. I think once people can understand what dopamine is, I think their life will dramatically change.
14:18I mean, it really shifted for me, um, understanding more about, like, addiction, you know, and how certain substances just completely hijacked the brain.
14:27And I think I've talked about this on the show before, but, you know, one of the greatest, um, descriptions of, like, how your reward system is hijacked was when I was I was sitting in a therapist's office who I think I believe he was, like, an addiction therapist or psychiatrist, but in any event, he he said to me, he said, you know, when you're not an addict, like, thinking about something like the the Grand Canyon is, like, a 10 out of 10 pleasurable experience.
14:58And he's like, what happens is you start to do some coke, and then you get this influx of artificial dopamine. Now the coke starts to go from, like, a one to a two to a three, and then the Grand Canyon goes from, like, a 10 to an eight.
15:10And then you've, like, reversed it to where now, like, a few months down the road, your reward system has been completely hijacked, and the thought of going to a grand the Grand Canyon is so boring to you because you're so used to getting all this artificial dopamine from a substance like Coke. And it really shifted things for me because I remember, like, being that person that, like, I couldn't go to the aquarium.
15:30I couldn't go to a football game of baseball. I couldn't do anything without being under the influence of a substance when I was younger. And it it totally made sense for me.
15:37And I think that it part of getting out of the simulation and what we're talking about now, I just think is acceptance of normalcy in that, you know, your brain your the way your brain is responding is kind of normal based on how you're treating it.
15:53Right? And if you're not changing the way you're treating your brain, it's gonna continue to do the same. And and that's why it's I think these conversations are are paramount.
16:03And, like, how how do you think like, what what how can people, like, survive in this in this world where, again, you know, we're talking about dopamine recalibrating and stuff?
16:18Yet, like, mean, there's just dopamine, like, everywhere. And like you said, you can't, like, live in a hut and, like, turn off everything, but you gotta stay, like, kind of tuned in to, you know, what's really going on around you.
16:28And I think it it sounds so ridiculous, but I think you can look at all the researches, peer reviewed research, that just mindfulness practices on their own.
16:41And you don't have to, like, sit in a room with incense and, like, spa music playing and all that kind of stuff. You can do this while you're remulching your yard, uh, if you want to.
16:55But having a practice of mindfulness and being mindful, not just while you're doing the app or while you have the little mindful audio thing in, But doing that throughout your day while you're in a meeting, while you're in traffic, while you're cooking, while you're stressing out about having to change a diaper or fix a mess or your roof starts leaking, can you do the mindfulness in there?
17:19So getting good at being present is so powerful because you talk about the Grand Canyon, your face lit up because you have memories. You have real core memories of being present in that moment.
17:31You talk about the dopamine from Coke, your face didn't light up because we don't have the core memories from that. So the Grand Canyon is not just a bunch of dopamine. It's three d experience and being so immersed in a moment.
17:45That's why if we have people that really study mindfulness and there's some really neuroscientists and and psychologists that are studying the effects of mindfulness, but, I mean, this has been studied for five thousand years, but but they just called it meditation or they called it zen or they called it some other word.
18:05But it's just forcing it's like . You're like, you're taking your little animal brain, and you're becoming the dog whisperer, and you're forcing that mofo into the present moment as much as you possibly can.
18:17Like, every time there's a little shift in awareness, you're bringing it back to the moment bring it back to the moment. And then there's a way to find, like, this almost a pleasure in everyday things, just enjoying your life as it is.
18:30And it's not like you're popping confetti cannons every day, but you're just quietly enjoying what's going on in the present moment. My face lit up because, you know, one of the
18:41most memorable experiences of my life is I was in Vegas by myself for a fitness conference, and I had some time to to kill. And I was staying at the hotels at the Wynn, and there was, like, a a flyer for, like, helicopter ride to the Grand Canyon.
18:57And it was, like, the most thing I've ever done was, you know, getting in this helicopter and leaving from Vegas, and you fly, like, into the canyon. It was so cool.
19:06I highly recommend people try that. I mean, it's just I had never been to the Grand Canyon, but it was a hell of a way to see it.
19:11And I'm like, I don't think I ever need to go back because I saw it in, like, the most complete way possible. And it got, like, thrill, you know, the thrill seeker in me lit up.
19:20It got the serenity part of me. Like, all the things were just engaged during that time. And, you know, one of the things that
19:26that the Grand Canyon does that's similar to psychedelic therapy is it shows you how small you are and how insignificant we are in in the most beautiful way possible. And I just did that that exact same helicopter ride probably a month in, maybe two months ago.
19:43Oh, really? For the first time ever. Yeah.
19:45And we landed down there in the canyon. It was me and my son.
19:49It was so much fun. Yeah. It's cool.
19:51Right? And you're there for, like, thirty minutes, forty five minutes. And did you go through Maverick?
19:55Was that the company? Yeah.
19:58Yeah. That's what we did. That's what I did too.
20:00That's really cool. And we'd landed a little picnic area. They give you some snacks and stuff.
20:05Man, it was it it was profound for me to see I'd never seen the Great Canyon until just a few months ago, unless it's, looking out of a airplane window or something on the way to LA.
20:17But I think there's a there's a profound perspective shift. When you go to giant things like that, the Grand Canyon shows you how tiny you are and how big the world is and how beautiful nature is and how powerful it is and how not powerful we are and not special we are.
20:36And there's a lot a lot that goes on in our life that we get stressed out about is us trying to convince ourselves that we're super, super special, and we we can't be socially injured.
20:47Nobody can
20:49make fun of us. We can't get any kind of social injury because we're really, really special. What have you found to be, like, the common thread of what typically holds people back from,
20:59you know, feeling confident, having authority, etcetera? It's gonna be a deep answer. It's not like, oh, it's putting a forgetting a Post it note on your window or something.
21:09But it will falls back to three things, and all three of those things are patterns that we develop in childhood.
21:16And if we can identify what those patterns are and how they're how we kind of unconsciously put stuff them in this and then carry them into adulthood without us really acknowledging it, without our awareness, then we have so much more control over our life.
21:32And those three things, if you imagine a triangle and we call this the childhood development triangle. And I can send it to you if you wanna, like, overlay it right now or put it down so people can grab it.
21:43It's what did I do around the age of eight to earn and keep friends, to feel safe, and to earn rewards from somebody.
21:53And the rewards are different. Some for some kids, it was like food because they had a rough life. And for other kids, it may have been praised for playing the violin really well.
22:03But what did I do for friends, safety, and rewards? And how did I avoid things to feel safe, to get friends, to get rewards?
22:11What did I avoid? And whatever those responses are, for ninety nine percent of people, those are the ways that we handle conflict as an adult.
22:21Those become the kind of fear of stepping out that we have as an adult because it's a fear of loss. I'm gonna lose friends. I'm gonna lose safety.
22:29I'm gonna lose rewards. Those three things. And they start when we're, like, eight or nine years old.
22:34And just kind of going back, and this quiz is gonna help everybody that's listening right now with this. I can start seeing this pattern. Like, I'm a 44 year old man now.
22:45I could take this quiz right now and be like, oh, shit. This started in middle school.
22:50I'm still doing this one little thing from middle school. And just kind of and putting it out in the open gives me a lot more control over it because I'm conscious of these patterns. So now they become a choice of, like, do I wanna continue this or not?
23:08Before, we don't have a choice because we never opened that closet and never looked inside and pulled those files out. I've heard you give your thoughts on, like, cognitive behavioral therapy. Like, have you found that any other therapies to be, like, effective at, like, kinda revamping the mind?
23:23Uh, I'm not a, like, a therapy expert. But as far as I understand now, the average therapy session for extreme anxiety, stress, PTSD, all of those kind of things to kind of get through that is, like, six to nine years.
23:40And it's the same thing that's accomplished in four hours of of psilocybin mushrooms.
23:47The same results, like nine years of therapy in in a short little package. There are some therapies.
23:55Hypnosis has been proven to work with a lot of people, and it kinda has, like, about a seventy to eighty percent success rate. Cognitive behavioral therapy has a high success rate over time.
24:06So if you keep at it and and keep doing it for several years, it will work. Psychedelics work higher than ninety percent, and that's in, like, four hours.
24:16It's in one one session. So that's the fastest route to do it. Working with a coach, if you can like, if you have a coach that's really digging through and and walking you through a lot of this stuff and unpacking your your your own bullshit to yourself is is the biggest thing.
24:33Because if if you're just sitting there filling out a little workbook along with a book that you got on Amazon or something like that, it's gonna be full of BS because we were very deceptive to ourselves. I mean, I'm an expert in this stuff.
24:46I saw a therapist probably six years ago, and I was I was full of it until I really unpacked a lot of this stuff. So I'm not immune to any of this.
24:56But that's the fastest way to do it is to get a coach, hypnosis, psychedelics,
25:01and cognitive behavioral therapy are really powerful for that. What have you found to be the relationship between, like, dopamine
25:09and motivation? Because I think a lot of this comes down to people just don't feel motivated to change their life. Yeah.
25:15And I think that goes back to the dopamine map. It's like where the where the dopamine's coming from is a big deal. And they may not be setting the right goals, and the motivation might not be there.
25:27And here's the thing that nobody's gonna say. You're gonna see all these mindset coaches, therapists. You're gonna see people saying you need to think differently.
25:34You need to set different goals. You need to wake up earlier in the morning, brush your teeth with your opposite hand, all of these little pieces of advice.
25:41And people try this for eleven, twelve, fifteen years, and they're not really getting better.
