The argument in one line.
Politics and media are theater designed to manipulate through unconscious story archetypes and manufactured connections between unrelated events, and recognizing this allows you to disengage emotionally while maintaining healthy skepticism toward all narratives.
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- A parent or educator who wants to teach kids how to recognize psychological manipulation tactics and media narratives as constructed performance rather than truth.
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- A person curious about psychedelic medicine for neurological conditions or consciousness exploration who wants to hear a firsthand account of a five-hour IV DMT protocol and its reported effects.
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A 108-minute conversation covering three distinct threads: treating all news as psychological operations theater where performance signals political intent; raising children who can identify manipulation by asking 'what does that person want me to think' about every piece of media; and Chase Hughes' first-of-its-kind five-hour intravenous DMT experience that stopped his temporal lobe seizures within four days after years of multiple daily episodes. The seizure resolution came after combining methylene blue with mushrooms, followed by the IV DMT protocol that Hughes describes as rewiring his brain and re-sorting years of scrambled memories within months. The conversation is wide-ranging rather than methodical, moving between behavior science, parenting, quantum neuropsychology, and firsthand accounts of political theater from someone who attended think tank events in that orbit.
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00:00guestChase Hughes
00:00hostCal Callahan
00:00cohostAdam Schell
Where the time goes.
00:00 – 01:35
01 · Cold open: theater + the DMT cure
Rapid-cut sizzle reel previews the entire conversation — Chase's 'news as theater' thesis, SIOP susceptibility, quantum brains, seizures, and the methylene-blue/mushroom turnaround. Sets channel branding.
01:35 – 04:30
02 · Did you get psyoped by Trump?
Cal asks Chase whether his consulting proximity to the administration (Mar-a-Lago, Kash Patel) means he got caught up in political theater. Chase: his brain registers everything as theater without exception, and if politics was about results it wouldn't need performance.
04:30 – 10:00
03 · Plato's cave & Alan Watts on suffering
Chase explains his 'Plato's Cave Search and Rescue Team' identity. Cites the Alan Watts bumper-sticker line: 'Almost all of our suffering comes from taking very seriously what God built for fun.' Cal pushes on the emotional integration of intellectually knowing it's theater.
10:00 – 18:00
04 · Parenting framework: 'What does that person want me to think?'
Chase's signature parenting drill — from age 9 he asked his kids what bumper stickers, loud airport clothing, and strangers were trying to project, then at 10-11 added 'what would they be afraid of if that were true?' Builds empathy as a side-effect of behavior reading.
18:00 – 23:00
05 · Perspective shift as the only PTSD cure
Teach kids to grab their internal 'camera' and zoom out. Psychedelics fix PTSD the same way: not by dropping the trauma backpack, just by changing camera angle on the same memory.
23:00 – 29:00
06 · Trial-consulting trick: make them feel clever
Chase's persuasion model from his trial consulting practice — place two ideas near each other with no explicit link, the brain wires them together, the audience feels clever, and the belief sticks because it 'came from within.' Two scariest things he taught his kids: (1) two ideas with no thread between them, and (2) any grown-up asking them to keep a secret.
29:00 – 36:00
07 · The 'They' game for teenagers
With his 17-year-old's friends asking 'what do we do?' about Epstein/Iran, Cal walks them through what 'they' seem to hate (vulnerability, prayer, real connection, healthy bodies, natural sexuality) — and tells them to just do the opposite. Chase offers to make a one-page infographic.
36:00 – 43:00
08 · Microdosing & the etheric mycelial network
Adam describes seven years of microdosing as having strengthened the heart-head fibers — 'I know when to give, when to receive, when receptors aren't hitting.' Setup for Chase's psychedelic history.
43:00 – 51:00
09 · Temporal-lobe seizures & foreign memories
Chase describes 5–10 seizures a day — paralysis, 60–90s of fake memories from other lives implanted into his 'file cabinet.' One recurring seizure as a Tennessee woman whose address and SSN he could recall; he and his wife later visited the actual house.
51:00 – 56:00
10 · Sudden savant syndrome & the white-crow standard
Argues that thousands of cases of acquired-savant abilities (foreign fluency, instant cello) collapse the 'consciousness is locally generated' theory — one white crow disproves 'all crows are black.'
56:00 – 1:02:00
11 · Methylene blue + mushrooms = seizures gone in 4 days
First microdose stopped the seizures within four days. Within months his memories 'resorted themselves out.' Brian Johnson's brain glucose normalized during a 5g journey. Russian mice study: +30% telomere length.
1:02:00 – 1:09:00
12 · Empathy & boundaries with annoying people
Adam asks how to coach a 14-year-old dealing with an insecure peer. Adam's answer: deepen empathy AND keep boundaries — be loving without being his rescuer.
1:09:00 – 1:15:00
13 · Story archetypes — the persuasion master key
There are only 7–8 archetypes, hardwired pre-language for 200,000 years. Chase shows how he places David-and-Goliath cues around a courtroom narrative without ever naming the story — the jury 'completes the archetype' and thinks the verdict was their own idea.
1:15:00 – 1:20:00
14 · Why Epstein won't get the Spielberg ending
Everyone's craving a tidy 'big evil monster falls' resolution because that's the archetype we've been trained on. Real life is the tragic-comedy archetype, not the redemption story. Includes Ghislaine-Maxwell-look-alike-in-Quebec digression and Chase's forensic-facial-expert call about the ears.
1:20:00 – 1:29:00
15 · Satan's Little Season & the missing 950 years
Cal lays out the Paul-Hobbs / Alex-Zech inserted-time theory: 950 years invented to hide a millennial reign of peace, Tartarian architecture, mud-flood evidence, the 12-month Gregorian calendar replacing a natural 13-month/28-day calendar. We are at the end of a 250-year inversion that started ~1776.
1:29:00 – 1:32:00
16 · Hermetic principles — All is Mind
Chase: every psychedelic insight reduces to the seven Hermetic principles. The first two are the foundation: mentalism and correspondence. Adam fills in the remaining five.
1:32:00 – 1:37:00
17 · The dream-within-a-dream argument
Chase's spiel: in a dream the distance to the fireplace is made of you. Quantum mechanics shows ~1/3 of your brain's particles aren't here at any given moment. So what if the waking world is just the next layer up?
1:37:00 – 1:41:00
18 · Five hours of intravenous DMT
Chase was the 41st person to take IV DMT for five hours (most experiences are 8–20 min). Done for neurogenesis/BDNF on a brain scan showing 38% non-functioning. Beings shoved him onto a steel table, opened his torso with shears, drilled into his nose. His wife had silently prayed over the vials the night before for his heart and brain — and that's exactly the first order of business the entities went to.
1:41:00 – 1:44:00
19 · Coming back & 'death by astonishment'
He didn't want to come back. Cried, asked 'am I dead' 39 times. Took weeks to integrate. McKenna's phrase: death by astonishment. We make DMT in our own bodies, and it's still a felony.
1:44:00 – 1:47:00
20 · MaxStack pitch & the dying-regrets test
Adam pitches the Brain Supreme MaxStack — ceremonial cacao + Ceylon cinnamon + 22 ingredients designed to complement micro/macrodosing. Chase: the only test that matters for 'how to win at life' is the regrets of dying people.
1:47:00 – 1:48:24
21 · Chase's new TV station + sign-off
Chase is building a Virginia-based daily news channel formatted as a CIA-style intelligence brief — open bank-account ledger, public-by-default correspondence, fact-only, designed to expose what's being used as a distraction. Cal/Adam close on the merch room.
Lines worth screenshotting.
- Anyone who thinks they are not susceptible to a psyop is completely susceptible to a psyop.
- If politics was about results, it would not require performance, cameras, and constant attention.
- Temporal-lobe seizures that had lasted years stopped within four days of methylene blue and mushrooms.
- Treating all news as theater takes about a year of deliberate practice to actually feel, not just intellectually understand.
- One-third of the particles inside the human brain exist simultaneously in some other location, according to quantum neuropsychology.
- Awakening does not make you feel superior; it makes you feel embarrassed that you took everything so seriously.
- The hardest part of seeing through the theater is not the knowledge — it is raising teenagers in a world where institutional stories have collapsed.
- Going down dark rabbit holes is necessary, but living there means you see only darkness; get what you need and come back out.
- Plato's Allegory of the Cave is the original Matrix — he warned about manufactured consensus thousands of years before the internet.
- A five-hour intravenous DMT journey reorganized years of scrambled memories within months.
How to Read the Theater Everyone Else Calls Reality
Perception framework
Chase Hughes uses behavior science, story archetypes, and a five-hour intravenous DMT journey to show why treating reality as scripted theater is a cognitive survival skill, not a conspiracy theory.
01Cold open: theater + the DMT cure
- The through-line is behavior science applied to news, parenting, psychedelics, and consciousness — treat everything as a performance with intent behind it
02Did you get psyoped by Trump?
- A genuine behavior-science frame does not pick political sides — it reads all performance as performance, regardless of the performer
03Plato's cave & Alan Watts on suffering
- Knowing something is theater intellectually and integrating it emotionally are two different skills — the second takes practice
- Almost all suffering comes from taking seriously what was built for play — a diagnostic tool, not a bumper sticker
04Parenting framework: 'What does that person want me to think?'
- From age 9, ask kids what any display — bumper sticker, loud clothing, stranger — is trying to project
- At 10-11, add: what would that person be afraid of if their projection were true? Empathy emerges as a side effect
05Perspective shift as the only PTSD cure
- Zoom-out is the mechanism — teach kids to grab the internal camera and widen the frame
- Psychedelics work the same way: the trauma memory stays but the camera angle shifts and the emotional charge deflates
06Trial-consulting trick: make them feel clever
- Place two ideas in proximity with no explicit thread — the brain completes the connection and the believer owns the conclusion
- Two things worth teaching children: spotting ideas with no connecting thread, and rejecting any adult who asks them to keep a secret
07The 'They' game for teenagers
- Map what powerful actors consistently attack or suppress — then do the opposite as a baseline heuristic
- Vulnerability, prayer, real connection, healthy bodies, natural sexuality — the suppressed list is itself a syllabus
08Microdosing & the etheric mycelial network
- Seven years of consistent microdosing improved heart-head signal fidelity — knowing when to give, receive, and disengage
- Personal long-term data beats controlled-trial averages for individuals making their own health decisions
09Temporal-lobe seizures & foreign memories
- Five to ten seizures a day produced 60-90 second injections of coherent memories from apparent other lifetimes — with verifiable address and SSN
- The Tennessee woman seizure was later geolocated — not proof of reincarnation, but proof the data warrants serious investigation
10Sudden savant syndrome & the white-crow standard
- Acquired savant abilities appearing after brain injury collapse the locally-generated-consciousness model
- One confirmed white crow is logically sufficient to refute the universal claim — the standard matters more than the count
11Methylene blue + mushrooms = seizures gone in 4 days
- Seizures stopped within four days of combining methylene blue with a microdose — months later memories resorted
- Telomere data and brain-glucose normalization add mechanism to anecdote — this is a research lead, not a miracle
12Empathy & boundaries with annoying people
- Deepen empathy and keep boundaries simultaneously — being loving does not require becoming someone's rescuer
- Coaching a teenager: model the posture you want, do not just describe it
13Story archetypes — the persuasion master key
- Seven to eight archetypes are hardwired and pre-language — the audience completes the archetype from cues without being told the story
- Place archetype signals around a narrative and the audience writes their own verdict — that is the whole technique
14Why Epstein won't get the Spielberg ending
- Public craving for a monster-falls resolution is archetype-driven, not justice-driven — the actual pattern is tragic comedy
- Recognizing which archetype you are being steered toward is the first step to escaping its emotional pull
15Satan's Little Season & the missing 950 years
- Inserted-time theories and anomalous architecture are data points worth evaluating on evidence, not on social acceptability
- Calendar restructuring from 13-month to 12-month is a concrete historical anomaly that does not require a grand theory to notice
16Hermetic principles — All is Mind
- Mentalism and correspondence are the load-bearing principles — every psychedelic insight eventually maps onto one of the seven
- Knowing the framework makes novel experiences classifiable instead of overwhelming
17The dream-within-a-dream argument
- If in a dream the fireplace distance is made of you, and quantum mechanics shows non-local particle distribution, the boundary between dream and waking is not where we assume it is
- Non-local consciousness is the simpler model at this point, not the mystical one
18Five hours of intravenous DMT
- The 41st person to take five-hour IV DMT for neurogenesis on a documented 38%-non-functioning brain scan — the protocol exists and has data
- Private prayers for the heart and brain were the first order of business the entities addressed — the correspondence is data regardless of explanation
19Coming back & 'death by astonishment'
- Not wanting to return is a documented and consistent IV-DMT report — not a personal crisis, a repeatable data point
- DMT is endogenous and Schedule I simultaneously — the classification is the data point, not the drug
Terms worth knowing.
- PSYOP
- Short for psychological operation — a deliberate effort to influence what a target audience believes, feels, or decides, usually by shaping the information they encounter rather than confronting them directly.
- Trial consultant
- A specialist hired by attorneys to help shape how a case is presented to a jury, using behavioral science, persuasion, and narrative framing to make arguments land.
- Temporal lobe seizure
- A seizure originating in the brain's temporal lobe that often presents without convulsions, instead causing intense déjà vu, altered perception, loss of muscle control, and memory disturbances.
- Methylene blue
- A century-old synthetic dye now studied as a nootropic and mitochondrial enhancer, sometimes stacked with psychedelics for its effects on brain energy metabolism.
- Microdose
- A sub-perceptual dose of a psychedelic — typically around a tenth of a recreational dose — taken on a schedule for claimed cognitive, mood, or focus benefits without intoxication.
- Macrodose
- A full perceptual dose of a psychedelic intended to produce a noticeable altered state, in contrast to a sub-perceptual microdose.
- Sudden savant syndrome
- A rare condition in which a person abruptly develops advanced skills — fluency in a new language, musical ability, mathematical insight — after a brain injury or illness, with no prior training.
- Plato's allegory of the cave
- An ancient thought experiment in which prisoners chained inside a cave mistake shadows on a wall for reality, used to illustrate how people accept a constructed version of the world as truth.
- Story archetypes
- Recurring narrative patterns — the hero's journey, David and Goliath, the wounded healer, tragic comedy — that show up across cultures and eras because they map onto deep, predictable structures in how humans process meaning.
- Hero's journey
- A narrative arc in which a protagonist leaves the ordinary world, faces trials, undergoes transformation, and returns changed — a template Joseph Campbell identified across mythologies.
- Quantum neuropsychology
- An emerging field exploring whether quantum-mechanical effects, rather than purely classical chemistry, play a role in how the brain produces thought, memory, and consciousness.
- Seven hermetic principles
- Seven metaphysical laws drawn from the Kybalion — mentalism, correspondence, vibration, polarity, rhythm, cause and effect, and gender — used as a framework for interpreting reality and consciousness.
- Lucid dreaming
- Becoming aware that you are dreaming while still inside the dream, which can allow conscious control of the dream's contents.
- Galantamine
- A prescription drug used for Alzheimer's that is also taken by lucid-dreaming practitioners because it reliably intensifies REM sleep and dream recall.
- Materialist reductionism
- The scientific stance that any phenomenon can be fully explained by breaking it down into its smallest physical components, ignoring properties that only emerge at higher levels.
- Anunnaki
- Deities from ancient Sumerian mythology that, in modern fringe and esoteric retellings, are recast as a non-human race said to have interbred with early humans and influenced civilization.
- Nephilim
- A biblical term for the offspring of "sons of God" and human women, interpreted in some esoteric traditions as a hybrid bloodline that persists in elite ruling families.
- Tartaria
- An internet conspiracy framing that claims a vanished worldwide civilization with advanced architecture and free energy was erased from official history through a manufactured "dark ages."
- Mud flood
- A fringe theory that a global cataclysm buried the lower stories of old buildings under sediment, supposedly explaining why many historic structures appear to have basement-level windows now below grade.
- Gregorian calendar
- The 12-month solar calendar introduced under Pope Gregory XIII in 1582 and now in global civil use, replacing earlier calendar systems.
Things they pointed at.
08:55bookPlato — Allegory of the Cave
15:35channelAlan Watts (philosopher / quote source)
1:19:10toolGhislaine Maxwell forensic-facial-expert consult
1:21:40channelPaul Hobbs (Satan's Little Season researcher)
1:21:40channelAlex Zech podcast
1:30:00bookSeven Hermetic Principles (The Kybalion)
1:37:00channelAndrew Gallimore (DMT hyperspace researcher)
1:37:00productGalantamine (lucid-dreaming aid / Alzheimer's drug)
1:43:20channelTerence McKenna — 'death by astonishment'
1:44:40channelBrian Johnson (Don't Die / biohacker)
1:45:00productMomentous creatine monohydrate
1:47:30channelJP Sears
1:47:30channelTim Dillon
1:47:30channelEric Godsky — 'the death cookie'
1:48:00productChase Hughes — upcoming Virginia news channel (CIA-briefing format)
Lines you could clip.
00:00
“No matter what's on the news, my brain 100% registers it all as theater.”
00:14
“Anybody who thinks they're not susceptible to a SIOP is completely susceptible to a SIOP.”
00:22
“If politics was about results, it wouldn't require a lot of attention. It wouldn't require performance.”
15:35
“Almost all of our suffering comes from taking very seriously what God built for fun.”
25:00
“I can get you to do anything because I just get you to feel clever.”
27:00
“The two scariest things: two ideas with nothing between them, and any grown-up who asks you to keep a secret.”
34:10
“Just do the things the 'they' seem to hate, and you're gonna build an amazing life.”
1:10:20
“Your brain, when you go to deliberate, you think it's your decision. All you're doing is completing the story archetype.”
1:13:00
“All of us are deeply internally craving a Steven Spielberg ending for this shit.”
1:38:15
“The only way to enjoy anything is to forget that you are God.”
1:43:00
“DMT is big. It's big in a way that you cannot fathom, describe, comprehend, imagine, or even come close to understanding how big DMT is.”
1:45:20
“Look at the regrets of dying people. You will see the code to life.”
Where the conversation goes.
01:35 – 10:00densePolitical theater & SIOP susceptibility
10:00 – 36:00denseParenting through manipulation literacy
36:00 – 1:02:00denseMicrodosing & Chase's seizure history
1:02:00 – 1:20:00denseEmpathy, boundaries & story archetypes
1:20:00 – 1:29:00steadySatan's Little Season / inserted time
1:29:00 – 1:37:00steadyHermetic principles & dream-within-a-dream
1:37:00 – 1:44:00denseFive-hour intravenous DMT experience
1:44:00 – 1:47:00sparseMaxStack product pitch
1:47:00 – 1:48:24steadyChase's new news channel + sign-off
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00:00No matter what's on the news, my brain 100% . You had this great line.
00:07Anybody who thinks they're not susceptible to a SIOP is completely susceptible. If politics was about results, it wouldn't require a lot of attention.
00:16It wouldn't require performance. . We'll see how the season ends.
00:20We'll see how the, you know, the season finale. We've got understandings of psychology,
00:25sociology, therapy, hypnotherapy, neuroanatomy, brain science.
00:30And now the last four or five years, you've thrown yourself into psychedelics.
00:34My first mushroom journey was me trying to just process what consciousness is. I was having between five to 10 seizures a day. And these are temporal lobe seizures.
00:44You're not shaking or anything like that. You lose all muscle control. It's terrifying because, like, you're losing control of your whole entire body and your mind at the same time.
00:52It takes me three or four weeks to come back to normal. My seizures stopped within four days of taking methylene blue and mushrooms. Within just a few months, all my memories, like, re sorted themselves out.
01:04The most modern discoveries in quantum mechanics and quantum neuropsychology are starting to prove that our brains are quantum. Like, one third of the particles inside of our brain are existing in some other place.
01:15What the fuck is going on? Like, where the are we in reality? Even if it's just I know, I don't know.
01:21Here's the biggest one. If we can go on a little deep end tangent. Please.
01:24A little deeper than before.
01:42Last time we we did a podcast together, you had this great line. You're talking about anybody who thinks they're not susceptible to a SIOP is completely susceptible to a SIOP.
01:54Yeah. And I was thinking a lot about this as well because, you know, with the last election, it seemed that things were just so bad.
02:01Like when you have an understanding of SIOPs and and how we're being lied to and manipulated, the last administration was so bad.
02:10It was so egregious. I mean, it didn't even seem like our president was our president. They were changing bodies and faces and ear lobes and chins, and it was so fucking bizarre.
02:19So hoping that Trump could be somebody different, you know, with my, you know, with some serious caveats and reservations, I threw my support and energy and belief behind it hoping. And now I feel like, oh, I was completely psyoped. And I know that you had kind of I don't know if you still are, but for a time period, you were kind of in the, like, the outer inner circle, like going to Mar A Lago and getting invited to some of the think tank things and seem to have some interaction with Kash Patel and maybe Danny Bojjinga.
02:50I've never even know how to pronounce his name. But like, how are you feeling as a SIOP expert?
02:55Did you get a little SIOP? Did you get caught, or did you were you just going along for the to see what would happen, career aspirations and trajectory?
03:05Like, given what's happened with the administration, how are you feeling right now? Did you get hustled?
03:12I don't think I did. Only got involved with people that are adjacent to the administration through trial consulting.
03:22So it's not like they sought out me for any political Mhmm. Reason at all. But I have this thing in my brain where no matter what happens, no matter what's on the news, my brain 100% registers it all without any exception as theater.
03:42And there's no exception in my brain. Even if, like, there's real stuff going on, my brain registers it all as theater. And the one thing I I told my kids is if politics was about results, it wouldn't require a lot of attention.
03:57It wouldn't require performance and cameras and all this kind of stuff. They would just do the results, and and that would be important.
04:05So no matter what I see, and the moment I start to I hear something on the news, and I'll start to feel like, oh, shit. That's gonna be amazing.
04:14I get excited about it. That little part of my brain smacks it down and be like, that you're watching a play. You're watching a movie right now.
04:22And if you just kind of approach it from that angle, you're you're just kind of like, well, we'll see how the season ends. We'll see how the, you know, the season finale. Yes.
04:32And that's what it is. How long did that
04:35that kind of intellectual now into emotional process transformation take?
04:43From really like when you first recognize it? Because I think like Cal and I, like, oh, we know this is theater, but I still get caught up on like, damn it. Freely, come on.
04:52You know? Yeah.
04:54I think it it took maybe a year of just like only because I dug into it.
05:01So if you just read Plato, he warned us about all this shit Mhmm. So long ago.
05:07Plato invented the matrix. But you know the concept of the movie the matrix with the Plato's allegory of the cave. And that I have merch in our store, like one of our t shirts that we sell at my company has a a big logo on it right here that says Plato's cave search and rescue team.
05:27Yes. Just because I I kinda got addicted to I wanna wake as many people up as I can. Feels like and I don't say this like, oh, look how awake I am.
05:38Mhmm. I'm not awakened fully. I don't think there's anybody a 100% awakened or anything, but I just have this craving in me to dedicate the rest of my life to exposing the theater of it all, and we don't need to like expose a whole lot of people and name names and be one of those YouTubers who pisses people off and leaves you upset about stuff.
06:00But just exposing like all if you go back to one quote from Alan Watts, and I have no idea what the your question even was that I'm answering right now, but the you the how long did the genesis take in your own
06:13Yeah. Mind and demeanor before? Like, I understand we're living in theater to like now being completely emotionally objective and not getting caught up.
06:23You said about a year. Yeah. Yeah.
06:25And I've never put a bumper sticker on any of my vehicles, but I did finally about a month ago.
06:30And it's an Alan Watts quote. It says, almost all of our suffering comes from .
06:42And I think that's that's the real thing. Like, if if somebody is actually awakening, there's no moment of enlightenment where you feel better than anybody. You just be like, wow.
06:51And you kind of feel a little embarrassed. Like, I took all that shit so seriously. I thought everything was such a big deal.
06:59I thought I was such a big deal. Look how special I am. Mhmm.
07:03And then you just it's so relaxing. I think it's peaceful, but it's I think it's boring at first.
07:08Yeah. I agree. I think in my just journey, and certainly not to where you are with the theater, I can bite for it a little bit.
07:19And also the the the kind of overcorrection is like, this is all a fucking joke. There's know, so you can get a little bit negative about it.
07:29And I think where I've landed is, holy fuck, this is so interesting. And and what I try to remind my friends that are in the inquiry of, you know, certainly with your work and what the fuck is going on, it's like, yeah, it's it's like, let's not take it too seriously.
07:45Like, what a timeline that we're in right now. Holy shit. Everything is getting exposed.
07:51And instead of going down into the darkness, which I know you and I have talked about going down these rabbit holes, like it's dark, and I think it's necessary to explore them. But to live there, you will just see darkness everywhere.
08:05But just to get like what you need and pop out of it, and then just watch it all unfold, and allow everyone to be where they're at, and through conversations like this, try to meet different people where they're at to further expose what's going on so that they can eventually live in this this orientation that, okay.
08:26Like, let's just be love and light. Like, let's not come in, again, too negative on this stuff.
08:32Mean, I some people you do need to shake their shoulders a little bit and be like, dude, what the fuck? How do you not see this? But also it's I think it's fascinating.
08:43And, yeah, there's a lot of dark shit out there. There are people that are being manipulated just like we have been throughout the course of our lives.
08:54And yeah, there's this moment like, wow, what a fucking idiot. I believed all this stuff.
09:00Then when you thought it was all real. When you can see the humor in it and just laugh at yourself, like Yeah. Holy shit.
09:06The hard part is children, man. It's like,
09:09you know, you've got you've got two teenagers still.
09:15Three. Three. Yeah.
09:16So
09:17Well, you asked this question Yeah. Talked we talked about this at men's group, but I I can kind of do my spiel in a minute. But how do you the whole, even though it might have been false, the the fabric and foundation of society that we could have some stable footing of.
09:34Like when we were all kids, you know, we might have thought our government was scummy, but we didn't necessarily now have evidence that there's psychotic baby eating occultists, you know, who gather for sex and blood ritual.
09:48You know? How do you talk to your teenagers about the world that we're living in? You know?
09:53Like, how how are you counseling and advising them? I'd love to I'm sure a lot of parents would love to hear that.