25:47And finally, they go see somebody levels, that tests their neurotransmitter levels, and they discover, oh, I've just had a vitamin d deficiency this whole freaking time.
25:59They were trying to, like, think their way out of a vitamin deficiency or a neurotransmitter problem, and they had a physiological problem, not a psychological problem.
26:08So that is a big powerful thing. A doctor can order those tests. And, man, vitamin b, vitamin d deficiencies can severely impact your life.
26:18And then you're gonna every everybody you see is gonna say, oh, well, you need to think more positive. You need to think differently. You might have a hormonal neurotransmitter or vitamin imbalance that's just ruining your life.
26:28The good news, if that's true, is it's a very, very easy solution
26:35ninety nine percent of the time. Well and I and I but I I think, like, from the action perspective and behavior perspective, I think there there needs to be a a strong focus, in my opinion, on, like, small wins for people when they're looking to to change their life.
26:51Because what happens is we live in this world of instant gratification where we wanna achieve these big things in, you know, an hour when, really, it's just a it's just compounding small wins to achieve that big thing. I would love to hear your perspective on it as far as behavior.
27:08Like, what is the importance of just doing the right thing every day having that lead up to something major. Yeah.
27:16And they I think all the old
27:18coaches back in the day would call this right action. Am I am I doing the right action? And that's the same with so many people now get upset, and they kind of get into a a little emotional rut because they're so used to things being quick.
27:34They they're kind of thinking, I want the Ozempic version of of discipline. I want the give me the Ozempic so I can do x.
27:43And not everything has that, and some things just take time. And those small wins are so critically important.
27:50But what's more important is my human brain is not fully in charge of all of this. It's that mammal.
27:58So always think of how could I dis how would handle this shit?
28:04So if I have a problem with a dog's motivation, I need four things to lead a mammalian brain, whether it's a human mammalian brain, a dolphin, or a dog. It's focus. Where is all my focus going?
28:18What are the sources of authority? And then tribe and emotion.
28:23Focus, authority, tribe, emotion. Spells out fate, and it is your fate for sure.
28:29So just figuring that stuff out. So how can I change the mammalian focus? So if I have affirmations on my wall or I have a a calendar that has x's on it every time I work out or every time I get into ketosis or or whatever somebody's trying to do, and your dog doesn't understand that.
28:48That's the big piece that everybody seems to be missing. A dog can't see that. Your mammalian brain isn't excited about a black and white thing on the wall with a bunch of x's on it unless you have this tremendous emotional attachment to it.
29:02So that's where, like, these vision boards come in, who we're hanging out with, who we're spending time with, where that why that tribe is so critically important. And all of these elements of our life, like, how could I show my goals to my dog? How would I make my dog happy that they're doing the right thing?
29:20And do those things for yourself. I'm gonna go on a run, and then I'm gonna celebrate with something. If I'm setting goals, I'm gonna put thousands of pictures associated with each goal so that there I can see images so that the mammalian brain starts to understand the direction.
29:37So it's not human going this direction, and mammalian brain doesn't know the human wants to go this direction. So getting that mammalian brain on board is so critically important.
29:47So say I I hired you and I said, you know what? Like, Chase, like, I have been struggling with discipline, procrastination for years, and I just can't seem to figure it out.
29:57I got my dopamine chart here, and it's like I'm doing all the wrong habits. What how can I quickly, like, start to unlearn some of these bad habits and then be able to build discipline and stay consistent even when I don't feel like it?
30:15So one of the biggest
30:18mistakes that I see clients making so if you're my client here and I'm I'm talking to you and this is our our thing here, there was a mistake in your language that I hear from so many people, if you don't mind me calling you out. Of course.
30:31You said discipline to do all of these things that I don't wanna do.
30:37A lot of people see people eating healthy and going to the gym, maybe eating a keto diet or or something like that. And they're doing these things all the time.
30:46Maybe they're writing a book, and they're they're disciplined about writing the book. But the our mind says, I wish I had that level of discipline.
30:56Or or we internally think they're so disciplined about that. Nothing of what you're seeing is discipline. That guy who goes to the gym every day, none of that is discipline.
31:07It's routine. The discipline was there when the habit was started only. So it's very important that we understand discipline's a finite resource.
31:17So let's let's start one habit at a time. So we're setting habits instead of goals. And the discipline is only we only need, like, a little shot glass full of discipline to kick off a habit.
31:30And most people have these 19 goals. Like, they're sitting there eating hot dogs every day, and they're surfing social media for eighteen hours a day. They have this really horrible lifestyle, and they're like, you know what?
31:41In six weeks, I'm gonna be muscular, fit, thin, successful, rich, good looking, and have extremely white teeth.
31:50So you need one try to do one discipline habit formation at a time. And the fastest discipline thing that kind of sprouts to rewards in every other area of life is I'm gonna use this little shot glass of discipline to start forming a habit of taking care of my future self.
32:09If I can do that, if that becomes a habit, everything benefits.
32:14Every single aspect of my life starts changing because I'm getting I'm using my discipline to force this one thing into a habit for, like I think it's sixty four days. It takes to set a habit and whatever number somebody says is wrong.
32:28Some of them are are useful, but it's probably around around that time. I'm gonna use that little shot glass of discipline to do that.
32:37So now if I have a habit of prioritizing my future self, every other habit that I wanna form starts getting easier because I have an emotional relationship with that future version of me. And if how do I get the mammalian brain involved?
32:51You download that app on your phone that's like make me look old or I think it's called face app, and it makes you, like, 95 years old. You can take a selfie with it, and it makes you super old.
33:02Print those out on a nice color printer and put it on your fridge. Put it next to your bed. Put it in your office where you're gonna see it.
33:10So we don't really prioritize our future self because we never met them. We have no relationship to our future self. So this helps that mammalian brain start prioritizing and connecting with that longer vision, that older version of ourself.
33:26We've talked quite a bit about self awareness and understanding some of the things in our life that might be limiting us, whether whether it be, like, you know, how we show up in situations, our environment, our relationship with dopamine, etcetera.
33:41And you talked about, like you kinda called me out and said the number one mistake that, know, you see people make is that they think that, you know, you said to get people to do things they don't necessarily want to do. In that same conversation, is there anything that you see, like, right off the bat common thread that you help people kinda stop the bleeding?
34:00Where you're like, alright. Generally speaking, there's, like, three or four or five things that you see most people do time and time again that's destroying their focus and their inability to reach their goals.
34:10Yes. So we'll go through kind of an I have a separate little inventory I walk each of my clients through. And I wanna identify where you're feeling discomfort in your life.
34:23So it's social settings and all this other stuff. And then I'm gonna identify where you seek comfort, like Instagram, TikTok, alcohol, all of these things in your life.
34:33And we're gonna pull cup we're gonna start making it more uncomfortable in those areas and increasing the comfort in the other areas. So so much of this stuff comes down to being comfortable.
34:46So I'm seeking comfort. Like, most people are seeking comfort in video games, TV, Netflix, binging, TikTok, or whatever, and that's more acting as an anesthetic.
34:56So I wanna find out where all of these little situations we have this long questionnaire we go through. But, essentially, what are all these little scenarios where I experience some kind of discomfort?
35:08Maybe when I go to the bank, when I when I log in to check my account, when I have to speak on stage, when I have to do a pitch, all of these other things. And then where am I seeking comfort? And then so this is kind of like a dopamine map, except it's stress versus anesthetic is really what we're we're finding out here.
35:25So I'm gonna pull out of the anesthetic and start pulling some of that onto the stress side. And you'd be wildly surprised in how fast those things can kind of reverse. So where are we seeking comfort?
35:41And I can start pull pulling away from that, and it gives more energy, more discipline, more willpower to all of these other things and and start it's such a rapid change. I've seen people change in as little as, like, a week and a half, two weeks just from mapping this out and getting super raw and real on a lot of this stuff.
36:01And hypnosis is is a fast way to do that and a fast way to really make that change that you're asking about. You know, a lot of your work talks about, like, controlling the mind, understanding people's body language,
36:13under understanding how to read people. You know? And I think sometimes people are like, well, how does that apply to me?
36:19Like, when am I ever gonna really need to, quote, unquote, do that? Like, the people I'm around, I already trust. You know, when I go into certain situations, like, no one's gonna be deceitful.
36:28Like, give the elevator pitch as to why people should care about that area of your work even though they're not, like, in a in the in intelligence agency.
36:39So I think when people hear behavior profiling or body language expert, they assume that it's about lie detection.
36:48And the truth is it's it's more about stress detection. I really wanna spot these little stress signals, and I wanna spot what makes somebody really comfortable, what somebody's interested in. And everything that I teach in my company goes down to three things.
37:02And if you look at what determines success in life, we can we can look at communication skills, like, I communicate, persuade, influence very effectively?
37:12Can I master myself? So communication, self mastery, and observation.
37:20So our failures can be traced back to I failed to communicate. I wasn't really in charge of myself. I was sending all the wrong signals, or I didn't observe the room.
37:30I failed to read the room. So this goes back to understanding what people are really feeling and understanding from a behavior profiling perspective. They use these three sentences.
37:42So I know one of their hidden insecurities insecurities is this. So there's hidden information in language that's not just, oh, this guy scratched his nose and he's lying because there's so much of that bullshit on the Internet already, which is not true.
37:55That's one of the biggest myths. But we can also develop a little profile of everybody that we know, not as some intelligence asset, but I'm truly as a leader, the better I am at understanding people, understanding that person's needs, their the values that they're not even talking about.