10:01So I I brought them up with one big question in their head about other when it comes to other human beings. So every time we encountered any situation, I would ask them, what does that person want me to think about them?
10:20So what what do they want to show? Mhmm. And then that was until they were about nine years old.
10:25So they would see bumper stickers on the back of some Subaru or something with Marathon running and like Ron John Surf Shop and all those kind of Yeah. Oh, yeah. All that kind of stuff.
10:36And I and I'd ask my daughter like, what what do they want us to think based on this? What does the car want us to think? Not what is it telling us.
10:44What does it want us to think? Those are two different things. So my daughter would be like, well, I run marathons.
10:51I'm healthy. I go surfing, and it talks about communities, the fraternity they were in.
10:57And so it says I make good friends. I have good friends. I'm in a lot of communities, and it also means I'm a nice person, and I'm gonna be a good friend to you, and I'd like to be a friend to somebody.
11:09And then I 10, 11 years old, we kept going, and like, what would they be afraid of if that was true?
11:17And that's question number two. And then you start seeing so you cannot help but have empathy if you start seeing the world that way unless you're a psychopath.
11:28Like, you're seeing it in everybody else, but not yourself. So, like, in the first stages of their life, it's what is what is that thing or that person want me to to feel about them? It's like somebody walking through an airport with really obnoxious loud clothing on.
11:43What do they want me to think? Not I need attention. That's not what they want you to think.
11:49That's what that's saying. Right? So the difference is, I I need attention, or I want you to pay attention to me.
11:57And what is that what would they be afraid of if that were true is question number two. So the the way you would answer that is like, well, what if they didn't if I didn't think what he wanted, that would mean what for them?
12:10That would mean isolation, being ignored, and ultimately being lonely.
12:16So we see somebody like that that has this loud shit on in an airport that's kind of annoying at first, and then you realize this is a fear of loneliness.
12:27And all of a sudden you see yourself. You see the loneliness that you're trying to hide, that you hide from your friends. You see the shame that you conceal from from everybody when you're on Zoom meetings or at work, and you're just like, holy shit.
12:42Everybody's suffering. Everyone's suffering. And I think it gives you a tremendous amount of empathy.
12:48The second level of this is just having your kids get into the mindset of being able to zoom out and teaching your kids as early as possible about camera angle.
13:02So, like, if I can just move your camera and drastically change your perspective of situation, I can fix PTSD.
13:12That's what fixes PTSD. That's why people go on a giant mushroom journey or a psychedelic journey, and they're like, wow, my PTSD is gone.
13:20It's perspective shifting is the only thing that really happens there. So we have like loneliness, depression, PTSD, getting pissed off at the world, like you wanna tell your friends it's not a big deal, like focus, like focus on the good things.
13:37If you just shift perspective, you can solve so many problems that that people have, and teaching your kids to grab their little camera and be aware, cognizant of I'm looking at this from this little angle right here.
13:51I'm zoomed in on one little fiber of this carpet right here. When if I just took your camera and zoomed out like you do on Google Maps to where you can see the stars, like, behind the the planet and stuff, that that fiber is not important anymore. Like, start to see, oh, it's not a big deal.
14:10So it's it's all about not just zooming out, but viewing something from a more mature perspective, even if it's in your past. Like, that thing happened to you in middle school.
14:20I got kicked in the balls from a lot of kids in middle school, and it was really embarrassing, and I feel like that permanently scarred me. But just going back and kind of revisiting that from a mature perspective, the perspective shift is the only thing that needs to change.
14:33You don't need to like drop a backpack full of trauma and and drop it on the ground. If I just teach my kids and my friends maybe to change perspective, and that they are in control of perspective, you can make such a shift in people's lives.
14:48That was a super long answer to your question. And I think the follow-up would be,
14:52because this is this pertains to what you're bringing up, what about your your kid's friends who are coming to you and they're like, okay, dude. What the fuck is going on?
15:03And they're living in a home that maybe still believes this is not theater, this is all like, yeah, the government's taking care of you and the FDA's taking care of you and everyone's got your best interest in mind. How do you kind of plant seeds for them because they're they're seeing something in you that is more resonant?
15:22They don't quite understand it because they've been brainwashed, let's How do you start to open that up in a in a kind of intentional way where you're not breaking their brain when they're not quite ready for it even though that may be the best thing to happen.
15:40Yeah.
15:41I would and I have done this with some of my kids' friends, and it's just the same question.
15:48You're just taking it on a larger scale. You're saying like when you consume this media or when you watch this thing, just teaching them to ask themselves the question like, what do they want me to believe right now?
16:01What are they asking me to believe, and what's the assumption that's being made right now? And typically what I'll teach my kids friends is the way I'm a trial I work as a trial consultant, which is where a lot of my income comes from.
16:16I know nothing about the law for the record here.
16:20But when it happen when this happens, the way that I am able to win trials, and the way that you can persuade anybody if you're a leader or a boss, is .
16:36That's it. Mhmm. So I'll have one idea here and one idea here, and I'll I'll get your brain to think, oh, you know what?
16:45I bet those things . And if I can get you to feel clever, then you will automatically accept the idea because it came from within.
16:57Anything that comes from within our own mind, we cannot resist. Mhmm. So all I have to get you to do is adopt this new belief without telling you what to think.
17:07It's exactly the same as when you're watching the news and they're like, a local Austin woman found missing today. Neighbors report that earlier today she was seen arguing with her boyfriend. Details after the break.
17:19But then like you're watching that and you're like, oh, I know what happened. And you get that little moment of feeling clever just because these two little details get put in front of you.
17:29And if you can do that in life, you can get people to do a lot.
17:34But so instead of doing this to those kids, I'm teaching the kids about when there's two pieces of information and there's no string between them. They make you put the string between the ideas.
17:46That should terrify you, and that should be very scary. The only two things I ever told my kids should terrify them. Number one, when you have two ideas and nothing in between them, and you your brain starts putting them together, number one.
17:59And number two is if any grown up in the world ever asks you to keep a secret.
18:06Can you can you expand upon the first one where there's two ideas and and there's not a thread between them?
18:15Yeah. Flush that out for me a little bit. Yeah.
18:18So
18:19just like the news thing. So if someone says this geopolitical conflict is happening, at the same time they're saying that this person is in trouble in this country, and you're not getting a string between them.
18:36Mhmm. But they they're pushing the ideas close enough together where you're like, oh, I bet this Saudi prince was involved with this attack on this one thing. Just because, you know, ideas are always magnetic, especially if they have any anything in common.
18:53So I get any two ideas close enough to each other, they become magnetic in your brain, but you're the one that assembles them. Okay. So basically what you're saying is that's that's classic media manipulation?
19:04Yes. So you're you're teaching your kids to be aware of media manipulation? Yeah.
19:08It's classic manipulation for everything. Yeah. In courtrooms
19:11Right. You could win a lot of trials just getting good at that one skill. Right.
19:17I had an interesting moment with the my 17 year old was over with four or five friends, and they were all talking about the Epstein files and and the, you know, at the time of this shooting, we're in, I don't know, the fifteenth or sixteenth day of this Iran war, and all the kids were talking about it.
19:34And, you know, I asked the kids.
19:37I'm like, alright. So because they they because they said to me, one of the kids is like, what do we do? Like, you know, we're we're juniors.
19:44We're about to be seniors. Like, we play football. Like, we're looking at colleges.
19:47Like like, what do we do? And I was like, well, interesting time to be alive.
19:53That's for sure. Like the foundations that generations before you could stand upon, even if they were false, there was firm footing there, you know, and we could build a life. And now you're like walking on .
20:06And everywhere you step, it's unstable, and it's tittering and tottering. I'm like and there really seems to be like a they. You know?
20:12So there there's the proverbial they, there really seems to be a they. Yeah. So I asked the kids, I'm like, what is it that the they seem to hate?
20:20Because they seem to definitely hate certain things and point wanna point you in certain ways. So like, what do they hate? And the kids are like I'm like, do they seem to hate like vulnerability and authenticity?
20:31Because they certainly want you stuck on your phones all the time. They're like, yeah. So I'm like, well, they do they do they seem to love God, or do they seem to hate God?
20:39They're like, well well, they seem to kinda hate God. Like, do they seem to love prayer and meditation, or they seem to hate it? They're like, well, they seem to hate that.
20:47Do they do they want you having like authentic and real connections? Like, with friends and some of them? No.
20:54They kind of want us on our phones. I'm like, right. Right.
20:56Do they want you watching pornography or having like natural romantic relationships where your sexuality can evolve? They're like, no. They kind of want us watching pornography.
21:06I'm like, right. Do they want you healthy and robust, or do they want you kind of sickly and stupid? They're like, no.
21:13Sick. So I was like making those connections. I'm like, so if you just do the things as a young person that the they seem to hate, you're gonna build an amazing life.
21:24Like, you're gonna have authentic connection. You're gonna know when to put your friend you know, your phone down and really connect with your peers and your friends. You're gonna put down pornography and you're gonna have like natural romantic relationships where your sexuality can involve without some false expectation of what sexuality is supposed to be.
21:39You know, you're gonna eat foods that feel good and natural to your body. You're gonna have clean water and like just embrace your youth. Fully embrace your youth and literally think of the system, the they, and all the things that they want you to do and kind of just do the opposite, and you're going to fucking rock your teenage years.
21:58And until the world completely blows up, go ahead and try to be an all state football player or great at lacrosse or, you know, whatever your aspirations are, fully engage in them, you know. And it was it was a real like revelation for the kids. But part of it was there.
22:13Like, I was questioning them, and they were they were putting the pieces together. Like, there really is a they, just think of the things that all that they want you to do and the things that they seem to hate and just go the other way.
22:25You need to make that into like a one page PDF. Oh. That would be such a great infographic to kind of visually show all of those things.
22:34Yeah. I'll have my team do it actually. I'll have just give me a list, and I'll have my team put a really cool graphic together.
22:43You know what's interesting? Wanted to ask you too. This is like shamelessly self serving, but product bumps.
22:48Serve away. No. But my I'm 55.
22:54And but like seven years of microdosing have totally transformed the way that I think and draw connection and see the threads that you're talking about.
23:06Like so and you're such an interesting guy. So first, know, like kind of like, you know, school of hard knocks. You're in the military as a young person.
23:13You had some like ridiculous thing that happened. I remember you told me where you you were college bound, and then something happened in high school, and you got thrown way off track over something that was really kind of stupid. So military, and then you you find this aspiration, this great interest in in in brain study, and then you become self educated going through traditional, nontraditional avenues, become this world class brain expert.
23:36So you've got understandings of psychology, sociology, you know, therapy, hypnotherapy, neuroanatomy, brain science.
23:46You're a leader. And now the last four or five years, you've thrown yourself into psychedelics.
23:52Yeah. Like, how has talk to us about what the psychedelics at the macro and micro dosing level have kind of done to transform your brain, your thought processes, your even your emotional you know, going from intellectual understanding to emotional resonance.
24:10Yeah. Because I found that microdosing has totally helped with the intellectual understanding to emotional resonance. Like what you had said about witnessing theater to fully like emotionally understanding this is theater, and I'm not going to get too caught up.
24:22I think over time my first mushroom journey was me trying to just process what consciousness is, and I was having between five to 10 seizures a day, and these are temporal lobe seizures.
24:41So to kind of give you a brief glimpse of what a temporal lobe seizure is, you're not shaking or anything like that. You're just kind of like like you're you lose all muscle control, like you just got injected with a paralytic.
24:54That's terrifying because like you're losing control of your whole entire body and your mind at the same time. And the very beginning of it, it's like a roller coaster sensation.
25:05Like, you're just sitting there talking at dinner or something, and it's like roller coaster sensation, and then deja vu that is so powerful that it feels like everyone in the entire room is setting you up.
25:17Like they all everyone in the room has access to your memories, and they're doing something to you on purpose. Mhmm. And then then the seizure starts, and that's like two seconds long.
25:27It's just a really rapid downhill. And the seizure is sixty to ninety seconds, but in that sixty to ninety seconds you're going to it's like massive psychedelics almost, and in some of these seizures I I have you're getting memories.
25:47Let's say you're getting memories from like 35 people's different lives over the course of like thirty five years, and they're randomly like, we have our memories are a little file cabinet. During the seizure, all of those memories from other some other people's life, other person's life is getting put into your files, and all of your folders are getting full of these false memories.
26:10And then so if you just if I just have one seizure, it takes me three or four weeks to come back to normal where I'll remember doing something that never happened in my life.
26:23And then several times I had this one seizure that was recurring where I would look down.
26:30I have memories of looking down and seeing breasts and being a woman, and I remember I took it somehow out of the seizure one time, because seizures come with amnesia.
26:43But I know this woman's social security number. I know her phone number, her street address. I have memories of her being lonely.
26:51Me it's me. I remember vacuuming my house, and my wife and I actually went there in in Tennessee, and
27:01it it's that was my house. Well, you went to you you you visited the home? Yeah.
27:05Because I've been I think I mentioned this briefly in the last podcast we all did together. I've been in the like literally the immediate aftermath of when you had your first seizure in I think eighteen months or two years was when we went out for your dinner Yeah. At your birthday and it's a there's a vibration coming off you, this disorientation.
27:24It's like terrifying and heart wrenching to be around. But when we sat down at dinner and you were kind of integrating a little bit, you were talking about the yellow sweeping the floor. You were in a nineteen seventies kitchen.