38:13We can find these things hidden inside of people's language, and this is in everyday conversations. One of my books is called six minute x-ray. And within six minutes, you can find out a person's insecurities, their fears, their secret desires, how they make decisions, what decision type they are, and all kinds.
38:33You would be stunned at how much information you can see in, like, six minutes just getting good at some of that stuff. How can people apply that stuff to better themselves and to improve their life, like, once they know information like that? Well, I think it allows you to communicate with everybody a lot differently.
38:48I think it makes you a better leader because you're understanding the people that are working for you, the the people that you know. But you're also when you're going through this inevitably, when somebody goes through this this training with me, especially the six minute X-ray stuff, it's a huge lens into ourself as well because we're learning about how we use language and what our language reveals about us, these tiny little pauses and these seemingly insignificant words that people say.
39:17So we're learning not just to be a better communicator, but we're we're getting better at knowing ourself. And one of the you ask about the most common problem. I think the most common problem I've ever seen is that that people don't really know who they are.
39:31They don't know themselves.
39:34It's tough. Right? Because it's like you have to be comfortable with all those parts of you.
39:37Right? And I think so is there anything else that people can do to get good at knowing themselves other than what we've talked about?
39:44Yeah. I mean, there's there's all kinds of workbooks and therapy and stuff like that, but this just getting to a point of radical honesty. So you get to a point of if if I'm in a conversation and I'm feeling that there was an awkward pause, I'll just say that out loud.
40:01And if I'm feeling, like, nervous about something, I'll say that I'm nervous out loud. And starting to get to a point where I used to would have never revealed this little thing because I feared judgment and start getting yourself used to making those little revelations in conversation.
40:18And I guess the end result of all of this, the most important thing that I could ever tell you about, like, getting to know yourself is that if once we start like, the starting point for all of this is, am I able to locate me on that childhood triangle?
40:35The friends, safety, and rewards. And this is the one thing that starts untying all of the other stuff. That is definitely the from what I've seen, the fastest entry point into a lot of that self knowledge.
40:47Yeah. I mean, radical honesty is is so important. And I think, you know, people's ability
40:52to do that, I think, is just so transformational, like, once they get to that point.
40:58You know, you you touched on, like, some of the reading people and talking about how to communicate with other people and the mind control stuff. Like, which one of those skills do you think is the most like, if somebody were to to take a deeper dive into your work in that side of things, like, which skill do you think they should they should focus on for first?
41:16I think going into learning how to read people automatically makes you start reading yourself and seeing it in yourself unless you're, a psychopath and you have no no self awareness whatsoever. And there's I have a free class.
41:29It's like, I don't know, six, seven hours that kind of walks you through this fundamental shift on how you view the world and how we view other people.
41:38And I think that is definitely the best place to start because if I can learn how to see what's going on around me and learn about myself at the exact same time, that becomes a little pathway to self mastery.
41:52What are your thoughts on on motivation? Do you think it actually works?
41:56Like, can somebody, like, you know, read something and or look at themselves in the mirror and be like, hey. You know, I wanna make this change. Like, can that carry them, or do you think it's BS?
42:05I think a lot of motivation is gonna be based in neurochemistry. So some people say, had this big epiphany, and it it may not have been the idea that they had. They they might have traveled, and they might have taken a supplement, or they might have balanced something inside their heads.
42:21I think a lot of motivation is is neurochemically based, and there are so many cases where we see people that are going to see a coach.
42:30They're working one on one with a coach that's working on their mindset and walking them through these questions, exercises, and all this other stuff. Meanwhile, ten years later, they discover that they've got a vitamin d deficiency.
42:44Or later on down the road, they're deficient in zinc or their epinephrine, norepinephrine brain chemistry is out of whack, and they just need to add something to their lifestyle or their diet to get that back in.
42:56So I think we tend to assume that a lot of psychological problems, symptoms are psychologically rooted when in fact it's a physiological deficit of some sort that's causing the psychological symptom.
43:12And there's I mean, there's cases where, uh, somebody goes to a therapist's office or goes to see a therapist, they're like, well, my I every time when I'm walking to work, my hands get numb and tingly. I feel really nervous. My heart's racing.
43:25I have this weird thing where I stop from walking and just feel kinda paralyzed as I'm I'm doing these things. And they're like, oh, we have social anxiety. Let's work on that.
43:33And then they discover a few years later, the person got a brain tumor that was causing a lot of these symptoms. So we tend as a as a culture, we tend to ignore in anything that's happening in our mind, we tend to ignore physiological issues that might be causing the symptoms.
43:52Is there anything, like, more recently, like any kind of habits or shifts you've made in your own life that you've made that have that have led to some self improvement?
44:01Yeah. Thirty nine yeah.
44:04Thirty nine days ago, I quit drinking because so many of my friends had stopped drinking.
44:15And it just I was lying to myself, uh, that it's not harmful, and I have a brain disease. And alcohol ex with the exception of maybe red wine, uh, alcohol is a neurotoxin.
44:27It's a neurotoxic substance. And I was hurting myself, and, uh, that was the one of the biggest shifts I've ever made.
44:37And the shift wasn't being, like, trying to quit and getting through the process of quitting alcohol and going through withdrawals and all that stuff. It's shifting your world view to where you know so much truth about that alcohol that all the reasons that you might come up with for drinking are false.
44:57So you're flooding your brain with a maximum amount of truth and data to the point where the decision becomes becomes a byproduct of your knowledge, and your awareness
45:08creates the byproduct of sobriety. Was there anything in your life that was kind of going on in the moment, or were you just like, hey. You know, I got this brain condition.
45:17My friends are doing this. Like because, I mean, a lot of times with addiction, I'm sure as you well know, like, something happens where it's like, crap.
45:24I'm at this crossroads. I either fix my life or things are about to get much worse.
45:29I don't think I had a big crossroads. I think we, uh, our company started growing a lot, and I hired my sister as as my CEO.
45:41So I had her quit her old job, and she came on, and she my sister, Holly, is is running our company now. And she quit drinking, like, seven years ago. And what I noticed, we were at, a family Thanksgiving thing.
45:55People were kinda pouring out wine, and and everybody was having a cocktail, scotch, and all that kind of stuff. And she didn't drink in it. And I asked her, like, if how do how do you resist it?
46:06That was my question. The the so that conversation with Holly was my big turning point. I said, how do you resist the alcohol?
46:13She said, there's not a it's not about resistance. It's about education. So, like, if if you know enough about it, then you just won't there will be no desire left in your entire body.
46:25Uh, and that that conversation with Holly was was a big catalyst for that. What did that experience, like, teach you
46:32about behavior change? Like, going through something like that? I mean, quitting alcohol is, like, for many, it's like nobody people don't do it because it's so tough.
46:39And for a lot of people, it's like this challenge that takes months or years. Like, what did that experience teach you? I think that
46:47we very often lie to ourselves about the reasons that we do destructive things, whether it's being in a relationship or drinking too much or getting pissed off in traffic when we when we really shouldn't be.
47:02We are lying to ourselves, and we typically, the right amount of truth will get us out of a lot of these negative behaviors like it does alcohol or anything else.
47:12I'm just missing pieces of truth, which goes back to what we talked about, this massive shift in perspective that psychedelics you create is why that helps people stop addictions and stuff because it gives you such a it, like, zooms you out so far, uh, on everything that, like, you're you're you realize, like, I'm I'm spending a whole lifetime thinking that, a, I'm special, b, I'm separate from everybody else, and c, uh, all of my little reasons that I have in my head for doing a lot of weird that I do are completely false.
47:49I think addiction is a simulation for a lot of people where they're just caught in the cycle of it, and they can't get out. They don't know what to do. And I think these from what I know, the first few months of recovery for people are very crucial because it's the time I think when when cravings are really high.
48:05It's like you're recalibrating your mental well-being if you were somebody who numbed with substances. Again, I'm not saying you did this. I'm just saying this is generally speaking.
48:13And I think it comes down to habits, right, and what you're doing on a day to day basis to keep yourself busy and, again, towards this future version of yourself. Like, what what types of things do do you do, like, regularly now to keep yourself, like, away from potentially going back and drinking?
48:33I mean, I have a I have a full bar in my living room. And this is for when people come over, somebody wants to make themselves a cocktail or something, or maybe we have a party here at the house.
48:45I think just the enjoyment of after you break the physical and the physiological addictions, the enjoyment of not needing that thing feels a lot like freedom to me.
49:00I'll speak for myself. But I think the that people focus a little too much on the chemical addiction to alcohol. I'm gonna go through these withdrawals.
49:10I'm gonna have I'm I'm worrying about, uh, DTs, which is delirium tremens like this, micro seizures that can happen when somebody's withdrawing. But we forget that about ninety percent of addictions are hand to mouth addictions. So I'm overeating food.
49:27I'm smoking cigarettes, streaking alcohol, or I'm I'm taking drugs or I'm smoking too much weed or whatever it is. A lot of these addictions are hand to mouth.
49:37So when we try to get off, we miss out this this hand to mouth gesture that that we're so fond of and that we're so used to. So replacing that during the process of getting off of addiction, um, or getting off of a substance is is really important to have something there to help you wean off of the physical movement pattern as well as the the chemical itself.
50:01And so what what can be helpful for for people to do that?
50:06Well, on the light side, kind of the caffeine free diet advice part of this would be, like, just having something there.
50:15So if I'm quitting drinking, I'm gonna set up a scenario where I'm gonna have something there that I can I'm sipping on throughout the evening or if I drink at night or or whatever it is. And on the the heavier side of this, and this is not advice, uh, for anybody, but, um, you need to talk to your doctor.
50:33But psychedelics are one of the fastest ways that you can do this, and this is through a psilocybin journey.
50:40And and now ketamine prescriptions are are getting more commonplace.
50:47Doctors are feeling less anxiety insecurity about writing the prescription for microdose ketamine, like, to be used throughout the day. And this is like a twenty five milligram, uh, trochee that you can dissolve under your tongue, and it can help with addiction and coming off of things and anxiety and depression and PTSD and so much of these other things.
51:08Even though it's a man made, uh, substance, it's it's proven to be so incredibly helpful, and its its likelihood for abuse is so low.
51:21And, like, if you look at mushrooms, they're anti addictive. Nobody's addicting getting addicted to, like, psychedelic mushrooms or anything like that.
51:30So I think that that's a huge revolution that I think people should be taking more advantage of. I mean, our ancestors used this stuff for millennia, and we kind of uh, it's good to see that we're going through this psychedelic revolution right now where there's so much of this stuff is starting to come out, and I think people are waking up to it.
51:51So is there a way to mimic that without psychedelics?
51:56Because, obviously, like, there's cost involved with that, and you wanna make sure you're doing it under medical care. And then maybe there's people that you know, a a lot of people who struggle have struggled with addiction are, like, completely sober, and that's, like, against their moral compass, especially if they're in, like, 12 step to do anything like that.
52:12So have you found, um, like, any practices that can, you know, over time, get you deeply connected to your subconscious so that you can kind of move forward with the pain and trauma in your life?
52:24There is one the the most effective thing I've ever seen that doesn't involve any I hate to use the word drug.
52:33Uh, it's such a stupid word, and it it's not appropriate to talk about psychedelics at all. But the thing that uses just our body is this thing called neurogenic tremors.
52:46And if you look at a mammal, the average mammal is programmed all mammals are programmed to go through this tremoring process.
52:57So when a squirrel or a fox or a impala or a tiger or polar bear goes through some kind of traumatic experience, let's say they're drinking water at some watering hole.
53:09Crocodile bites them in the neck, and they survive. They don't go back to their little tribe area or their den and, like, curl up under a tree for weeks at a time.
53:22And why don't why don't we have that? Why don't we have psychogenic trauma in animals?
53:28And one thing that this guy who did the research on this, his name is doctor David Bercelli, brilliant, brilliant guy.
53:35He was a trauma surgeon. But he noticed that after these animals had this trauma experience, they go into this state that looks like the body's vibrating or shaking, almost like it looks kinda like a seizure.
53:50And you can even ask if you know a police officer, you can ask a cop. They roll up on a car accident, and there's an infant in the back seat in a in a stroller or or a not stroller, like a car seat, and they survived, their body goes into the shaking response.
54:06But think about this for a second. Throughout your life, like if you get into something that's super heavy, traumatic, or stressful, and your hands are shaking, like, let's say you're trying to maybe dial 911, and what's the first thing people say when their hands are shaking?
54:21They say, I can't stop shaking because we develop this instinct to suppress these tremors.
54:29And we're the we we all have the instinct to to go into these tremors, but we have this instinct, like, if I if I lay on the ground and shiver and shake around, that is gonna make me look sick. It's gonna look like a seizure.
54:43Because what are people gonna do if you're going into this tremor state? They're gonna try to stop you as soon as possible. They will lay you down, tell you to stop, tell you everything's okay.
54:52So it's socially weird for us to do that, so we suppress this. Uh, but the cool thing is you're you're not gonna see a fox or a monkey or a squirrel with depression. You're not gonna see it.
55:05Uh, and the one thing that that we really suppress that they don't is this tremor response.
55:11And doctor Bercelli's work is is he had he has named these tremors himself, uh, but his system is called trauma release exercises, and it's free.
55:22You can watch it on YouTube. You can learn about it. And the cool thing is it's not like you have to learn how to do it.
55:29It's built into your nervous system to handle this trauma response. The one thing the thing that takes time to learn is how to stop suppressing it, how to kind of take your finger off of that kill switch and let that stuff start coming out. And the the really fascinating thing about it is that it's mostly just brain stem and spinal cord.
55:49You can have a full conversation while your body's going into this stuff. You look this up on YouTube separately, but you can watch TV. You can read a book.
55:56You can listen to an audiobook. You do not need to be consciously involved in the process. So the body really knows how to fix itself.
56:04Uh, and I've seen this. This is it's so popular and so effective that it was mandatory for us to go through some of this training coming back from a deployments overseas.
56:15And it changed my life. The first time I ever did it, it was life changing. And it takes you maybe thirty or forty five minutes to to find your way into this tremor state.
56:26But once you do it, once you do it one time, you can come back to those tremors very easily within, like, five seconds for the rest of your life.
56:34That's fascinating. That's wild.
56:37It's cool. And when you walk somebody through it, the first phase that that we go through is is called the ego phase because I'm I'm starting to do these tremors.
56:49I might be laying down. We'll put somebody in a stress position for a minute to kind of induce the muscle tremors so that you're you're saying, yes.
56:58I want this. I want this. So you're teaching the brain stem that okay.
57:01You're kinda giving the brain stem permission to do what it's been not allowed to do for a very long time. And but the ego phase is what prevents us from really doing it, and and that's what takes the time, is going through that ego phase of it's okay for me to do this, and I'm I want this to happen.
57:18I've heard you say that, like, one of the biggest things that people struggle with to consume your content is
57:25they feel like they're lacking control in their life. What do you think they're lacking control of? Well, this has multiple levels.
57:33I think our we are in a pandemic of loneliness, and that is the top part of Maslow. Like, the social belonging, confidence, and all of that leads to an increase in the next level, which is our self confidence, our personal discipline, which leads to a failure in the top part of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, which is like this self actualization.
57:55Can I, like, can I accomplish the crap that I wanna accomplish this year?
58:00And what do you think people can do if they're feeling lonely, out of control, they don't know what their future's gonna hold?
58:09Like, what's the first step, you know, that somebody can take to kinda get themselves out of that rut?
58:14One of the first is realizing that all of this social media and stuff is a placebo of relationships, and it doesn't actually fulfill your your primal need for belonging and connection with people.
58:31And the second part is develop just an you know, we we have you heard of locus of control? I haven't.
58:38So a person with an internal locus of control says, I decide what happens in my life. I'm in charge of the outcomes.
58:45It's my fault if something goes wrong. And an external locus of control is kind of like the world happens to me. So, like, my control center is all out there.
58:56So, obviously, people who are successful have that internal locus of control, and they're in charge. But there's also an internal locus of self esteem. So where does my self esteem come from?
59:08Does it come from in here or comments on social media or something like that? And I see your YouTube plaque back there. I've got a a bunch of those here.
59:18And, like, if I allow those those really positive comments and that that's my source of esteem, that's the same exact window that opens to for the negative comments to come in and just make me feel like so that means I have an external locus of self esteem.
59:37If your self esteem is internally derived, then there's nothing external that can really happen. So that would be number one is I'm gonna start doing everything I can to not allow this positive things out here to influence how I feel about me, and all the negative things can influence me either.
59:56So that is an internal self esteem locus. So step two is developing that sense of personal discipline, and we can dig into that if you want to do that.
1:00:06And there are some proven ways to absolutely do that and that ways that nobody's talking about.
1:00:12Yeah. I would love to get into, like, how you can kinda hack your brain to become more disciplined. But first, like, following up on what you just said, I think it it's so true.
1:00:20However, I think it's much easier said than done because I do think that in many ways, like, external validation and praise can be a great metric for how you're doing in life.
1:00:30Like, you know, I I see the views and subscribers and stuff on YouTube, and it's like, okay. I'm on the right track. However, you know, if I let that be the basis of how I feel about myself, it can be a very slippery slope.
1:00:42So how can people get how can people develop a better relationship with external validation and and not be how can people develop a better relationship with the external
1:00:56and feel good about themselves without focusing on that? Yeah. So the it starts with one thing, and that is when I see positive or negative information, does that help me act or feel?
1:01:09So it should be acting. So it I should act a different way because I'm using these YouTube comments or YouTube metrics. Is it influencing how I feel about me?
1:01:18Is it changing my self worth? And if I receive love if I need sorry.
1:01:24If I need love from strangers, that means my door is open to hate as well. And these are absolute strangers who should never dictate a single ounce of your self esteem or how you feel about yourself.
1:01:37So feeling great about it and you can feel good, but it dictating your self worth is absolutely toxic. And it's pretty easy to start just kind of getting that into your mind on a regular basis.
1:01:49When I'm reading the comments, I'm reading, I don't know, messages on social media. If I allow that to change my self esteem, something is wrong.
1:01:58But it should be, I don't know this person. I I wouldn't invite them into my house at this point. They they also shouldn't be invited into my head.
1:02:09So if if you wouldn't allow them in your in your
1:02:12around your kids, hanging around your house, they don't belong in your head either. Well and I think the the thing that takes over is this dopamine trap. Right?
1:02:20I know you talk a lot about dopamine and how the most successful people in the world, they, like, know how to harness their dopamine, not let it get out of control.
1:02:29Like, talk more about what you mean by that, and what are some things people can do to have a really healthy relationship with dopamine?
1:02:36Your source of dopamine your number one source of dopamine should be you, not your kids, not your wife, not your family.