27:35You were sweeping the floor. You were a woman, and you recalled the yellow post it note on the old pull lever refrigerator, and you literally knew the numbers.
27:49It was a phone number. Mhmm. And we we and the person we left it in with, Rosie, wrote down the phone number, she actually tried to call it.
27:56But then you went even deeper, and you you recalled the, like, street address and location. So is that the home from that seizure that you went back to? Yes.
28:03Yeah. Same one. Like, third party validation, like, totally real, fucking terrifying.
28:07But
28:08I don't claim that it's some past life. I don't claim you know, I mean, I don't have access to the records or anything, but like I remember being in that house even when we when we looked at it.
28:20And I don't I don't claim to know what that is. I think the more certainty somebody has around this shit, the more full of shit they are. Mhmm.
28:27I don't know what that is, and like just trying to explain reality itself is hard enough, much less this break from reality. So that was a super long way to just say that I I wanted to start I wanted to do some psychedelics so I can kind of like access that state on demand and kind of start exploring what is consciousness.
28:50Because I just reading about people that get sudden savant syndrome. Have you ever heard of this? Mhmm.
28:56Or somebody get in a car accident or something or fall off a ladder, and all of a sudden they don't speak English anymore, and they speak fluent French, and they can play the cello. Mhmm.
29:07I would I would love for any scientist in the world to explain how that's possible, and there are thousands of cases. And if there's a if there's a theory that we generate our own consciousness, and we we generate our own memories, and we don't have access to some collective field.
29:25This is a mountain of stuff that says otherwise, a mountain. So if somebody has a theory that all crows are black, how many white crows would it take to fully and completely obliterate that theory?
29:39Yeah. It would only take one. One.
29:40And there's not just one single piece of proof. There's just a massive mountain of it just that we don't know what consciousness is. So I got curious about it, and my seizures stopped within four days of taking methylene blue and and mushrooms, and it was just a regular microdose.
30:01And within just a few months, all of my memories like resorted themselves out like my file clerk. It felt like every time I was doing any journey or something that the file clerk would kind of go down there and take take some hours and hours and go through everything and figure out, oh, that one's not Chase's memory. I'm gonna throw it out.
30:19This one's Chase's. I'm gonna file it up and to kind of get organized again. And I think over time, it's just the level of empathy that I developed.
30:29Mhmm. I was I don't want to say narcissistic, but I was very self centered, and I was very much purchased in, invested in the idea of separation.
30:41Mhmm. That I'm separate from you, that we're not connected in any way. I need to be better than other people.
30:48I want to compete in business instead of collaborate, and that's how I started my civilian careers in that kind of that mindset, and I'm so grateful that I just had access to this stuff.
31:03And I mean, even Johns Hopkins is calling it like the most effective drug they ever tested. Mhmm. I'm probably paraphrasing poorly, but if you just look at the results, it's the most effective psychotherapy drug ever tested in the world.
31:17Yeah.
31:18New thing too with this Russian mice study where it increased telomere length by 30% as well. Really? Yes.
31:25And then Brian Johnson, you know, the kind of, like, self promoting biohacker, he did a brain analysis on glucose that we did a full brain analysis.
31:35And even though his glucose levels were, like, in the top 1%, like, his blood sugar corrected over the course of a six hour five gram mushroom journey from like what would be somebody who's diabetic to completely nondiabetic. So they even think it can correct like blood sugar levels and so forth.
31:53It could be a diabetes cure. Wow. It was crazy.
31:56Yeah. I had no idea. Yeah.
31:58And this is psilocybin. This is psilocybin.
32:01This is this is psilocybin. Yeah. I found that I the I have this thing that I talk about, the the kind of etheric mycelial network, which is the connection from my heart and like my head and making authentic connection.
32:17And over the seven years of microdosing, like, those fibers are just so much more pronounced and clear. And and like I know when to give. I know when to receive.
32:24I know when the receptors are just not hitting. You know, they're hitting kind of stone. Yeah.
32:28Which is something I wanted to ask you about with young kids because you know, as a as a as a conscientious dad raised you know, who's like highly sees the world and all this charade of insanity that's kind of parade and charade of insanity that's happened before us. So if if you can deepen your kids' empathy so like my my son, my my 14 year old son, there's a kid at school who is so self promoting and so threatened by other people's excellence and size and physicality, and he's always like messing with and testing.
33:01And so I've gotten my son to like deepen his empathetic thinking like, okay. Why is what's driving this behavior? Why is this person like this?
33:09You know, what do you think is going on in their home? So like he's deepened his empathy, and he doesn't have like the rage or the anger. But like, what does he do about somebody when somebody's still so fucking annoying?
33:18So when somebody's so crippled by their own vanity and insecurity, and especially as a young person, like, they're just vomiting that all over you on a daily basis, the part that I fell short on is like, I can help him deepen his perspective and his empathy, but I didn't know, like, I can't tell him to go up and give another 14 year old a hug in the middle of school.
33:34Like, that's not necessarily gonna work. So what's your like, what's your advice on when you when you pull the camera out and your children now have the deeper perspective, but they're still dealing with another annoying teenager?
33:46Like, how do they handle that?
33:49I I actually have a thought because I think the same thing holds true. I'd be curious to to get your thoughts as well, Chase. For adults Mhmm.
33:57It's I think it comes down to boundaries, and there are different levels to where he should let that kid in.
34:04He can still be loving and kind and not his best friend, and then just keep him at a distance.
34:12And I think part of that awareness for the other kid is maybe he needs to reorient and it it I don't know.
34:22I think there I've made the mistake in the past of I mean, I've certainly been like that, like fuck that guy. Right?
34:30And then I've been like, oh, this poor guy, okay, let me be there and like try to be a good friend. And then I let them in too far, and then I get, you know, I don't wanna say I get taken advantage of because I'm actually very active in in that relationship, and so that's on me to to not have the discernment about where does this person actually fit in my world.
34:58Yeah. And so I think it can be very much an empowering thing
35:03to be aware of those things, be curious, be loving and empathetic as you said Yeah. But also like not trying to fucking rescue or save anybody. Well, mean, as adults, we can as adults, we can kind of we can let the cat out of the bag, we can talk about it.
35:17But like what's a trick for a 14, 15, or 16 year old who's like who's in a very kind of hot testosterone like interaction with somebody where they're just vomiting their insecurity and bragging and all how would you advise a 14 or 17 year old to kind of handle that when they're in that type of situation?
35:38What's the technique point? Same as an adult.
35:41One word, archetypes. Understanding story archetypes.
35:47There's only about seven or eight, some say 12 story archetypes that are woven into our DNA, and our brains haven't changed in two hundred thousand years.
35:57So like the archetype of the wounded healer, the savior, the victim, the tragedy mindset, the the broken hero, the dark hero.
36:11So, like, there's some, like, basic story archetypes, and no matter what you look at, whether it's Toy Story or It or The Dark Knight, they're following these identical things that have been told from time immemorial before recorded history.
36:26These stories were kind of passed down and told. That's why they stick with us. That's why you haven't seen a new story archetype.
36:34Mhmm. Like, you don't see Hollywood come up with it, oh, guess what we did. No.
36:38It's the same stuff because that's what resonates with our the lowest most powerful parts of our brain. So and I'll take this back to court just really quick to show you.
36:50If I'm if I'm trying to persuade a jury, and let's say I'm working and my client is suing a big company, the client that I'm working for. They're suing a a big company.
37:02I don't have to mention David and Goliath. I might just mention a few topics about it to put the archetype of of David and Goliath in your head. Mhmm.
37:13And then I might mention a couple of times when you're waiting in line at the DMV for hours and hours and hours, and every other little situation where there's a big company who doesn't give a shit about you. And then I'll mention walking down the hill to fight a battle.
37:28I'll never say David and Goliath directly, but I'll put that story front and center in your mind. And if I can if I get you to see that this is David and Goliath, that has a beginning and an end.
37:39I'm not putting you at the end. I I never I never ever ever talk about how the story ends because your brain already knows. I'm talking about this is the moment that this occurs.
37:53So your brain, when you go to deliberate in the jury room, you think that it's your decision, but all you're doing is . So that's the natural resolution.
38:05So if you if you know the story archetype, and I can I can change your view of a situation to see it as a certain archetype, I can I can make you do anything because it's the natural next step in the story?
38:19So what this means in conversation is I've got this friend who is bitching and complaining and all that kind of stuff. My initial response is gonna be to kind of, hey, man.
38:30It's not that bad, or kind of maybe back away from which is great. Like, just spend less time with them and figure out a way to get them at their best.
38:39So that's what I always say to people with you got negative family members or something. Figure out a way to only be there when they're at their best, But you have to understand that this person is in an in a story arc, and they're in a hero's journey of their own.
38:56But he might be or she is in this little victim story, and what they're doing to you by like pulling you down is pissing you off because it's pulling you out of your story arc.
39:09You wanna be successful. You wanna be confident. You wanna be happy, and then you're trying to bring them up.
39:14Guess what you're doing? You're pulling them out of their story arc. So the first thing you need to do is understand that like they're in an archetype.
39:23Mhmm. So if somebody is in this like downtrodden, beat down kind of mindset, they're in some kind of story.
39:31It might be a tragedy, but it might be a case of redemption. Then maybe the next chapter for them is when they learn the magic lesson or something, but it's never gonna be in the school hallway. It's not gonna be over a brunch or something where they get a piece of information.
39:45It's gonna be it has to be a transition because that's what the movies tell us. And you see all this shit with with Epstein, and everybody's upset with Epstein. Why?
39:54Because all of us are deeply internally craving a for this shit.
40:03We think that we need this we need the the story archetype to completely unfold. Big evil monster, and then big evil monster's friends, and then every movie we've ever seen in our entire life completes that story archetype with some big nasty thing happening to all of them and them all disappearing like the terminators.
40:24But what we don't realize is that those archetypes are wired into our brain, number one, without language. It's just the story can be in your brain without any any words.
40:34The story's still there. And two, that governs how we all of our shoulds, like they should be punished.
40:42They should go to jail. This should happen. Our shoulds are typically governed by little story arcs that we don't realize are playing out in our own mind.
40:52So that's a lot of like what we're seeing now. We don't get the Spielberg ending. Mhmm.
40:57And that's a hard right. That's the difficult part is that lack of resolution,
41:01and people can see how they want it to end. And so the more they want it to end like that, the less likely it's going to end like that.
41:09Right? Because we are creating this whole And so so the people listening now who are ready to like get the bad guys, have them, you know, with their pound of flesh, which clearly I think in our experience with people that are very high powered, it's never going to end that way.
41:28They're either going to get you know, fakely unalived and brought somewhere and other actors are going to be in.
41:37There's a lot of that going on right now, which I think is pretty new for people to understand, certainly for me. Like, oh shit. Like these people may not have died, and they may be taken somewhere.
41:51Yeah.
41:51And so I hired a forensic facial expert to look at one of these things of Ghislain Maxwell.
42:00There is someone from Canada where somebody walked past her and said Ghislain, and she turned. She was in Canada. She had a hat on like on a street in Quebec.
42:06I haven't seen that. Oh. That was some of the lady that they brought up to
42:10be questioned. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
42:11With the fat nose and different ears and everything. Yeah. And it show so this woman was we we did this whole interview for a YouTube video, and it's so controversial I decided I'm not gonna make a video about it.
42:24But I don't know. I'm not I'm no expert, so I called this this woman, and she said the ears are just like fingerprints, and you can't change your ears, and you can't change your fingerprints.
42:36And she said this is a different person, and I don't claim to be an expert on it, but that's that's terrifying and hilarious at the same time.
42:48It's just like the tragic comedy archetype. We think we're in the redemption thing where the bad guy goes to jail.
42:55We're in I think this is like the tragic comedy story. We're in the wrong we're thinking of the wrong
43:01story type. Are you familiar with the concept of Satan's little season? No.
43:06Okay. So the idea is that basically I just love having him here. He comes in with these just So the the idea is that we we had about nine hundred to a thousand years inserted into our timeline, that the whole notion of the dark ages is complete fallacy.
43:24And it was basically done to steal property, to create new power centers.
43:32So the concept of Satan's little season little season is that Christ, about fifty years, came back after his birth, resurrection, then ascension, and then came after crucifixion, and then resurrection, and ascension came back, and then there was the what's called the millennial reign.
43:51And the millennial reign was about a thousand years of peace and prosperity. That's where we get Tartarian buildings. That's why all these capitals and that have this extraordinary architecture that just doesn't make any sense when you really look at it in terms of time, place, capacities, workforce, population sizes.
44:09Like, none of our none of the major capitals throughout The United States and most of the world make any sense when you realize the means of the means of architecture, the comparative architecture styles with the main buildings versus the dwellings where most people live. Wow. Like, it just doesn't make any sense.
44:23You can go to Chicago with a new set of eyes. We both spent a lot of time in Chicago. Like, it's unbelievable.
44:29I mean, you know, the the Museum of Art, the Museum of Industry, I mean, just doesn't make any sense given how far they had to go. So the idea is that Christ survived. He had a millennial reign of a thousand years.
44:41This was Tartaria, free energy, and so forth, and all these buildings. And then right about 1776
44:47Is this in another dimension or are they saying this happened here? This happened here. Then in 1776,
44:52the millennial reign ended and the little season began. And this is two hundred and fifty years where Satan has the run of the land and the rule of the land, and everything's inverted.
45:03So we live in an inverted world where, you know, corruption is rewarded, and there's a there's a YouTube guy, scholar, podcaster named Paul Hobbs, who was actually on Alex Zech's podcast, really went into the whole little season.
45:19And gosh, does it make sense that they basically fake the dark ages in order to totally disorient us in this world. Yeah. Humans.
45:27Yeah. Humans fake the dark ages, and that basically time has happened much faster.
45:32I mean, you think about it in some ways, could humans really have nine fifty years where we just don't evolve at all, where we just stay completely the same? There's just no evolution in thought, technology, art.
45:44Nothing happens. And so we are now towards the end of the two hundred and fifty year millennial reign, which is why all this evil is getting exposed, and the inversion is becoming so apparent to us because Satan's little season is coming to a close and this So this year would be the end?
46:00Pretty yeah. Pretty much like it's Like literally, yes. It's two hundred fifty years since then, and so there's some buffering and doesn't actually happen like at but but yeah.
46:11In this
46:13I've never heard any of this. Oh, it's it's really interesting. It's really, really rich.
46:17And when you combine it with some of these like modern architectural analysis that's going on, the possibility of a mud flood, how so many of these significant buildings, the basements are actually normal stories of windows that that were buried under a mud flood.
46:32Yeah. Like, there's there's some real evidence that this shit was completely real. The changing of our calendar from a thirteen month, twenty eight day.
46:40Like, our calendar makes no sense. Like, November. You know?
46:44Nine months is actually the eleventh month of the year. December 10 is the twelfth month of the year.
46:53Sept, seven is the '9 you know, the ninth month of the year that everything's been inverted, oct.
47:00You know? October is should be '9. It's the tenth.
47:03You know? It's like, October should be '8, and it's the tenth. Everything's been inverted.
47:07And if you look at our calendar with the jumbling of twenty eight days, thirty days, thirty one days, there's it works out perfectly to twenty eight days that have been inserted into the calendar. So we naturally should have had a thirteen month calendar. Every Monday starts the same, you know, holidays, worship, timing of crops and harvesting seasons, everything was menstruation.
47:31Everything was completely organized. With thirteen months. With twenty eight months.
47:35You have twenty eight days. Okay. So everything in this realm has been inverted, that we're living in this inversion.
47:42Which if you think about like corruption gets rewarded, it's inversion, you know. I just saw a new thing from Florida where Epstein seemed to be driving in a brand new big convertible BMW. Somebody pulled up next to him, and they're like, what the fuck?
47:55Which would make perfect sense because he was in Israel before, and Israel's getting bombed now. So now, you know, you know, he would be in Florida. He's headed back to Tampa.
48:03Yeah. He's headed back to back to Florida.
48:06What insights have you What is this calendar thing? Is it called the is it a Gregorian?
48:12The Gregorian calendar, which supposedly like in the year 1345, Pope Gregory basically needed to find a way to disorient the pagan organization of the world, insert the Roman Catholicism, which was basically just a mechanism so the ancient families of Rome could find a new way to lord and rule over the world, you know, which is goes back to the 13 ruling families and like the kind of deep, deeper conspiracy, which I don't think is any real area of your expertise, we should kind of what what I kind of want to drive at is like like, so you've done all this traditional brain work, all this traditional academic study, all this outside of academic channel study, all this business and life experience, now coaching experience, and now you've added these deep, deep psychedelic explorations where you're a leader in the field of kind of psychedelic research and personal experimentation, like what the fuck is going on?
49:08Where the fuck are we? What instrument In reality? What have you Even if it's just, I know, I don't know, what are some insights and revelations that you've kind of had as you've moved from traditional course of study into this now
49:24area of psychedelic expertise? Every single thing that I've ever seen in quantum mechanics, science, every lesson I've ever learned on a journey, and every lesson I've ever even heard about or or even that exists in research that people learn on on like these deep psychedelic experiences goes back to the the seven hermetic principles.
49:48And every time there's a breakthrough Can you can you just do them real quick for our audience? I don't I don't have them memorized.
49:54Just The first two are the most important though. The first one is all is mind. The universe is mental.
50:04Law number two is the law of correspondence. This is as above so below. Mhmm.
50:08Oh, yeah. So here's my spiel, and I and I'm not married to this idea, and I don't I don't subscribe to any one idea.
50:16I just think it's very interesting. That if you're in a dream right now, and you're let's say you're dreaming that you're in this room, the distance from you to that fireplace is probably 17 feet.
50:31Right? But what is the distance in your and in the dream, you're looking through your eyes, but the eyes that you're seeing with in the dream do not exist.
50:44But why can't you make a decision to see out of your stomach in your dream?
50:49You force yourself to look out of your eyes. And also as a fun fact, nobody dreams about cell phones. Nobody
50:59ever. Wait. Oh, yeah.
51:02Wait.
51:03Let That's
51:05a whole another theory. Let's let's pin in that one because I wanna come back to that. Let's come back to that.
51:11Alright. So you're in the dream. The distance from you to this fireplace, 14 feet, but in the dream, this distance is made out of what?
51:22What is the material that makes up this distance between you and the fireplace in real life? If you're looking in reality, there is no distance. Right?
51:32So the fireplace is not real, but what about the the you that's looking at the fireplace in the dream? Also not real.
51:39Right. But what is this fireplace made out of if you're dreaming? It's made out of you.
51:47Everything is recursive back to some point of consciousness. Does this make sense so far?
51:52Yeah. So there is no such thing as distance in a dream because everything that I'm looking at in the dream is made out of chase. Mhmm.
52:00This is all me. So the all is mind in the dream. Does this make sense so far?
52:06Mhmm. And if anyone's ever into lucid dreaming or trying to get into lucid dreaming, it's like you can explore consciousness that way big time.
52:16And there's a there's a supplement called galantamine, which is all also a prescription Alzheimer's drug, which is like 100% guaranteed lucid dreaming.
52:25The one piece of advice I would give people if you're trying to go into lucid dreaming is do not use the toilets. They don't work because you'll piss the bed.
52:38Oh, that's interesting.
52:40Don't use the toilets in a lucid dream.
52:45Okay. So let's say we're in that dream space. The separation is an illusion in the dream.
52:54So the separation between me and this microphone is just something that's fabricated through consciousness because that's me.
53:02If I'm dreaming right now, this is me. You're me. You're me.
53:06The separation is an illusion. So when we say as above, so below, what if we took that dream world, an individual dreaming, and then took it up to a collective dream?
53:20So what if that's just a a layer below, and this is just the next layer of it? So just the thought that there are doors here, and tables, and carpet, and all this stuff might just be consciousness, and that is like the most modern discoveries in quantum mechanics and quantum neuropsychology are starting to prove that our brains are quantum.
53:45Like, one third of the atoms or particles inside of our brain are gone at any given time, like 24 a day.
53:53One third of them are existing in some other place. And then what about the material realm? Because you have hands in your dream, but the hand doesn't exist.
54:04But in the dream you can touch it. You can squeeze it. You can test it.
54:07You can taste it. You can smell it. Everything is provably real inside of a dream.
54:15So what if this is just level or we're on the 2nd Floor? So it's just a dream within a dream. Yeah.
54:23Yeah. And I don't a 100% subscribe to that there. I just think it's just mind blowing Right.
54:30All by itself. Right.
54:32It's a harder one to get to. By the way, I do have the other hermetic principles, which I I do love as well. I think the three is polarity.
54:41Right? Or In no particular order, but Polarity, opposites are two ends of the same spectrum, hot cold, love hate.
54:50Vibration, everything is in motion and constantly constantly vibrating. The one that I think really helps me is the law of rhythm, which everything moves in cycles and flows.
55:03And so when things are going great, like just not subscribing too much to how great things are because they need to come back down to the ebb.
55:14Yeah. You know? And when conversely, when things are feeling really shitty, it's like this too shall pass.
55:22And just like knowing that this kind of orientation needs to complete its cycle much like the hero's journey, and just like trusting, staying in it for me has been super helpful.
55:38And then cause and effect, nothing happens by chance. Every action creates a result.
55:44And then gender, masculine and feminine principles exist in all things and drive creation.
55:51But yeah, everything Which when you think about that in terms of the inversion and how hard they work to confuse that hermetic principle.
56:00Yeah. That's Satan's little season right there, to invert and confuse everything. Well, the beginning lie that you have to sell to everyone to really psyop the entire world, it has to start with separation.
56:12That has to be step one. Like, if you're doing something evil, separation has to be step one.
56:18If I want you to hate you, I have to convince you that that's not you. Right?
56:25Because if I view everything as one, like if we are all not connected, but if we're all one, I don't need morality anymore. I don't I don't have morals.
56:35I'm just protecting me. Right. I'm doing good for other people because that's me.
56:40There's no morality there, but here's the here's the biggest one.
56:44If we can go on a little deepened tangent. Please.
56:48A little deeper than before. This is another one from Alan Watts, but he said if you were suppose you're God, and you can dream, you can experiment, and do all these experiments, you're going to have trillions and trillions of years worth of dreams, and eventually you're to be like, yeah, this sucks.
57:05I need to add some dragons or some cliffs and like somebody trying to stab me and stuff like that.
57:12It doesn't mean anything unless there's some stakes. So then you do that for another trillion years, but you you still know that you're God, and you still was like, oh, yeah. Fuck you, dragon.
57:22Like, you know, he cut his head off or whatever. He said it it just going along with this thought experiment, no matter what, eventually you will reach a point where the only way to enjoy anything is to , and you have to forget.
57:41It's the only way to make anything meaningful, and man, that hit me in the chest when I heard it for the first time.
57:49You're gonna I mean, no matter what, you'll reach a point where you don't want to know that because everything's meaningless, and it's hard to have any stakes.
57:59You can't have stakes if you're God.
58:03I know that one, the exact one you're talking about, and I think a buddy of mine, Baretta, did a musical accompaniment to that one, which I'll I'll see if I can find it and have Lindsay post it Yeah. In the in the show notes.
58:19But it is like I remember when I heard it, I was like, what the fuck? It's like to convince you that you aren't God.
58:26And it's like, holy shit. Because you would end up in this particular dream out of all the dreams, and it's like, holy shit.
58:33Yeah. What a cool dream. Mhmm.
58:35Yeah.
58:38So I mean, in all the all the research that they're doing, they're finding too much of the research right now is just materialist reductionism.
58:49Like, if if we have an orchestra, I will never begin to understand music by dissecting a cello. Could spend five thousand years dissecting sheet music and cello and put it under a microscope.
59:03It doesn't do anything. It doesn't help me understand music at all, and that's what science does. It's reduce it down to every single material element, strip it into a million pieces, and stick each one under a microscope and study it.
59:17But I think there's something that's immaterial that we just don't understand yet. We're a baby species.
59:24We haven't been here very long. Have you heard the theory that we're not from Earth? Have you heard this?
59:33Yes. In multiple different forms. So Like Anunnaki
59:37Yeah. Impregnated
59:40our ancestors or something? Yeah. So the Anunnaki are the fallen angels, and 200 of them were cast out of heaven.
59:47And well, first they were put here as the watchers to protect God's sacred realm. And then they saw like, oh, there's some pretty good looking women here, and, you know, so I wanna so they started having sex with the humans of God's creation and then created the Nephilim, which were half human, half fallen angels.
1:00:09And that's where these like 13 families that supposedly rule the world, they're still the direct Nephilim. So there's a really good there's a really podcast I like that I've been on called Nephilim Death Squad where they go into all this shit all the time.
1:00:22And they're always like, yeah, it's just Nephilim shit. Like, all the stuff that we're dealing with is just these fucking egoic fallen angels who separated themselves from God and impregnated human women, created this kind of subspecies.
1:00:34It's all just this elitist subspecies group having these battles for supremacy where sometimes they work together and sometimes they're fighting against each other. It's all very fatiguing at this point. Like, I would like to have a time out.
1:00:47I'm really just you know, I have children, and I have, like, mundane things I'd like to see for them. Like my both my kids are very good athletes, you know.
1:00:55Like they love their sport. I love watching their sport. Like the thing I can imagine you sitting there at like a football
1:01:03game or soccer game, your kids playing, all the parents are watching their kids, and inside your brain you're going like, what if there were ancient reptiles
1:01:10and they mated with humans in the DNA? And like you're going through all this shit in your head. So dude, you have no idea.
1:01:16It affects me so much. First off, I'm a great parent in terms of like love, attentiveness, you know, food.
1:01:23My wife and I do an incredible job. I am so bad with like discipline and work ethic because I'm like, oh, fuck. Go.
1:01:31Fine. I'll do the dishes. Go hang out with your friends.
1:01:33You know? Okay. Don't do the chore.
1:01:34I'll do it. Because like, know, it's like poof. It's all gonna be gone, you know, in a second.
1:01:38So like, it really this this level of nihilism that's in fact affected our world really affects my parenting in terms of like discipline. And I'm raising kids that like they have really good like sport work ethics, but like if I ask them to do I have this thing called the three to one ratio. Like if I ask my kids to do something, there is a three x complaining to the one x of the task.
1:02:00So I have ninety seconds of fighting for thirty seconds of putting dishes away.