1:02:44It should be you and your actions. And we'll get into that in in the discipline part. But what most people don't do, like, you just get, like, a simple journal.
1:02:53So, like, if you just get, like, a blank page in your journal and you kind of draw out it looks like a basketball court.
1:03:01So I'm gonna do a circle in the middle here, and then I'm gonna write down all the places in my life I get dopamines. And and I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna put Instagram comments, alcohol or drugs or pornography or, you know, all these places that people are getting dopamine from.
1:03:17I'm gonna write that down. And then what I do with all of my clients is on a one to a 100 or you have a 100 points, and you have to spend all 100 points.
1:03:26You have to put a point value on where you're getting your dopamine from. So and that's typically the first time ever in somebody's life where they've actually mapped out where their pleasure is coming from.
1:03:39Not happiness. Dopamine is not happiness. Dopamine is pleasure.
1:03:43And most people confuse the difference between those two. So if I have a score of 10 for throwing the ball for my dogs or playing with my kids or things that I that should be higher and the score for alcohol is, 65, you've once people see that metric, it is very, very hard to ignore.
1:04:06So the step two is, like, where where should the dopamine be? So here's where it is now. I'm gonna draw a little map.
1:04:11And on the next sheet of paper, we're gonna draw a new map and start, you know, drawing an arrow from the negative to the positive.
1:04:18Like, where I'm gonna borrow dopamine from this location. Maybe you don't have to quit all the way. I'm just gonna borrow some points so at least these two are equal.
1:04:29And that's that's the next step. I'm gonna get this from a 12 on this, and this one's like a 50. I'm gonna find out the midpoint of that and borrow dopamine from the high dopamine area.
1:04:41Does that make sense? Totally. And what do what have you found to be the most, like, effective things for having a healthy dopamine score?
1:04:49Like, what are the things that people can do for themselves that keep their dopamine at the most healthy level?
1:04:55Well, that that goes straight into the discipline thing if you're ready to talk about it. Yep. So when I said that, like, your number one source of dopamine needs to be yourself, there are a few things you can do.
1:05:07The number one thing, when we talk about discipline, the definition of discipline is that no one talks about your ability to prioritize the needs of your future self ahead of your own, and that's all it is. Can I prioritize future me above my present self?
1:05:25So over time, I'm gonna try to do things on a repetitive basis as often as possible to where future me is getting some kind of reward. I might set up the coffee maker the night before.
1:05:38I might put clothes out for myself. I might just put a thing on my phone that reminds me in certain times. And this is short term.
1:05:45Right? So these are small little things. It's springtime right now as you and I are recording this or spring has just started.
1:05:52And I might go into my winter jackets that we're about to take out of this closet and kinda put it down in the basement for a while and put a $100 bill in one of those and write maybe write a note to myself on there.
1:06:05So the more actions I can take to set up my future self for success, the more once that success comes, I'm looking backwards to my past tense self, not with regret, but with gratitude.
1:06:18That's the most important shift to make. And I'm gonna continuously do this. I'm essentially acting like a butler, except I'm doing it for myself.
1:06:26I am the butler of my future self. And this isn't just like folding clothes and and setting up coffee. This is how we spend money.
1:06:34The food that we're eating, the the stuff we're buying at a grocery store is all gonna dictate, am I prioritizing me now or me later? And a lot of people never really have this conversation of where are my priorities.
1:06:49And they're typically when people are not really getting the results they want out of life, their priorities are now, here and now, and and maybe a little bit in the future, but they're not really prioritizing all the things that are happening in the line. So what happens is my daily interactions are a I'm looking backwards or I'm anticipating stuff that my past tense self has set up for me.
1:07:12So I've got dopamine coming in anticipation and drive to start setting my future self up, and I'm getting dopamine to get stuff from my past tense self. So I'm getting dopamine from both directions of versions of me.
1:07:26And that is the the most powerful way that we can start doing that. And just the way to do this, there's not like, here's 17, you know, super cool tricks to do this or some formula.
1:07:39You just do it as much as you can, and you rate yourself every single day. How did I do?
1:07:45Where were my priorities today? And it takes ten seconds to put it in a notebook or journal, calendar, whatever. And you put it down.
1:07:52And just the act of rating yourself and bringing it into your conscious awareness is the fastest way to get that process into your life. Because it's the same thing, like, when you buy a new car and you start seeing it all over the place. I'm just repetitively exposing myself to that level of awareness.
1:08:09And you don't need to change anything. Your mammalian
1:08:11part of your brain's gonna do that for you. And what have you found to be the most, like, common thing is that people need to, like, reprioritize in their lives as far as, like, working on their future self?
1:08:20The most common is probably time management
1:08:25and environment management. Like, if you're thinking that you're gonna be a multimillionaire or you wanna run a company or something like that and you can't organize your office or your desk or and you can't keep your area clean.
1:08:39Like, you can't even pick up after yourself. Every time that you go out and you want to look like a CEO, you wanna look like a leader, you're gonna know there's a part of your brain dedicated to knowing that you're faking it.
1:08:52And that's where we have incongruent behavior. And that's how we we make these gut feelings in other people.
1:08:58We have this conversation. Everything looks great. We follow that LinkedIn article that we read of 14 ways to look more confident and command respect like a leader.
1:09:09And that person kinda gets a gut feeling. And the gut feeling is like something's not right. Something's not adding up.
1:09:15So no matter what we do, we're sending off these small signals. So environment, time, appearance, And appearance is like my hygiene, all of that stuff that might signal that I'm an authority to other people.
1:09:30So environment, time, appearance, social skills. And social is one of the ways that we should be getting dopamine, and we're not.
1:09:37We're getting it from social media instead of my closer circle of friends, my next door neighbors that live next to my house, the people that live across the street, the people in three d are where most of your social dopamine should come from three d human beings and not two d human beings, people that you know. And financial is the last one.
1:09:57So I was somebody that was incarcerated on felony drug charges. I share that because one of the hardest things I had to do
1:10:03was completely change my identity and transform into this new version of myself. And I think it's so challenging for people because, you know, for me, I was so used to being a failure.
1:10:15My brain was convinced that I was gonna fail at life because before I was in jail, I failed at everything. And so how can people, like, quickly or efficiently kinda trick their brain into becoming that new version of themselves when the old version themselves has been beaten down over and over and over again?
1:10:37There's a couple of things. It's and that always comes down to confidence. If I have a lot of self doubt, that's gonna be a big one.
1:10:44But even bigger than self doubt is shame and self judgment. And, you know, most judgment is us kind of casting that off onto other people.
1:10:53So the the fastest way and there's no hack for this, but the fastest way to do this is to become so self forgiving that people would think that you're crazy. Like, you're bat crazy because you're so forgiving of yourself.
1:11:10Because shame and the fear of shame is what holds people back from really doing that stuff.
1:11:17And when it comes to confidence, that there's two main elements of confidence, and that number one is radical, radical self forgiveness.
1:11:25Like, who gives a crap what happened in the past? Just radical to the point where it's insane.
1:11:31Because if you're feeling down, you're in the dumps, like you're a little you're doubting yourself all the time, that's already delusional. You're already delusional. So just pick delusions in the other direction and be more delusionally self forgiving.
1:11:47The part two of that confidence is a generalized it does not need to be specific, but a very generalized expectation that things are gonna be okay.
1:11:57And just those two things, you will drastically just shed so much weight that you notice, like, so many people carry this stuff around, like, about some thing that happened, like, when they were 20 or when they were in in high school.
1:12:14If you get to the point of radical forgiveness for other people and for yourself, you get to a point of, I have confidence.
1:12:22But I would say the third part is stop waiting for permission because a lot of people are waiting for some signal.
1:12:31Once my bank account reaches this much, once people respect me and I can prove that to myself, they'll they'll just wait on these little milestones. And those milestones act as little permission slips for us to feel confident.
1:12:44And they're they're completely artificial. They're absolutely placebos. They don't do anything to make you more confident.
1:12:50It's just a placebo. So there is no one coming to give you permission. You've just gotta give it to yourself.
1:12:57And speaking of being radical and confident,
1:13:00you know, I think one of the tough things and, again, this is just speaking from my own experience and people I've talked to is, like, when when you're kind of on the come up and your life isn't where it wants to be, you have this kind of cognitive dissonance going on that's like, well, my finances aren't where they are.
1:13:16My relationships aren't. My health isn't, but I'm on the journey up. And it's like, how do I become confident even though my circumstances are crap?
1:13:26Like, how can people become, like, delusionally confident when they're out trying to make it, introducing themselves to other people even though their life at home isn't where it wants to be.
1:13:38Yeah. And that that goes back to do I manage my environment, my time, appearance, social, financial?
1:13:45And if those things are on the up, like you you're actually taking care of yourself, you're living life how you really wanna live it, but you're it doesn't matter what the metrics are. If you're doing the right things and you're living off camera so not not not your results, but your behavior when you're off camera will dictate how people feel about you.
1:14:07So if you try to act confident and you're feeling insecure about all of this stuff because you haven't made your bed, you didn't get up early, you don't have a lot of discipline, but you're trying to give this appearance of confidence or discipline out in public.
1:14:21You've got to start living that way off camera. So that's it's just a natural thing. And most people view confidence as something that you do.
1:14:29Like, it's a thing that I do. And all it is is removal of things.
1:14:35It's not adding in anything. So the biggest lesson I ever learned in my lifetime training operatives and stuff is that confidence is not additive.
1:14:45Like, I don't need to add things to you to to to get you to be confident. I need you to remove this fear of social judgment.