1:02:06So it's You're describing my life too. Yes. So but basically, I'm so concerned that this is this this illusion, which has brought me like a lot of joy and children, and I got to get 19 tackles against Ohio State in one moment of my life.
1:02:20You know? It's like I want my kids to have those tastes. So I don't I'm terrible with the discipline.
1:02:25It totally influences like our home. At Taco, sure. Spend okay.
1:02:29It's fine. Go do it. It's alright.
1:02:32I'm the same way. Are you that way too? Yeah.
1:02:35I I've shifted a little bit because it's been I think required, but but I had a similar kind of orientation like But drinking coffee.
1:02:45They'll figure it out when they need to. I mean, they they are brought up in a completely different world, in a completely different level of prosperity than I grew up in, and that really served me like it did each of us here.
1:03:00And they don't have the same, yeah, the same suite of options available to them.
1:03:10They're much different. Some would argue much better. I don't know.
1:03:14They didn't choose that well, maybe they did choose. I mean, we could argue about that if they chose to come in as our kids, but you know I have a lot of empathy for them because growing up with with more resources doesn't make your life better.
1:03:31And and they've expressed that to me recently like people just not understanding, thinking that they grew up in this really nice house and the like, that it doesn't mean that their life is easier.
1:03:45In some ways it's more challenging because they don't have the natural obstacles that we had.
1:03:51And their path ahead of them is is much more obscured, particularly now with yeah.
1:03:58AI and
1:04:00And it's got to be more self defined for the kids. Like for us it was easier in a way like, you know, do you want do you want to live in the same level of struggle that your parents did, and or do you want to get out of this small town in Maine?
1:04:13Like it was a lot more like, oh, I want to get out of the small town in Maine, so I'm going to do well in school. I'm going to kick ass in hockey. I'm going to get into this school, and then I get this opportunity, you know, with commodity trading, and I'm gonna completely go for it because I don't wanna live in this tiny little fucking town.
1:04:27But all of a sudden, you're living in Austin, and you're like, it's a great house, and a great home, and a great mom, and a great dad, and you're like, oh, fuck. Like, you know, how you define ambition. You know?
1:04:36I talk to my kids directly about that. I'm like, you know, like, a young person, you have to have some level of healthy ambition to propel your life forward.
1:04:46Yeah.
1:04:48And I think, like, the one thing I really, really hammered down on my kids, like, you can have shitty grades every once in a while. You could do all that kind of stuff.
1:04:57I don't care that much. It's just like, just look around at everybody the more connected somebody is online, the more you have loneliness, anxiety, depression Mhmm.
1:05:08Crazy amounts of stuff. It's like living in a big city like this almost guarantees loneliness and depression.
1:05:16And it's like if you just look at the people who are happier, who live longer, have less heart disease, less fill in the blank, less. They're socially connected.
1:05:26They know who their neighbors are. They they talk to people in three dimensions a lot more. And I mean, I don't remember the town, but and they were still smoked cigarettes and stuff every day.
1:05:35It's not like they were like vegans and had this crazy weird diet or anything. It's just that they were connected to nature because we are nature.
1:05:44We are we're not like, I need to go outside and spend time in nature. It's like, that's me out there. And like the further you get, you get into these cities, it's like a little factory for apathy, and depression, and anxiety, and all that stuff.
1:05:59Mhmm. Loneliness.
1:06:00Mhmm. Rampant loneliness. Yeah.
1:06:02And then the more resources you have, the less you're seeking out your neighbors for support so that you're all pitching in together.
1:06:10It's like, oh, I'm self reliant, and then that just becomes more isolating. I know that for me personally, this idea of being self reliant, was amazing for me as you were saying, like coming up, you know, in Winthrop, Maine and Yeah.
1:06:24Like knowing that I needed to rely on myself as I became much older and I still had such an identification with that, it was just creating more distance with me and my wife because I wasn't seeking out her support because I really felt like I needed to do it on my own, and that was just, you know, as I've let go of that and and reached out to her and tried to find ways for us to connect in that way, we're more of a partnership now.
1:06:56That is beautiful, and I'm glad.
1:07:00This goes back to just everything that we've been talking about is it's the archetype. You get you start using, like, I need a big house.
1:07:10I need to go to the country club. I need to go to all these things. You're fulfilling an archetype, and that's all you're really doing.
1:07:17And you're just kind of trying to do a Spielberg story, and we're not really creating like, what are the things that get I can get real value from? And I made a YouTube video like a year ago called Earth is a video game.
1:07:32I think that's the name of it. But I basically I made a tutorial and a a review of of this planet as if it were a video game, and just kind of like, here are the things you need to do to win.
1:07:47Like, if you want to figure out like how to win at life, look at the regrets of dying people. There is no better teacher than than looking at the regrets of people that are dying.
1:07:55I wish I had spent more time with family. I wish I'd have paid more attention to my friends. I wish I'd have checked in with people more often.
1:08:02I wish I read more books. I wish I it's never about anything else than like the real shit that that really fulfills us, And it's very simple.
1:08:11There's not some secret method to happiness. Just look at the , and you will see the code to life.
1:08:18I don't know whether I spoke to you about I think I might have mentioned this last time. I don't know. We're like an old married couple now.
1:08:23We get together. We talk about the same shit. So I have this theory that mushrooms work on the vertical axis.
1:08:32So it's the it's the the Earth's kind of geomorphic, sublime, divine energy compressed into this fungus.
1:08:41You ingest the fungus, and then it opens you up to the divine. And it works from the divine through you to the earth Yeah. The earth through you to the divine.
1:08:49And it's opening up that corridor. So basically on this earth plane, you can live healthier, happier, a more productive, enjoyable, meaningful life.
1:08:57And that the other psychedelics, DMT and so forth, work on a horizontal plane. And it's a little more precarious when you're in the horizontal horizontal plane because other shit from dimensions and timelines can kind of jump in.
1:09:11Having done a wealth of both, what do you think of that theory, and have you had any experiences to kind of validate or invalidate?
1:09:22I was the forty first person in the world to do intravenous DMT for five hours. Five hours.
1:09:29Just for our audience to know Actually, that was you were about to do it when we sat here last. Yeah. Yeah.
1:09:36And so I I would love to have you share about that experience
1:09:41well. For reference, most d m other DMT, they can be a long time in the dimensions you go into, but they're really just about twenty minutes a DMT experience. Yeah.
1:09:50I think the average is eight. Eight. Okay.
1:09:53So you went in for five hours. Yeah. What could go wrong?
1:09:58So I mean, just for the record, I went in for neuroplasticity. Yeah. I got the results of a brain scan and and like 38% of my brain is not even working to the point where I shouldn't really be able to function very well, and I and I'm fine.
1:10:16I'm better than I've been in my better than I was in my twenties now. And I I wanted the neurogenesis, which means, like, when when you're on a psychedelic, neurogenesis means that your brain is getting this boost of a chemical called BDNF, brain derived nootrophic factor, and the BDNF helps new little babies baby neurons get made, which are like 99% of them, 95% of them are in the hippocampus area that we know of only.
1:10:50And it also enables this other thing called LTP, long term potentiation, which means that your neurons can get a divorce when they need to, which is long term depotentiation, and they can get married to ones that they need to.
1:11:06So like if you have a damaged area of your brain here, this what's called it's neuroplasticity, but there's a subtype of neuroplasticity called synaptic plasticity where the synapses can get a divorce, and then like, hey, these guys used to talk to each other.
1:11:23We're gonna wrap around this damaged area, and we're gonna we're gonna form a new network around damage. So I was really trying to do that, but the journey itself, oh my god, five hours of just being ripped out of this entire reality.
1:11:39It's kind of like you get a like you're , and like you can see all of this, and it and it's you can it's more real than reality.
1:11:51It's a thousand times more real than this than this ever can or could hope to be, and it kind of ruins you in a little bit in a good way where when you come back, you know, like, this looks like a cartoon oil painting when you come back from
1:12:08something on DMT. Do you recall, like, any specifics, like nuggets, moments you can kind of share? Yeah.
1:12:15So
1:12:17the the first one, it it was intravenous. So I had it I had it in my arm. I was laying down.
1:12:22These people held the space so beautifully well, and they had a beautiful space for it. And that first moment because when you do DMT, everyone goes to this place called the waiting room,
1:12:34which you're familiar with probably. I've heard of it. I've actually just the one of probably the only real psychedelic I haven't done.
1:12:41I've done five MEO, but never DMT.
1:12:43Okay. It's heavy. I mean, the way that Kevin described it, he was the guy who who facilitated our experience.
1:12:51He described he had the best word to describe DMT that I've ever heard in my life. He just said, . It's big in a way that you cannot fathom, describe, comprehend, imagine, or even come close to understanding how big DMT is, and that is just the perfect word for me.
1:13:13But the first thing that happened right when I was in there, I buzzed right past the waiting room because the machine is an anesthesiology machine.
1:13:23So it's basically like a big there's a giant fat syringe full of DMT, and there's a machine that pumps it at a certain milliliters per minute rate.
1:13:35And like if you want to go up, you want like you want to launch, they could just turn the dial and it pump, pump, pump, pump. It'll do a little boost, and you're you're launched out.
1:13:44So I Obviously did that. Yeah. I spent like three milliseconds in the waiting room, and I was up there instantly, and these beings and for four thousand five hundred years, we've all seen the same exact same beings up there.
1:14:01Every human without any exception, sees the exact same entities on on DMT for forty five hundred years, which is bizarre. But these things shoved me down onto this like stainless steel kind of medical table, and from pelvis all the way up to my neck, cut my body open with these massive shears, and it didn't hurt.
1:14:24Like there was no pain, and I I wasn't scared at all. Like if it happened in this life, yeah, it it would be terrifying.
1:14:33But on the DMT space, everything's okay. Like, it's full of love and non judgment and all that stuff, and they're weird looking light beings that kind of look like they're aliens, but I could hear them every single sound.
1:14:48I could hear my organs kind of sloshing as they pushed their hands. I could feel every single thing that they were doing to me, and it was just imagine it's 10,000 more more more real than this,
1:15:01and and I was going through this. And then this other Can I ask you a question? So are you are you here looking at them, or are you also here looking at them, and then also completely objectified where you're looking at it?
1:15:15No. It was in my head. Okay.
1:15:17So you're in the subjective? Yes. You're looking at this as First we person.
1:15:22See Yes. Okay.
1:15:24So I'm kind of laid down on this table looking up, and then this one holds my forehead down and sticks a like a drill bit like this long into my nose. It's freezing cold, and it goes up into my nose, and I could feel it going further and further and further all the way until it bumps the back of my skull, and the drill bit is it doesn't go through my skull, but it's pushing my head down onto the table where I can't pick my head up, and it is ice cold, and there's no pain, but then I could feel like stuff moving inside of my head, like something come come out of this drill bit.
1:16:02I don't know. Stuff was going on. And then all kinds of other shit happened for five hours that never stopped.
1:16:09Well, I took a pee break. So during the experience, like, if you need to pee or something or if you want to come down a little bit, they can kind of just adjust your altitude right there on that little machine, which is unbelievable. But then I'm done with the whole experience.
1:16:24I go back to the hotel, and then I find out the night before we were at their house just to kind of I'm gonna look at the space.
1:16:33I'm gonna we're gonna talk to them. They're the nicest people. They do this at their home in in Denver, and I didn't know this, but this guy, he's a genetic scientist.
1:16:44He's a genetic science research expert who makes the the medicine, But he took Michelle, my wife, into the kitchen and into the freezer and showed her this little pelican box of vials so she could select the vials that I would use the next day.
1:17:04And they prayed over these vials, and right after I told her everything, she said the only prayer that I said was for them to immediately fix your heart and then your head, because I have a I have a heart thing going on as well, and I have a brain disease.
1:17:22And she told the DMT to do that the night before. Wow. That was a question I was gonna ask.
1:17:27Wow. And Then that was the first order of business that they that they had. They just went straight to it.
1:17:34Yeah. And And I didn't know.
1:17:37I never knew that she even went in the kitchen. Like, I just thought they were up bullshitting somewhere in the house. Wow.
1:17:43And
1:17:44how have you been since?
1:17:46Yeah. What was it like? Because because I know we were in touch right after that, and it was like kind of putting the pieces back together was was kind of first order of business.
1:17:56Yeah. It it started off with a depression. And I remember I'm laying there on this thing.
1:18:04I'm in this experience. Like, alright, Chase. We're gonna we're gonna go ahead and bring you start bringing you down, and the unwillingness that I had to come back here was monumental.
1:18:18Like, I I just please kill me. Like, didn't say that, but I did say I have a tape of the entire thing.
1:18:27Videoed it. Coming down, I did ask 39 times throughout that whole experience if I was dead.
1:18:34Like, out loud, I'm like, am I dead? 39 times. That's how deep it was.
1:18:39Like, I didn't know if I still had a body or if I was dead. I had no clue. It was really deep, and coming down, it felt like there is absolutely zero way for me to return back to this life without developing some narcissism.
1:19:01Mhmm. And that's that's what was really depressing to me, that I had that I had to go back and like develop a little just to survive, just to live on this planet.
1:19:13You had to have some narcissism, and I was I was crying so fucking hard, man. And these God bless these people wiping my tears and snot coming out of my nose.