1:14:53This is why public speaking is the number one fear. And second, I really need you to remove this self shame and all this crap that you carry for no reason.
1:15:03It doesn't make you a better person at all. It doesn't make you a better person to feel ashamed of stuff. It makes you a worse person.
1:15:10It makes you less effective, and it makes you more judgmental of other people. And the the final element of this is composure. And when most people go out and try to be confident, they're either in posturing mode or collapse mode.
1:15:26So in posturing mode, someone's, like, puff their chest out. They speak louder than they they normally would, and they try to overdo confidence. And then the collapse mode is I'm gonna shrink so other people feel more comfortable around me.
1:15:40But I think the middle of that is just composure is the word I would have for that. So just make composure like this daily practice.
1:15:48And composure is is the fastest route when it comes to practicing things. Composure is the fastest route to confidence.
1:15:56Yeah. The puffing the chest out, it's kinda like the invisible lat syndrome. Are familiar with that?
1:16:00Where people guys will, like, walk around like this just to give the impression that they're they're bigger than they actually are as far as their upper body. You talked about composure, which I think it it gets into, like, how can you be more comfortable in difficult situations? You know, what have you found to be, like, a hack or something that you've worked on yourself or with the people that you've trained to help people practice becoming more composed, you know, during difficult situations?
1:16:26So there's a few things. And we the first, we have to understand, like, the neuroscience of this and why that works.
1:16:34And we we have this mammalian part of our brain, this limbic system that kind of governs 99% of our life.
1:16:42So we think that we're in charge and this this animal brain is actually in charge. And most people need to realize that that part of our brain doesn't speak English. It can't read affirmations at all.
1:16:53Like, there's no language ability in that part of our brain. So when it comes to coming into life and trying to get more composure in conversations and having that that level of discipline where you're kind of a lot more in charge.
1:17:08You're not in charge of the room. You're in charge of yourself. Mistake number one that destroys ninety percent of people.
1:17:15The the biggest mistake, and I've never heard anybody else say this, is thinking in terms of hierarchy and status. So am I above or below this other person? And the the first step to that is, am I willing to agree to treat everyone equally?
1:17:33This means that if I meet Jeff Bezos tomorrow, I'm gonna treat him the exact same way as I treat a Starbucks barista. Everybody gets the same. There's no hierarchy.
1:17:42I'm gonna I'm gonna be the same to every person that I talk to. And that level of consistency sets the stage for that level of composure.
1:17:51So to going going into that mammalian part of this, it's a practice. So composure is a a lifelong practice, but you get good at it by making your body get involved first.
1:18:05So our brains are hardwired to kind of compare with other animals and stuff. So with other other humans. And the moment you get in a conversation, the way that you should permanently change the way you compare yourself is slowness and movement.
1:18:24And am I willing to be the slowest person in the room, and am I willing to be more relaxed than the other person? That's it. Those are those are the only things.
1:18:32Doesn't matter if it's this multimillion dollar potential client on a sales call or the barista at Starbucks. They're gonna be identical. I'm gonna be slower than the other person, more relaxed, treat everybody the same.
1:18:45And that is the fastest way to do that. And then kind of rating yourself at the end of the day. How did I do on a one to 10 on composure?
1:18:53Was I more in collapse? Was did I lean into the posturing side? And definitely, absolutely, rating yourself every day is gonna bring more and more awareness.
1:19:05And, of course, it's kitschy, and it it's something that's all over the Internet, but mindfulness, this practice of mindfulness throughout the day, just because it's all over the damn place, there's a reason for that.
1:19:18It doesn't mean we should dismiss it. It's absolutely powerful, especially when it comes to composure and and leadership and authority.
1:19:26What have you found to be the the number one thing that people struggle with as far as being uncomfortable?
1:19:33You mean in in social settings?
1:19:35Yeah. Like, what's the the biggest thing that you find people to be uncomfortable with?
1:19:40I I think it is a fear of future judgment. So it's imagining some kind of social judgment, and we're we're tribal animals. And if a a large number of people in our tribe a million years ago started judging us and and making fun of us, we can be outcast.
1:19:57We're not gonna have sex. We're not gonna have babies, and then our genes die. And this is one of the reasons public speaking is the number one fear.
1:20:04We're not afraid of speaking in public. We're afraid of the potential for judgment, and that's a two part thing. So the moment I am thinking about the potential for judgment, my brain automatically defaults to saying, if there's a potential for judgment, that also means that I need to manage how I am perceived.
1:20:23So this leads to there's a potential fear of judgment. I'm gonna change how I'm acting to to where everything's good.
1:20:30I'm gonna manage everything a lot more, which makes us less us, which which sends off a little vibe to people that's like, something's not right. There's something not really fully adding up.
1:20:41And then we see more skeptical facial expressions or more doubting. So it changes who we are. It makes us more self managing and more self managing.
1:20:49So we get out of that that need, like, judgment's not gonna hurt me. Your brain is wired to equate the fear of judgment with the same as being attacked by a saber tooth tiger.
1:21:01So the fastest way to get your brain to understand this is the phrase, there are no tigers. And it's gonna remind you that this is a mammalian response system that is outdated, and a lot of our society has outdate kind of outpaced our brain's ability to adapt to it.
1:21:19So just kind of that reminder, there are no tigers. And the second is start, like, a daily practice of worrying less and less about perception management because people are looking a lot less than you think.
1:21:33Everybody's thinking how what are they seeing? How are they judging me? They're they probably don't care.
1:21:39And it's not gonna matter. It will never matter at the end of the day. Do you think there are things that people can do
1:21:46that, like, force them, like, naturally to embrace discomfort? I mean, I know one of the things that's helped me is, like, the cold plunge sauna, like, doing, like, intense workouts.
1:21:56Like, there's a big trend for that now, and they're linking it to getting better at managing stress and being better in social settings. Like, have you found anything like that to be instrumental?
1:22:06Yeah. Those are are proven to work. I mean, the first study on it on it managing mental health stress was, like, 1951.
1:22:14They were studying dudes in, like, Norway and Sweden where there's, like, saunas everywhere and why they were so emotionally resilient to stress.
1:22:22And this was in they were measuring it in combat and soldiers returning from combat and how the saunas and and cold water helped manage stress. And those are fantastic. Another one to add on to that is just getting into a practice of yoga, which a lot of people don't associate with that.
1:22:40But if you have a good yoga instructor, they're gonna walk you through this little yoga session, and they're gonna remind you, like, when you're feeling a little bit uncomfortable, they're gonna tell you to smile. They're gonna tell you to breathe slower and and smile through that whole process.
1:22:55And it is fantastic at helping somebody manage this mind I'm mindful. I'm in the moment.
1:23:01I'm continuing to breathe through discomfort, and your brain starts learning these habits. So that is definitely Doug, you hit it on the head right there. I think that one of the the things that
1:23:13people are really I think one of the things that people really struggle with is fear.
1:23:19And fear, like, really, like, can trap them from making a decision. Fear can trap them from going out and changing their life, and it can just be completely overwhelming.
1:23:29I know we've kinda touched on, you know, some of this stuff already. But, like, if somebody came to you and they're like, hey. Like, Chase, like, I want to I want the the bulletproof way to crush fear so that it it doesn't let me so it doesn't, like, overpower me and prevent me from, like, living my best life.
1:23:47Like, what can they do?
1:23:49Well, the the first way is to start identifying all of those fears. Because every fear is like, I don't wanna go out in public. I'm scared of going in public.
1:23:59Well, why? I have a fear of judgment. And then we go, why is that?
1:24:03And why is that? And you kinda get back to, like, well, in middle school, I got made fun of.
1:24:09Or in high school, this thing happened. And starting to get aware, the awareness is the fastest way to start getting some of these things unwired.
1:24:19And living in a way where you know that this is kind of a a simulation, and you're kind of gamifying your own life by taking these notes every day. We're living in a way that I'm kind of in a video game, and I want I wanna level up my character. I'm gonna live in a way that is as fearless as possible.
1:24:37So to get out of those fears, the fastest way to do that is to really, really dig down on each one of those and figure out what it was. I have a system. Actually, if if you do PDFs or show notes, I'll just send you the PDF and you can stick it in the description below the video that all of our intelligence operators go through to assess their level of authority and what's what's really holding them back in their life, and it's free.
1:25:03It's it's called the authority assessment inventory. And that's one of the fastest ways. And if you if you think even if you're not religious, if there's any belief in your mind that says all of these ancient texts might contain some stuff that's really powerful and some really good wisdom, whether it's the the teachings of Judaism or Christianity or reading Hindu texts like the Bhagavad Gita or the Upanishads, and I mispronounced that.
1:25:33I have no no doubt I mispronounced that. But all of these texts have these things in common. And just zooming in on one of those, the the Bible, the most common phrase in the entire Bible is do not fear.
1:25:47It's the most recurring phrase in the entire Bible. It's 365 times reminding you not to be afraid of anything.
1:25:55It's not a big deal. Nothing is a big deal. And it's every single ancient text that seems to reflect that there's some truth with a lowercase t in all of these.
1:26:07And there may may not be one absolute truth, but I think that even Plato, before Christianity was even around, Plato wrote about this and wrote about the folly and and waking up from kind of the simulation and realizing that it kind of is a game with the Plato's allegory of the cave, wrote about this a long time ago, way before Christianity was around.
1:26:31But no matter what book you look at, if it's an ancient text and this ancient wisdom, every single thing that you see is telling us that we're all kind of like one thing. Don't be scared of anything in your life and just kind of go forward and and don't be a douchebag.