1:19:25But it was like I did not really want to come back.
1:19:29It it's kind of like if if randomly someone like you feel a weird thing on your head.
1:19:36You don't know what it is. There's nobody in the house. You feel this thing moving on your head, and all of a sudden you're in another reality, and someone just took off a VR helmet, and this is where you've been the whole time.
1:19:46You're just inside of a little VR game. And then like you go to like actual reality where there's just unlimited love and peace and abundance, and they're like, okay. We gotta put the helmet back on.
1:19:58You've gotta go back inside the the video game. Fuck. That's what it felt like, man.
1:20:02And just kind of integrating after five hours of that was really, really tough for probably a couple weeks. How
1:20:11two questions. Five hours of our earth plane linear time was about how long in the DMT world, if you have any sense of that?
1:20:21It was six months. Five or six months is what it felt like.
1:20:27Did you
1:20:28have like a you had a whole life and little world happening up there? Yeah. But it wasn't like
1:20:36it wasn't me Yeah. Per se. It was just kind of I was with other things happening, and I could kind of observe things happening and talk to these creatures and stuff and these these entities.
1:20:48But it's like like we're we're these little infantile hairless monkeys, like our our little species.
1:20:59It's so funny. And then we're like, you know what? You know what I wanna learn today?
1:21:04I'm gonna learn the secrets of the universe. And and then you do DMT, and they're like, alright, motherfucker.
1:21:12And they show it all to you and you can't comprehend it. You can't understand it. You'll never be able to piece any of it together and try explaining one billionth of 1% of it to another human being.
1:21:23Good luck. But they still show it to you. And it's like you're not bringing it back.
1:21:28You're not going to carry it with you back when you come back here. We are doing some experimentation with mixing high doses of Alzheimer's drugs with the DMT Mhmm.
1:21:38So that we can bring back much bigger chunks of data and and and information there. And doc there's a guy named Andrew Gallimore. Mhmm.
1:21:46And he's doing a whole lot of research with this. This beautiful brain this guy has Trying to map out, not a physical map, but trying to understand and develop a knowledge of this hyperspace, whatever the place is that we go on the DMT.
1:22:04How about the how about the biological and and neurological surgery that they did or work on you? How's how's your heart and your brain been since
1:22:14you had the procedures done? Zero problems with anything Wow. Since then.
1:22:18Wow. And I haven't got a brain scan because the scan that I have to get is called a PET.
1:22:24So PET stands for positron emission tomography, but it's it's nuclear. So the scan is so bad that I can't hug my wife or sleep in the same bed as them for forty eight hours because there's so much nuclear radiation coming out of my body.
1:22:39So I just I'll I'll treat it as if like I know I have a brain problem when I have symptoms.
1:22:46I don't need a machine. Yeah. Like, have these friends that wear these like 15 Aura rings and sleep monitors and all this kind of shit.
1:22:54I'm like, dude, you have eight sensors in this thing, and you have 9,000,000 in your body.
1:23:02Like your body's way more advanced than your Apple Watch. Right. It knows exactly whether or not you wake up in the morning and feel like, shit, you didn't sleep well.
1:23:10Right. Like I don't need an Apple Watch. Like your body has billions and billions of sensors and and data collection mechanisms to tell you when things are off, and its natural response is to heal itself.
1:23:24So you're just the only thing that your body needs is material, raw materials. It just needs that stuff, and there's so many times people go to a psychologist or people go to a psychologist, and then fifteen years later discover this whole time they've had a vitamin b twelve deficiency, or they have some physiological problem that's causing psychological issues.
1:23:45Yeah.
1:23:47A lot of research on that. Minerals, it's almost like a one hundredth of correlation between depression and mineral deficiency imbalances in the brain and so forth.
1:23:55Yeah. So how about like your aura, your energy, your frequency, your vibration? Are you finding like synergies, kismet, serendipities, coincidences now more?
1:24:07Are you without being like narcissistic about it, like, are you a more like positive and ultimately like uplifting energy and presence and for you, your family, your colleagues, your students, and so forth? I've gotten a lot better as a human being.
1:24:21Mhmm.
1:24:22Because I think with every not microdose, but every I mean, I'm on a microdose right now.
1:24:29But I mean, like, every journey that I've ever done has helped me to understand with each thing I'm less special than I thought I was.
1:24:40I'm less special than I thought I was. I'm in a beautiful amazing way, not some self demeaning way. Yeah.
1:24:48In a freeing way, and it's just less and less special. And starting out, I thought I was really special.
1:24:55Big time. And then the the mushrooms have a way of exactly what we talked about earlier, shifting that perspective so much and zooming you out to show you how small you are.
1:25:08How small and important you are. Special versus important.
1:25:12You know? Like, I think they're different things. Mhmm.
1:25:15And I think the the more that I can be shown how not special I am, the better my life gets.
1:25:22And along the lines of, you know, adding the the Alzheimer's drug as a, you know, to go along with the the DMT, are there other areas that you're looking to explore?
1:25:36Would you go back into that five hour experience? Where do you kind of sit with that as your kind of next frontier?
1:25:45I'm definitely going back.
1:25:49Y'all should come. And I'll I'll if if either of you guys wanna do it, I'll sit with you the whole time, and I'll sit there and hold your hand the whole time.
1:25:59It's an amazing I mean, it it will permanently change you in in that when you come back here for the rest of your life, no matter what, no matter how seductive the world is, the rest of your life, you're gonna know that it's fake.
1:26:16Yeah. I'm super curious. I know you're a hard no, I'm sure.
1:26:19No. Don't know you. No.
1:26:21No. I'm not a Well, you're terrified of doing the big journeys and stuff. So I'm curious.
1:26:25It's heavy.
1:26:26It's heavy. But it's definitely it's not it's not it's Not a judgment either. No.
1:26:30But there's there's a really nice hold on. Kyle Kingsbury. Godsbury.
1:26:36I forgot Godsley's first name. Eric Godsley. Eric Godsley.
1:26:40So Eric Godsley has this expression called the death cookie. So like whenever you're shown something that you really don't want to do, you got to eat it.
1:26:49You got to eat that death cookie. So I'm so aware of like the death cookies. I'm like, oh, no.
1:26:54I I should do it. I want to do it. Yeah.
1:26:55But I'm I'm terrified of it. I think in the good and kind of, you know, a respectful way. Well, there's there's there's a balance of terrified.
1:27:05Sometimes terrified could be that's a signal like not yet. I think having a healthy like, fear is the right word, but like, okay, this is a big experience, whether It's it's a death in a way.
1:27:18Yeah. Yeah.
1:27:19But I'm also like very curious and and
1:27:24would love to And Terrence McKenna had the best phrase for it I've ever heard in my life, and he called it . Mhmm.
1:27:33Which just perfectly encapsulates that entire experience. It's like it's so astonishing in a way that you will never ever be able to describe this to another person, and that's gonna piss you off.
1:27:47Like, it pisses me off that I can't like I can't convey what happens on DMT to another person. Mhmm.
1:27:54And it's it's a chemical that we make in our own body Yeah. And it's a felony in almost the entire country.
1:28:02We make it in our body, and it's a felony. Yeah. We'll talk about the clown world inversion that we live in, know, .
1:28:09Let's infer everything. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.
1:28:11My wife and I have to drive past three vape stores and two liquor stores to go pick up our illegal raw milk.
1:28:21Right. Right. Which has to be also labeled not for human consumption.
1:28:27Right. Right. No.
1:28:30That's as a big raw milk person, it's crazy. Here in Texas, they changed the law, and they like, they can't sell it anymore, but you have to buy it as like a gift card.
1:28:44It's like a whole weird thing. So you can't you can't just go to the market and buy it. Some farmers kind of just don't pay any attention to it because the enforcement is slack, but technically, like, you have to order in advance as like a gift card.
1:28:58It's like a weird kind of loophole.
1:29:01Wow. In Virginia, you have to own a piece of the cow. So, like, several families will own a part of a cow or a part ownership in a cow.
1:29:13And if because the Virginia law is if you own the cow, you can no one can tell you that you can't drink milk out of your own cow. So so technically when I go to pick up raw milk, it's from my cow that I own,
1:29:26and that's what I'm taking home. That's a great workaround right there. Yeah.
1:29:31What about you, chef? Like, what have you been working on? I know
1:29:34obviously the Max Deck came out at the kind of end of the year. Can we talk about this Max Deck? I'd love to.
1:29:40I take this every day now. You do? So you sent me a freebie Yeah.
1:29:44Bag, and it took me like a month to get to it, and I because you texted me every week, did you try the Max Tech yet? But now I do it every day.
1:29:54So this is like I have a little lineup. I have a rolling like, cart.
1:29:59Pharmacopoeia? Yeah. That's has my daily stuff on it, so I can kind of bring it if I need to pull it in my office or whatever.
1:30:05And MaxSac is like the far left, and I go from left to right on this cart every day. There's MaxSac, creatine, and then other stuff, iodine.
1:30:14Mhmm.
1:30:15But this MaxSac,
1:30:16can you talk about what's in it? Because just looking at the ingredients list is overwhelming to me. So what we wanted to do with the MaxStax MaxStax does not have our secret ingredient in it, so it's non psychoactive.
1:30:28It has no psilocybin, which we call for obvious purposes the Brain Supreme mushroom blend or active ingredient. So what we wanted to do with Macstack is we spent years researching by almost I mean, with mushrooms, there's so many things that complement mushrooms at the psychedelic level.
1:30:45You know? It's like basically just love and thinking good thoughts complement, you know, your mushroom dose. But there are certain ingredients that definitely can complement and boost a micro and a macro dose.
1:30:55So we wanted to create a product that basically we threw the kitchen sink at from a therapeutic and and ritual standpoint, also like an everyday usage.
1:31:03So we basically wanted to add every known ingredient in the world that benefits a micro and a macro dose. So mushrooms, adaptogens, aminos, and cacao.
1:31:13So we created a base of ceremonial cacao and ceylon cinnamon, and then we have 22 other ingredients, chaga, reishi, cordyceps, lion's mane, and then we've got about 10 different minerals and adaptogens, and then 10 different amino acids and creatine in this base of very high grade ceremonial cacao and Ceylon cinnamon.
1:31:33Now it has to be Ceylon cinnamon because at high doses regular cinnamon is is deleterious for the kidney. It's not so good.
1:31:40Ceylon cinnamon, the true cinnamon, you can take that five grams, ten grams at a time. But other cinnamons, you don't want to you don't want to do that with. They're it's a different type of bark for a different type of cinnamon tree.
1:31:50Only the Ceylon cinnamon is is healthy at high doses. So it's a little bitter.
1:31:56I tell everybody that because we want them to leave it unsweetened. I do it in my so I do like, for me, the new founders thing is the which is what you did this morning is the Mac Stack with the black stack. So it's a three hundred milligram microdose with the Mac Stack and, like energy focus.
1:32:13So I make a Mac Stack latte. I actually just throw everything in the blender, and then I just pour it through a strainer. So I do I do some coffee, which now I do less coffee, and I do a half calf, half decaf, and then I throw in the Mac Stack.
1:32:24I'll actually add a little more cinnamon, a little creatine, local raw honey, pour the hot water, blend that up for like forty five seconds, then I pour in like some raw milk or some organic heavy cream, and then just pour that through a strainer.
1:32:38So after about three hours, you're ready to go. It takes about three hours to make that drink? Jesus.
1:32:43No. Honestly, in the blender it's fast. It's because if you did in a French press separately and made the French press, it's if you just go in the blender with your ground coffin and pour it through a strainer Yeah.
1:32:52It's forty five seconds. You know, you can let it sit there, pour it through, and then and then you're set. But in terms of like, if you thought if you compared that with opening up let's say you took one third of the supplements that are in MaxStaq.
1:33:05Like even from a time standpoint, I think the making of the MaxStax is still faster than if you opened up seven different supplement jars. So probably saving you time. Yeah.
1:33:14I mean, traditionally people would like make their coffee and then add this. Yeah. Just or just make your coffee and just stir the MaxStax in.
1:33:22And then with all the with all the amino acids and minerals, there's a little bitterness there.
1:33:27It's kind of like a coffee like bitterness. Some people really like that. I add a little bit of of local raw honey or some maple crystals or some kind of hippie sugar in some way.
1:33:36But yeah, that was our idea that we wanted. And I've used it ceremonial now too, which is really great.
1:33:42Like I've put four grams in it, blended it up because we wanted to test it that way. Wow. And it was was deep.
1:33:48Yeah. And it's also it was it was interesting because the journey like it was it was the the the ascent is a little faster, the journey's great, and the descent is a little faster.
1:34:01So you're in and you're out a little quicker. And the journey is interesting because there's like a nutritional sustenance in the journey. So like hunger pangs or other things that can kind of sometimes mess with you were just totally satiated.
1:34:13So it's like a really wonderful four hour Dude. Ride.
1:34:17That's awesome. Yeah. You know what I wound up doing?
1:34:19The creatine that I take every day is like Walgreens brand. No.
1:34:24No. You got to get the stuff with the German approval, the creatine monohydrate.
1:34:28It is creatine monohydrate. Yeah. But there's like honestly, I've asked a couple people about that.
1:34:33I'm not sure. Something about there's a German patent on creatine that it's like a little Sean Wells would be the one to answer.
1:34:40I get a brand called Momentous.
1:34:42It's really clean creatine. But what I wound up doing is I'd take that little tub of creatine and I would dump it in this bag Yeah. And mix it up.
1:34:51Yeah. So that every day I'm not having to do two different things. I'm trying to like minimize this Yeah.
1:34:55Yeah. This thing I do in the morning. Yeah.
1:34:57Yeah. Because we're we're at one gram or it depends if you do one scoop or two scoops worth, five hundred or one gram of creatine,
1:35:04and probably you want to be around
1:35:06five to maybe 10 grams of creatine, so you can certainly add more creatine. Yeah. I dumped it in there, and I don't keep it in this bag.
1:35:13Like the bag is beautiful though. I have a, like, a glass cylinder thing that I take it out of, and every day I'll kind of roll it on its side and then give it a couple of back and forths and then scoop out of it.
1:35:25Yeah. You get your technique down. I have a lot of athletes who are doing the max so
1:35:30particularly for like morning athletics where you don't want to eat. So let's say like you got a pickleball or you got your workout and you don't want to necessarily eat before your workout.
1:35:39I have some professional athletes and amateur athletes. They'll do the max stack with their microdose.
1:35:47If you can time it out like sixty to seventy five minutes before kickoff or main game time, you're gonna hit flow state to combine a microdose with max stack before your morning workout, like an hour or so. It's flow state workouts.
1:36:02Wow. I get a lot of feedback from athletes and just gym guys and everything.
1:36:06They take I just saw a guy yesterday who's a, you know, 55 year old dude now who was a bodybuilder, still likes to train R. He's like, dude, they gotta pull me out of the gym on athlete. I time it out like an hour before, and the workouts are just great.
1:36:17You actually gave these to me. So
1:36:21could you give me a like walk me through what each one of these are. Okay. So black stacks are extra strength.
1:36:26So we take a three hundred milligram microdose,
1:36:28and we blend it with nano curcumin, ginger, and vitamin c.
1:36:34So it's our it's our extra strength, triple strength. Three hundred milligrams can be a lot for some people with a microdose. For me, it's kind of a sweet spot.
1:36:42And so that that's our extra strength formula. You know, you can we don't we really created Brain Supreme as a micro dosing supplement, but you can tune up and take a couple black stacks and hit a little cruising altitude. If you're going do anything more than that, think you should work with just straight mushrooms and so forth.
1:36:58Yeah. But you know, if you've got an off day on a weekend and it's in a responsible setting, you can take three or four of them, you know, just kind of go for a little bit of a marvel at the Central Texas clouds for a couple hours. But that's our extra strength formula.
1:37:11So and that actually, in terms of cost per most expensive ingredient, that has nine grams total active ingredient because it's thirty capsules at three hundred milligrams, which is nine grams.
1:37:21Every other product is six grams. Every other product has more complementary ingredients, but the the cost by most expensive ingredients so black stack, if you can handle three hundred milligram microdose, it's kind of the most cost effective product as well.
1:37:35And then our flagship formula is Genius. That's our most nootropic formula. So it's kind of classic nootropics, L theanine, L tyrosine, Alpha GPC, green tea extract, guarana blended with a hundred milligrams of our active ingredient.
1:37:49And then Feel Good is our kind of heart oriented formula, heart emotions libido. We have some nano curcumin in there. Sorry.
1:37:57We have some nanoitized CBD in there and Damion, another kind of heart emotion mood.
1:38:07I like actually I take Feel Good the least from a micro dosing standpoint, but Feel Good's really kind of five or six capsules on a weekend. It really is a groovy great feeling.
1:38:18It's really fun for a little cruising altitude. Yeah. You do feel loving and just mellow.
1:38:23It's great for lovemaking. It's good for sex. It's like 10% better.
1:38:29It's like more meaningful and just like you know, touch and and sensations and so forth. It's good. And then athlete is our workout formula.
1:38:36So we blend that with it's a hundred milligrams of the proprietary mushroom that we blend with, then different elements for recovery and heart rate and cardiovascular support and so forth.
1:38:47Stacking athlete and genius is a really good formula as well too. If you're like a if you're a workout person, what we call our performance protocol, which is in in every other day or one day on, two day off, slightly higher microdose, you can stack athlete and genius about an hour or seventy five minutes before your game or workout.
1:39:06My professional athletes will do practice day and game day because you want to keep it in your system. You never want to be dysregulated for when you want to peak for game day, you do a practice day with a performance dose, and then you save it for game day. So that's a really effective formula for that.
1:39:21And then just kind of mixing it up. The standard protocol is what we call supplement dosing, five days on, two days off, best in the morning, best on an empty stomach, best with a glass of lemon water, or with MaxStax. And then once you figure out like where your sweet spot is, perceptible, non intoxicating, not hallucinatory, then you can start to then you can start to adjust.
1:39:40You know? So start with one capsule, scale up, find your area where you're like, oh, I'm most tuned on. I'm most productive.
1:39:47And then that's your sweet spot, then you can play around. Start with the supplement protocol, really understand these products. Some people like one in the morning, and then they like one at 1PM.
1:39:55Some people if they take it in the afternoon, it's a little sleep disruptive because your brain is still active. Some people are like, you know, I want to feel it more. Like I appreciate a microdose, but I'm going to go to performance dosing because I really want to get tuned up twice a week.
1:40:07Yeah. And then you know, you can you burn off the more noticeable demonstrative sensation in the gym, and then the benefits of the microdose linger throughout the day and the rest of the day and so forth. Yes, that's what we're doing.
1:40:19But I mean for us the proof's in the pudding because we grow by you know, we grew by 200 from year one to year two, and we grew by another 120% from year two to year three.
1:40:31And we have the highest conversion rate I believe, of any supplement on all of Shopify's website.
1:40:40So we have a 66% conversion rate from one time buyer to subscriber, which in the supplement space is kind of unheard of.
1:40:48Yeah. So that means that we're we're doing something that's that's working. You are.
1:40:52Yeah. I've been your students have been amazing. You know, they've really
1:40:56they use it as part of the NCI Yeah. Protocol and so forth. Yeah.
1:41:00And nothing that I make them do, but Yep. I know a lot of them a lot of them love your stuff.
1:41:05You've come in as a guest speaker to our our elite kind of the VIP inner circle of mine. Yeah. It's always fun.
1:41:12And we're amazing people. And I know they were all very appreciative of the education because it's it's one thing to be able to just like, oh, somebody says, oh, I can find I didn't know I could order this.
1:41:25I didn't know it, like, it it could get mailed to my house. It's not labeled in a way that somebody might get in trouble or anything.
1:41:32And second part is like, okay. Now I can order it, but I need an education. Mhmm.
1:41:37I need a I need a course. I need something, which is why, like, I tell everybody even like the lady that was next to me on the plane on the way over here, I was telling her about this.
1:41:47And I was like, not only can you buy it there, there's a course. And Adam's got a course on brainsubreme.co. You can take this course.
1:41:54It's going to give you everything that you might need to know about doing microdosing in a healthy way and effective, a way that's actually going to help your life. Great. Well, thanks.
1:42:01I'm actually about to redo the reshoot the whole course too because I finished the home studio.
1:42:05Oh, good. The home we got a little home media and podcasting thing going on now too, so about to redo the whole course as well. Love it.
1:42:12So we'll do version two. Dude, you're the best, man. It's so great talking to you.
1:42:18And then it's like for Cal and I, it never gets off. We know that you're Cal and I are such good friends now.
1:42:25So it's like when you text, I'm like, okay. Let me tell Cal, because it'd be rather like share the love.
1:42:30Yeah, man. And and I love just like this is I mean, aside from a microphone right here, it just feels like we're we're hanging out. Yeah.
1:42:38I've known you guys for a year or two now, and I've known you for a while now. Two. Yeah.
1:42:43Over two years. And Thank you, Darius. Yeah.
1:42:45And it just feels like we're friends hanging out. Yeah. Yeah.
1:42:48And I love it too because you you texted us yesterday morning, and I was in Las Vegas
1:42:53getting ready to come back yesterday. And then I was supposed to leave this morning super early for Florida for golf, and I was just, like, on the fence, like, should I change my flight?
1:43:03And then the text came through that you're in town for two days. Do you guys want a podcast Sunday? I'm like, that probably makes the most sense.
1:43:11And then I waited five minutes, I'm like, okay, let's do this, and it worked out perfectly. Yeah. But before we wrap, I do wanna hear this next project you're you're
1:43:22doing. Yeah. We're I'm building a TV station basically inside of a building in Virginia, and it's going to be daily news as a daily news channel, except we're going to you know, like the schizophrenic where there's like the red thread that connects everything?
1:43:41Mhmm. We're in a non schizophrenic way, we're gonna show you how everything is actually connected, what's being used as a distraction.
1:43:49Every single piece of the news, every single day, all of the psyops and the manipulation that's happening throughout the media, throughout the global events, the geopolitics that are going on, and then what's being used as a distraction, who's gaining money from this This politician, you know, this thing happened over here, this politician went missing three days right before it happened.
1:44:11We're gonna try to go into like everything, and it's just fact based only. No opinion. No crazy theories or anything like that.
1:44:21We'll never take guidance or direction from any marketers or advertisers.
1:44:26We have an open records policy where our entire bank account will be open to the public, And we have a policy that an instant public policy that if any any correspondence or documentation ever asks us to change a narrative or modify something that we're saying, we make it public instantaneously.
1:44:45And that isn't like, even somebody says they have they're sending us a confidential email, it's on our terms of use. Like, if you email us, you agree that that's gonna be made public.
1:44:55Mhmm. So I've tried to make it transparent, but I I wanna make it in a way that's showing you the theater.
1:45:01Like, instead of just watching the news, you're like, you'll still get the news every day. We have a news desk, a news anchor, a research team, all that kind of stuff, but we'll also have like, here's the theater part of it.
1:45:13Like, I'm gonna open the back door of the Truman Show a little bit, so you get 10 x the amount that you'll get from any Fox, MSNBC
1:45:21kind You of know, that's so valuable because I remember having this conversation with my mother at the time when she was alive. So, like, the Gisela Maxwell trial is going on, but at the same time, they wheel out Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. So Giselaine Maxwell, that trial is closed, and Amber Heard and Johnny Depp are a public trial.
1:45:41Like, there you go. There's the red thread. Look over here.
1:45:44Never mind this, but look over here. It's very true.
1:45:49And having and having a like a reliable outlet,
1:45:52that's doing God's work, man. That's going be great. Well, what I love about it too is is I'm not up to date with a lot of things that are happening because I I don't I don't wanna get sucked into the theater.
1:46:04I don't know I know it's theater, so I don't even know, like, with the Iran war. I I really have no fucking idea what's going on because I I don't feel like I can believe anybody.
1:46:15And so the fact that you're doing this, I can finally get some facts on on what's happening. And then if I run across a clip on Instagram, which I will try not to even watch because, again, like I'm susceptible like everybody else did this, like pinging something, me putting these two pieces of the story together that it's funny.
1:46:37For a long time, I used to get all my news from like JP Sears. Mhmm.
1:46:42Because I'm like, he's breaking down the bullshit in it.
1:46:46And so I thought he was really great about that, and there are some other people on Tim Dillon's amazing. These days as well. Tim Dillon's amazing.
1:46:52Jason Sears just made two videos in a row about me. Oh, did he? They're really cool.
1:46:56Yeah. I met him at a party recently. He's gonna come on the podcast.
1:46:59He's a super cool dude. Yeah. He's a great I just met him at a little dinner party.
1:47:02He's Can you put us in touch? For sure. I'm sure he'd love to meet you.
1:47:06Yeah. He said he's been following my work for years. He's seen his fuck too.
1:47:08Like you shake his hand, and it's like it's iron. Like a little rock? Oh my god.
1:47:13Yeah. Damn. You'll love him.
1:47:15He's he's
1:47:16a great dude and he's been ever since 2020 happened, he just went full on into exposure.
1:47:24Yeah. He's doing he's doing very good work. Mhmm.
1:47:28I think the goal of this news channel is to feel like you just got a briefing from like a CIA mission planning executive. Like, it's an intelligence brief.
1:47:38Yeah. And and it will be like it's gonna look kinda like the news. Like, there's gonna be a pretty girl behind a desk and flashy shit up behind her on a screen and stuff, but it it will be it will follow the identical format of a CIA intelligence brief, except you will get that's how you can get your news in the morning now.
1:47:59That's so good. You're doing God's work.
1:48:03Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. So are you.
1:48:06That was great. And I I also one of the reasons I came down here is for more unlearned
1:48:11merch. You came to the right place, Okay.
1:48:14Let's go take care of into storage
1:48:16closet, you just go shopping. We'll get you a big old bag and yeah, awesome.
1:48:21Great to see you, man. Love you guys. Thank you all.
1:48:23Thank you, guys.
The Hook
The bait, then the rug-pull.
Chase Hughes opens cold with a thesis: every piece of news is theater. Inside ninety seconds the cut deck has stacked SIOP susceptibility, Plato's cave, quantum brains, five-to-ten seizures a day, and a methylene-blue-and-mushrooms cure — a hyper-dense supercut sizzle that promises a feature-length excavation of how stories run us, and then delivers exactly that for the next 107 minutes.