1:26:48We're all one thing and don't be scared. That's kind of the main theme of all these books. And I think just living your starting to live your life that way is such a powerful move.
1:26:59And how can I be less fearful? Is the system rigged to keep people in their twenties and thirties stuck in their head, stuck in life forever?
1:27:09I think the this is a we're going deep pretty fast. So I think the system is not necessarily rigged as if there's one puppet master, one guy holding the the strings and all this stuff.
1:27:23I think it's many, many things, and maybe two thirds of it is just the algorithms that are pushing profit.
1:27:31But when it comes down to you wanna get anyone stuck, there's three steps that you need to do to get people stuck, and that's p d s. That is pacify, distract, and sedate.
1:27:42Pacify, so we're, like, pacify you as much as possible, distract you as much as we can, and then sedate you.
1:27:49And if you look at the rise of things that people are doing in life that are anesthetic quality, not just like drugs, but, um, people looking at porn and video games are up, VR is is through the roof, and that becomes kind of an anesthetic for our life.
1:28:08But if we look at modern tactics of the psyop that is happening to keep people stuck, it starts with one thing called flooding. So we wanna drown out the real signals that are, uh, with overwhelming noise.
1:28:23This is memes and drama and fake news and riots. So I wanna I wanna drown out as much as I can, just overwhelm.
1:28:31And then it's repetition. So I wanna repeat a message enough, and it becomes an internalized truth for people.
1:28:39And then the next step is mimicry. So the way that it's working now and when I say psyops, I'm not talking about the US army. I'm talking about a psychological operation.
1:28:49I just wanna put that out there. But they now imitate everyday content.
1:28:55And this is TikTok, the Instagram posts, influence, and and stuff like that. And then we have gamification.
1:29:03So the next step of this, the the final two steps are are the biggest. The gamification is where we make ideology feel like a lifestyle or a team sport, uh, and that's big.
1:29:16And then just to seal it in, we use false consensus. So we use a bunch of bots or fake accounts to simulate popular opinion.
1:29:26And once that's happening, we get people who can't really grow up. And I think the biggest layer this is a super nuanced answer, but the biggest layer is if you look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it's this little triangle where you have, like, survival and then safety and then love and belonging, and then we have, like, self esteem and all the other stuff.
1:29:49But the love and belonging, that's our social need and what we have on social media now. We have this TikTok, Facebook, you know, whatever you wanna say.
1:29:58Our brains are not capable, 100% not capable of managing a social network that large. And the social media serves as a placebo of fulfilling that social need.
1:30:11So what happens is our brains are thinking that we're getting that social fulfillment, but we can never go past it, which means we never get to esteem. We never get an actual fulfillment of that. We get these dopamine hits that feel like social connection, but they're not.
1:30:26It's not satisfying that ancestor part of our brain. So it is stuck in that place. And massively, what happens as a result of that is I can't have empathy for every bad thing that goes on around the world.
1:30:40It's not possible for anybody. Uh, so we see people then outrage about one or two things, but there there's a guy that maybe got murdered two blocks away from their house. They don't have time to deal with that because they're worried about Ukraine or they're worried about something else going on.
1:30:57So now that we have so much overload of social connection and negative news, we have apathy. And and I I do believe that this is an engineered apathy, and that's the that's the real cause of all this.
1:31:10So do you think there's a way out? I do. I make videos about this on my channel, uh, all the time.
1:31:16And I think the way out is not just, like, go live in a cave and, like, become Amish. It's, like, throw your your iPad in the trash. I think the way out is starting to realize what is simulated and what's not in your life.
1:31:33And where are we looking at a label of something and thinking that that's the thing? The word is the thing.
1:31:40Where am I looking at social connection on Facebook and and tricking myself into thinking it's real? Because what this has made us do is pretend.
1:31:49And all of us just fallen into this trap of I need to fake something. I need to pretend like I've got all my together. Like, we see all of these videos online, these content creators, like, everything looks good in the background, but you go to their normal life, their off camera life.
1:32:05It's absolutely falsified. The way that we do this is we realize what's fake in our life and where we are pretending.
1:32:14And the biggest thing that's been engineered over the last few years is this fear of social injury, and that is weaponized.
1:32:23If you look at, like, the the biggest fear of people is public speaking, but it's actually judgment. So the the fear of judgment has been weaponized, and we've talked about this, like, with your first question. Stop being a victim to the fear of judgment is the biggest thing.
1:32:40And even even if you're just starting small, just be okay with receiving a a social injury once or twice, and be okay with being nonperfect. And if you're watching the news on a regular basis, I would say that is a that's worse than in my opinion, I would say that's worse than, like, smoking a few packs of cigarettes for your health and for your mental well-being.
1:33:05I would say, like, if you're watching the news, that would be step one. It's like, I haven't watched the news in probably nine years, eight or nine years, and it's amazing.
1:33:16But if something's gonna happen here, my neighbor's gonna text me. My family's gonna say, hey. Did you see this thing that happened?
1:33:22Maybe I'll see some events that are important, but our brains are not wired to handle a world full of news. Our brains are wired to handle a 100 people max, maybe a 150.
1:33:35And that little tribe is what we're supposed to handle. And we're tricking ourselves because our brains have not evolved in two hundred thousand years.
1:33:44And how can people have, like, a nuanced relationship, or is that possible? Like, meaning, like, I heard you say that social media creates this false sense of connection, and yet I think people wanna still figure out how can I stay informed, how can I stay connected to people online that I may or may not be friends with?
1:34:00And then the same thing with the news, where they're like, hey, like, probably shouldn't be watching the news every night before I go to bed, and I also want to stay informed with what's going on. Like, is there a way to have a healthy balance with these things so that it doesn't wreck people's lives?
1:34:15I I don't think I'm the expert. I'm I'm the guy that studies how it damages us and how and and I'm not even studying it for health reasons. I'm studying it because I teach interrogation.
1:34:26I teach people how to make people do things that are not in their best interest. And this is getting someone to confess to a crime. This is, uh, or if they think it's not in their best interest.
1:34:36So if somebody has a severe, uh, depression and they go see a psychologist, they think getting rid of that, which is a part of themselves, is not in their best interest.
1:34:45So this is this is what I really studied. But I think the balance comes down to awareness, a deep, deep awareness because papa Carl, as as we call him in all of my trainings online, Carl Jung famously said, until you make the unconscious conscious, it will control your life, and you will call it fate.
1:35:08And most of what we think is our fate is just a bunch of running in in the background, a bunch of unconscious stuff going on that we're not aware of. So getting hyperaware of your screen time, getting hyperaware of where I feel this need to pretend, and why do we still need to pretend?
1:35:25Social media has hijacked this thing, so we fear social injury. So getting hyperaware is step one. There's not like you need to wake up at five and take a cold shower and take zinc and magnesium and all this, like, perfect morning routine.
1:35:40Just make the in your life that's unconscious, bring it as much as you can to the surface, and do it on a regular basis. And keep in mind that the mammalian brain that makes all of our decisions and that governs our whole life doesn't speak English.
1:35:55You will never affirmation your way out of this stuff. Like, that's using language is not the right way to do it. Using awareness is.
1:36:04So we have this part of our brain called the the reticular formation. People online commonly refer to it as a reticular activating system.
1:36:13So in in your brain, if if Doug is searching for white 2025 white Toyota four Runner TRD Pro, then you've got all these specifics and stuff.
1:36:25And then you finally go and buy one. The day you start driving it, you're gonna see it everywhere. You're gonna be like, woah.
1:36:30Everybody's got the same car as me. And that's not because you told your brain using language to do that. The biggest changes in our life when we fall in love, we watch our kid get born.
1:36:43Um, all of these big things that happen in our life and these big shifts in our unconscious are never rooted in the use of language. So how can I get the awareness up there so much that I'm telling that reticular formation of the brain that this is very important so that the mammalian side of our brain starts searching for it?
1:37:03What do think is a good first step for someone who is in this simulation and on autopilot,
1:37:08and they're just used to doing the same stuff over and over again? They're scrolling social media. They're not taking care of their health.
1:37:14Like, what's the first thing they can do to develop start to develop this hyper self awareness?
1:37:19So the number one thing is disruption. Anytime you wanna start deprogramming someone or even brainwashing someone, either way, back or or backwards or forwards, you want to start with destabilization and some kind of agitation with lifestyle.
1:37:39So if I expect something, I need to disrupt the expectation. I'm gonna wake up. I'm gonna brush my teeth maybe with my left hand.
1:37:47I'm gonna repaint my bedroom. I'm gonna move my furniture around. I'm gonna routinely do things that disrupt the scripts that I'm following through my life.
1:37:56So if the script if one of my scripts is scrolling on Instagram for an hour, maybe a couple hours a day, I'm gonna set a time limit. There's like, if you look at the new iPhone, you can set app time limits and stuff on your on yourself.
1:38:13And I don't mean that I can't reopen the app, but I'm just gonna disrupt the script when that time limit thing pops up. I'm gonna do everything I can to start disrupting those routine scripts in my everyday life.
1:38:26One of the things I've had my clients do is this is stuff that physiotherapists use called KT tape.
1:38:34Have you ever heard of that stuff? Yeah. Yeah.
1:38:35Yeah. So it's like stretchy stuff. It's got two sticky ends on it, and it's kinda like to pull the fascia away from muscles.
1:38:42I'm probably making that up. I'm not an expert. But just putting that on your body, uh, no matter where you put it, is going to refocus your energy throughout the entire day.
1:38:54So just having like, pulling your chest apart or having it to where, like, if you slouch, it it's gonna, like, tighten up. That's gonna tell your brain over and over without English, without any words.
1:39:07It's gonna tell your brain over and over something is different, something is new. You need to pay attention. So the the fastest way to break out of the scripts is to start disrupting them on a regular basis.
1:39:17And I think that sometimes people, when they hear what we're talking about or they have this gut feeling that the world is, quote, unquote, against them or they've they're wired to fail or whatever, they fall into, like, the victim mindset.
1:39:32Like, how would you how do you how would you, like, interrogate yourself? Or what questions would you ask to be able to snap yourself out of a rut like that and escape the victim mindset?
1:39:41That is so, so tough, especially when it's a behavioral pattern. I would say the fastest way to do it is listen to the expert on a regular basis, and I would say that's like Jocko Willink.
1:39:55It can snap you up faster than Chase Hughes ever could. But if you wanna snap out of any kind of rut like that and you see yourself kind of going into this victim mindset, that is amazing, and you should celebrate that because 99% of people aren't even aware that they're in it.
1:40:11So if you've got to that point where you realize that I might be, you know, victimizing myself, You need to get out of that mindset, but the fastest way is I need to start disrupting scripts.
1:40:24Because even if you watch Jocko all day, every day, you read all of Jocko's books, you're running on scripts. So we're running on autopilot 10 times more than we think we are.
1:40:35Throughout our entire day, we're running these autopilot script from our behavioral patterns. So no matter what we read, remember, that's language, we have to disrupt patterns so that the brain pays attention.
1:40:46So we have to do things differently where the brain has no more ability to predict the future. I think when sometimes people are trying to get momentum,
1:40:54like journaling or even, like, putting their thoughts out there, setting goals can help. You know, what what do you think are some of the most important, like, questions someone should ask themselves or, uh, important maybe, like, journaling prompts.
1:41:10Like, if you were trying to, you know, get someone to snap out of that behavior change and be consistent with how they're moving forward in life.
1:41:17Some of the most important questions to raise are, what are the things I do automatically every day?
1:41:24Like, what are the things I'm doing automatically, and how can I start breaking out of that? But second is, what are the things that make me emotional?
1:41:33What are the things that I get upset about? And that's where we're gonna find those little identity fragments. And Carl Jung talks about this so much that I have my office is just, like, full of of Carl Jung's books.
1:41:48What I really wanna do is on a repetitive basis, what am I doing not just on autopilot, but how am I judging other people? And that number one is gonna help you start identifying those unconscious patterns of, like, I have I'm carrying some kind of secret concealed shame that I don't want anybody to know about.
1:42:07Um, and when people are concealing shame and guilt, the the biggest thing is they think that they're the only one.
1:42:16Uh, but I can tell you, it it this is a 100% of people are doing this. And whether or not you feel bad about it is is the measure. So where am I judging other people, and where am I carrying some kind of hidden shame?
1:42:31And the the hard part about the the hidden shame part is that some people will carry this hidden shame, and they will feel like me feeling bad about this one thing that happened in middle school or this thing that happened a couple of years ago. If I feel bad about it, that makes me a good person.
1:42:49That's the biggest load of that that you could ever hold inside of your brain. Feeling bad about something does does not make you a good person.
1:42:59Yeah. And it's tough, because I think that a lot of times, like, going back to this victim mindset, I think people will use their past as a way to justify current behavior.
1:43:12They'll say, well, I was picked on in school. My parents got divorced.
1:43:16I mean, I did all of this, I wound up in jail. And they people end up using these excuses as a way to justify how they act now, and it's tough because their brain has now convinced them that it's okay to behave that way because they're used to getting people patting them on the back and telling them it's okay.
1:43:34And then the sob story is there's commodity in that.
1:43:37There there really is. And I think if you look at it from a different angle, that's the first big thing that we all need to do is I need to take my little GoPro that's normally stuck way behind my head and put it out in front of my eyes and start changing my perspective.
1:43:56This is why, like, just a shift in perspective can solve depression, and it can it can help people with PTSD and all kinds of other things. This is why that we're starting to see that psychedelic therapy is, like, one of the most effective things ever tested.
1:44:13Well, and I think it's tough because people, for decades, like, they they are just used to seeing, like, one perspective, having one view of the world, and they've essentially kind of manipulated their own perception of of reality.
1:44:27And it just takes so much work to to snap out of it. And it and it's tough. Like, how how do you think people can be consistent with it when they have been inconsistent for years and they're just somebody that has had the same, like, type of worldview for a period of time, and they're trying to, like, make that shift to be consistent with behavior change.
1:44:49If they're trying to change themselves, the the number one thing that we can do is is form a a visual relationship with your future self. And this sounds maybe we talked about it on the last podcast.
1:45:02I'm I don't remember. But you you get you download an app that makes you look like a 95 year old, and you you do that thing.
1:45:10You take the selfie. You look looking at it, and it makes, like, AI warps your face or I don't know how it works. But you print that sucker out, and you put it on your fridge.
1:45:19You put it on everywhere you want it to. You wanna be reminded. And so most people don't prioritize our future selves because we have no ability to visualize them.
1:45:30They're hard to think about. But what we're doing is not using language. We're not using affirmations.
1:45:35We're showing the mammal part of our brain what we want to focus on and where we wanna place priority. So if I wanna be consistent, the only reason I fail to be consistent is because I'm prioritizing myself right now.
1:45:50What do I want? What does present tense me want right now? And we're .
1:45:58So shift number one to make to to make so many changes in your life is, can I teach my mammalian brain to start forming a prioritized relationship with future me?
1:46:11How could you could you do that with, like, situations? Like, you know, I imagine if somebody is, like, in a relationship and they're acting disrespectfully to their partner, like, would there be a way to, like, look at, a future version of that relationship?
1:46:26Someone who's addicted to drugs and they're like, hey. What's my life gonna be like in ten years?
1:46:30Like, can that app do something similar, or would you, like, have to almost, like, draw a completely different picture? I think that our
1:46:37brain is is wired to go against things a lot more than it is towards something positive. It's it's made to go away from something negative. If you look at at our ancestors, they were way more likely to confuse a stick for a snake than a snake for a stick.
1:46:59So we're our brains default to negative to keep us safe. So if if you're trying to avoid something, maybe printing two versions of that picture out, one where you're missing some teeth, maybe somebody's on drugs or something, or one where you're morbidly obese and 85 or 90 years old.
1:47:19Uh, a lot of those can help the mammalian brain say, I don't want that because our brain people are saying, like, you're programming your brain all the time. But if your brain doesn't like something, it's going to be repulsed by that. And I know that you're not if you're putting negative stuff into your brain on a very regular basis, it's very hard to just want that negative thing.
1:47:45You're not gonna drive toward it automatically. So keep in mind, our brains are wired to move away from negative stimuli. So we just create that negative stimuli to help us form that relationship with the future self.
1:47:58So from a on a day to day basis, like, we're kind of bringing this together. Like, we've got companies and things that that have created this simulation for people to feel like they're stuck or even more stuck than they actually are in their life.
1:48:13And then you have these people that are trying to change, they're watching your content. Maybe they're listening to this episode, they're like, hey.
1:48:20You know, I realized my relationship with social media is unhealthy. I probably should change my friends. I probably should put the substances down.
1:48:26I should probably work out, like, all the things. And yet they're up against this battle that exists that's way more powerful than they are.
1:48:35Right? How can people navigate that on, like, a day to day basis?
1:48:40Like, what would that framework look like so that they are working towards self improvement and yet but yet they're not letting this, you know, sigh up kind of affect them while they're on their way?
1:48:53I think that from a day to day basis, the the main thing that a person can do to start getting out of this rut is a, developing that future self relationship where our mammalian brain sees it.
1:49:05That is number one. But number two is just making the unconscious conscious.
1:49:13So let's go back to that for just a second with with this new question. If I am if I know that I need a new friend network, there's part of me that I'm not really aware of that I need to make more aware in my brain.
1:49:27So I need to, like, write all this stuff out. Maybe I need to build a spreadsheet. Maybe it's some visual thing that I need to do.
1:49:34I need to make these problems as crystal clear to my conscious brain as I possibly can. So if I'm on social media today, maybe I'll go to Michaels or Walmart, and I'm gonna get a big poster. I'll draw a little grid on there, and with a big Sharpie, I'm gonna go up there every day.
1:49:49I'm gonna I'm gonna write how many hours because your phone tracks it all. I'm gonna write my screen time on this big board. The stuff that we used to just unconsciously pursue is now getting forced closer and closer and closer to conscious awareness.
1:50:05That is the the fastest way you can do it. Because if I wanna manipulate you, if I'm running a psyop against a country of any size, the first thing I want you to do is pacify, distract, sedate those things so all of the negative behaviors, all the things that I want you to be doing are happening unconsciously.
1:50:26And the fastest way to do that is just to get someone to do something on a regular basis, and second, get you to believe that lots of people are doing it so I can normalize the behavior.
The Hook
The bait, then the rug-pull.
No music bed. No host monologue. No graphics. Doug Bopst opens cold with the question the whole episode hinges on — how do you bounce back from failure without becoming the failure — and behavior-influence researcher Chase Hughes spends the next 110 minutes answering it through about a dozen named, paper-and-pen-able frameworks. The thesis lands fast: perspective and priority. That is it.
